How do you feel about the subreddit bans?

[Mao_Zedong]

I'm kinda disgusted by the fact that you know it's "just drawn images"

Like genuinely some things are just disgusting. 

Why is it so bad? If you're into anime, you pick some things up. I also do subreddit hopping, so I find all kinds of bad things, including some which have actually scarred me some.

 

If a policeman found pictures you'd drawn of kids' genitalia, you would be arrested right there and then.

Well it isn't illegal, so nobody could really get in trouble for it.

[Mug]

Not in the united......STATES.

Pretty sure child porn is something that you can get life for in the US.

[KirbyTech]

My opinion, and one that is shared by many others is that child porn is wrong.

Yeah anything is wrong if it harms someone, but if something does not harm anyone such as drawn images, then I see no issue no matter what it is. I see it as either they will look at drawn images or they will go find real child porn which did harm a child. Take your pick of which because they will get one no matter what the law and society says. So drawn images are bad yes but less bad than real images of children. Maybe you are for banning both and them just looking at both.

[kaylexmorgana]

Pretty sure child porn is something that you can get life for in the US.

Please tell me you are trolling.

[Mao_Zedong]

My opinion, and one that is shared by many others is that child porn is wrong.

Yes real CP is wrong, but many people don't see drawn images as CP. The only reason I object to CP is because it can scar the children for life.

 

Pretty sure child porn is something that you can get life for in the US.

If it's of real children, then yes. If it's drawn, then no.

[Mug]

Yeah anything is wrong if it harms someone, but if something does not harm anyone such as drawn images, then I see no issue no matter what it is. I see it as either they will look at drawn images or they will go find real child porn which did harm a child. Take your pick of which because they will get one no matter what the law and society says. So drawn images are bad yes but less bad than real images of children. Maybe you are for banning both and them just looking at both.

I reckon it would get the individuals in question arrested on suspicion and then sectioned.

[KirbyTech]

I reckon it would get the individuals in question arrested on suspicion and then sectioned.

Drawn images are legal, the laws are there to protect children not to police what kind of porn people can look at. You seem to be the only one here that says drawn images are illegal, as for the arrested on suspicion that would be illegal as they would have no lawful reason to arrest or detain you. 

[IAMSWIFT1]

As Long As They Don't Ban NSFW,I'm Happy,Don't Judge Me

[Mug]

Drawn images are legal, the laws are there to protect children not to police what kind of porn people can look at. You seem to be the only one here that says drawn images are illegal, as for the arrested on suspicion that would be illegal as they would have no lawful reason to arrest or detain you.

The reason why I'm protesting this isn't an alleged gap in the law but because it is morally and just fundamentally wrong to have or even look at these images or drawings or whatever, it's still looking at a child who is indecent which is why these people should be locked away and receive treatment. It is no secret that those who look at these images regularly are indeed paedophiles so it is probably the best thing to help them in some way before it escalates into something more sinister.

I am getting a bit heated here because I feel like you guys are sticking up for paedophiles which I feel is wrong. One of you guys even implied that it's okay to have child porn in your posession as long as it's not harming any children. This isn't okay. Like no.

[Mao_Zedong]

The reason why I'm protesting this isn't an alleged gap in the law but because it is morally and just fundamentally wrong to have or even look at these images or drawings or whatever, it's still looking at a child who is indecent which is why these people should be locked away and receive treatment. 

If you see it that way then ok, but I disagree. Do you also object to porn of incest, because that is just as morally wrong.

It is no secret that those who look at these images regularly are indeed paedophiles so it is probably the best thing to help them in some way before it escalates into something more sinister.

Umm... source? I completely disagree with this.

 

I am getting a bit heated here because I feel like you guys are sticking up for paedophiles which I feel is wrong.

I don't think they're paedophiles, as it's not real children. if they are also attracted to actual children (not all are FYI) then I do see a slight problem though.

 

One of you guys even implied that it's okay to have child porn in your posession as long as it's not harming any children. 

Yes, I do think that it is ok to have loli porn if it doesn't hurt anybody. I'm also perfectly fine with people doing drugs as long as it isn't a drain on society.

 

This isn't okay. Like no.

I disagree.

[KirbyTech]

The reason why I'm protesting this isn't an alleged gap in the law but because it is morally and just fundamentally wrong to have or even look at these images or drawings or whatever, it's still looking at a child who is indecent which is why these people should be locked away and receive treatment. It is no secret that those who look at these images regularly are indeed paedophiles so it is probably the best thing to help them in some way before it escalates into something more sinister.

I am getting a bit heated here because I feel like you guys are sticking up for paedophiles which I feel is wrong. One of you guys even implied that it's okay to have child porn in your posession as long as it's not harming any children. This isn't okay. Like no.

No one is sticking up for them, everyone is saying that something is not a horrid thing unless it harms a child. I am willing to bet everyone that has posted would be willing to say yes lock up/ treat a person who seeks out real child porn or harms a child in any way which relates to their sexual preferences/interests. 

 

Yes having drawn images of child is wrong but that does not make it something that we should ban.You brits seem to love banning things even if it harms no one. If a person looks at drawn images and that keeps them from seeking out real child porn or harming a child then go for it. I don't share their interest and I think acting on it is a harmful way is wrong who I to say no don't do that even though it keeps you content and no harming anyone. You really are very closed minded and literally have not listened or considered what a single person here has said you have a very closed minded person who can't handle others opinions/ the masses opinions. 

