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R9 290 vs GTX 960?

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Just about every manufacturer of AMD cards require 750 watts.  Maybe those engineers don't know what they're talking about.

Many sports car requires tires rated to go over 150 mph.  But hey, if you can do your stuff with tires for a Prius... good for you.

They don't "require" 750 watts, they recommend 750 watts to cover their proverbial asses. They can't go off of the power draw of the card itself, they have to account for the draw of the entire system. They don't know if someone is using 2 hard drives or 12; a Pentium or a 9590, so they put a number that is well over what the card itself requires. The highest power draw I've seen documented for a 290X is about 330 watts, and that was an MSI Lightning that had the crap overclocked out of it. You're saying average Joe is going to have his 290X drawing that much power AND have a system using up another 420 watts? I'll say it again: Don't make me laugh.

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290 for sure, just dont get the reference or Asus variants, those coolers are not very effective at cooling the card.

And this whole 750W thing, I'm running an overclocked 290 on a 650W PSU and it doesn't draw that much more watts than my 760 rig.

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They don't "require" 750 watts, they recommend 750 watts to cover their proverbial asses. They can't go off of the power draw of the card itself, they have to account for the draw of the entire system. They don't know if someone is using 2 hard drives or 12; a Pentium or a 9590, so they put a number that is well over what the card itself requires. The highest power draw I've seen documented for a 290X is about 330 watts, and that was an MSI Lightning that had the crap overclocked out of it. You're saying average Joe is going to have his 290X drawing that much power AND have a system using up another 420 watts? I'll say it again: Don't make me laugh.

Of course.

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Of course.

....of course what?

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Of course he's a fanboy with his head so far up his ass he can hear the shit as it passed his ear and then calls whatever the shit told him "facts".

Wait, me or him?

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The fucktard saying that a 290 needs a bigilion watts to run.

Ah alright. And yes he's fanboying, but be wary of the language. Blood in the water means the mod sharks will be swimming nearby.

I don't care, but some people get bent out of shape over words on a screen.

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This is bullshit. You can run an R9 290 with a decent 550W PSU. Hell, you can find a cheap rosewill Capstone 550W unit for around $50 and it's a great PSU. Of course this depends on the rest of your system, but I can't imagine the other parts in a system using 300W+ of power.

 

 

 

The GTX 970 still draws a lot of power. The advertised TDP of the card is not what it actually draws, and the moment you overclock it it easily draws 220W+, which is very close to the R9 290.

 

MMhm I'm not so sure about this. I measured 500W power being drawn from a system that included two overclocked 970s and an overclocked 3960X. If what you are saying is true then the 3960X and the rest of my system is drawing about 60W, which is rather low.

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Ah alright. And yes he's fanboying, but be wary of the language. Blood in the water means the mod sharks will be swimming nearby.

I don't care, but some people get bent out of shape over words on a screen.

Yea I'm just having a shit day so I'm super pissed, lost my job and just taking no more shit from anyone.

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Yea I'm just having a shit day so I'm super pissed, lost my job and just taking no more shit from anyone.

I know the feeling bro. But don't get banned and tack that onto the list of things bad that happened. I enjoy your contributions for the most part, as do many others.

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MMhm I'm not so sure about this. I measured 500W power being drawn from a system that included two overclocked 970s and an overclocked 3960X. If what you are saying is true then the 3960X and the rest of my system is drawing about 60W, which is rather low.

you should get a bit better measurement tool.

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Yea I'm just having a shit day so I'm super pissed, lost my job and just taking no more shit from anyone.

You have issues dude.

You should pack a back pack, disconnect from the world and hike up a mountain for a week to unwind.

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you should get a bit better measurement tool.

 
The fanboy is strong with you. Is anything you have to say grounded in reality, or is the "Nvidia is shit" filter applied at the keyboard level?
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