I don't think they're paedophiles, as it's not real children. if they are also attracted to actual children (not all are FYI) then I do see a slight problem though.

Even being attracted to them may be wrong but that does not mean we should do anything about it since if they are not acting on it, seeing real child porn or something else that harms a child we (society) has no reason to interfere as weird and wrong as we may think it is. It is not something that should be encouraged by any means but there has to be real ways of dealing with it other than shunning it until there is an issue then locking someone up and just not dealing with the issue. Much like teenage girls fighting, the issue is never solved. 

[Mug]

If you see it that way then ok, but I disagree. Do you also object to porn of incest, because that is just as morally wrong.

Umm... source? I completely disagree with this.

 

I don't think they're paedophiles, as it's not real children. if they are also attracted to actual children (not all are FYI) then I do see a slight problem though.

 

Yes, I do think that it is ok to have loli porn if it doesn't hurt anybody. I'm also perfectly fine with people doing drugs as long as it isn't a drain on society.

 

I disagree.

• Yes I do object to porn of incest, as you say, Incest is not okay
• Well, generally speaking, you are gonna have people who are by definition paedophiles (people that love children) watching child porn (and equivalents) as you are going to have homosexual people (people who love of the same sex) watching gay porn. I'm sorry, but if they watch and are excited by child porn then they are by definition a paedophile, in which case, help is needed. It is not okay by almost everyone's standards to be looking at this stuff.
• Why would they look at drawings of nude children if they were not attracted to them? Most people would not see this as okay. Most people take issue with it.
• I disagree with your 'A victimless crime' thing.
• I think we're going to have to agree to disagree.

[Mao_Zedong]

Well, generally speaking, you are gonna have people who are by definition paedophiles (people that love children) watching child porn (and equivalents) as you are going to have homosexual people (people who love of the same sex) watching gay porn. I'm sorry, but if they watch and are excited by child porn then they are by definition a paedophile, in which case, help is needed. It is not okay by almost everyone's standards to be looking at this stuff.

Why would they look at drawings of nude children if they were not attracted to them?

Just because they like drawn lolis doesn't mean they like actual children, so I would say no. Also, many women watch homo porn, so are they gay? No, they just like it as media.

 

 

 Most people would not see this as okay. Most people take issue with it.

Why is this a point? Just because most people think something is wrong doesn't mean that it is. 

 

I disagree with your 'A victimless crime' thing.

How? Nobody gets hurt, so there are no victims, making it victimless. 

 

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Probably yes.

[Mug]

No one is sticking up for them, everyone is saying that something is not a horrid thing unless it harms a child. I am willing to bet everyone that has posted would be willing to say yes lock up/ treat a person who seeks out real child porn or harms a child in any way which relates to their sexual preferences/interests. 

 

Yes having drawn images of child is wrong but that does not make it something that we should ban.You brits seem to love banning things even if it harms no one. If a person looks at drawn images and that keeps them from seeking out real child porn or harming a child then go for it. I don't share their interest and I think acting on it is a harmful way is wrong who I to say no don't do that even though it keeps you content and no harming anyone. You really are very closed minded and literally have not listened or considered what a single person here has said you have a very closed minded person who can't handle others opinions/ the masses opinions. 

Fundamentally, I think that free speech and freedom in general should have it's limits. This is where I draw the line personally and I don't hold it against you that you think that it's okay to do this. Again, I think there is such a thing as a victimless crime and child porn is one of those things that we shouldn't touch with a barge pole, there is I believe a fine line between this and child porn. Banning such things is within the public interest in my opinion and therefore we should be lauding Reddit for taking a stance against offensive content.

 

I also don't think accusing me of bigotry is fair because I do understand where you are coming from, just I take a hard stance on this issue. For some victimless crimes, I think it's okay but stuff like this... Nope.

[Misanthrope]

You could say that it's a business decision, but I fail to understand how anybody is supposed to make fucking money out of reddit. Looks like Reddit management has the same problem though

[Albatross]

I really dislike reddit but I actually like reading the subreddits that aren't trash, like the Linguistic/Conlang subs or the military and literature subs. So even if I dislike most of the site I find the bans incredibly distasteful.

 

I hope a knock-off reddit appears and is controlled by someone with a backbone and is willing to allow what this site does not. Freedom of speech is a beautiful thing, even if you don't like what is being said.

[Bhav]

Not my problem, Don't use reddit, never will. 

It is freedom of speech,  specific hate threads on certain people shouldn't be aloud, certain groups, yes. But specific people in general no.

I hate people who use 'aloud' instead of 'allowed'.

[Trik'Stari]

I've never liked Reddit. I don't like the layout. To me it's not a big deal because for every subreddit banned, there is probably an individual forum with a better layout that you could use.

[Art Vandelay]

Reddit's one of those companies that feels like they should police the internet, but do it with their agenda in mind.

 

IMO discussion of illegal activities should be fair game to ban, but banning fat people hate? really? The people on that board were terrible people, but what's banning the board going to do? They'll just go to an unbanned board and shit that place up. You have to ban the people and not the board.

 

 

I'm kinda disgusted by the fact that you know it's "just drawn images"
Like genuinely some things are just disgusting. If a policeman found pictures you'd drawn of kids' genitalia, you would be arrested right there and then.

No is hurt by the drawing, except maybe the viewer, but that's his problem.

An actual child is being exploited if it's not just a drawing.

It's not right to call them the same thing. One is drastically worse than the other.

 

 

Also lol