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South Korea world’s fastest LTE 1.17Gbps

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Imagine all that going through your brain. Cool thing is we have no tests to see if it does anything

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I can say these things and for two reasons: Shannon's Theorem and the physical properties of radio waves. To explain the second part first basically there higher the wavelength the less range you can get out of it. It's why AM radio works all the way out into the bush and why 5Ghz WiFi struggles to go through a wall. It's the main reason why they let the public use 2.4 and 5Ghz in the first place. That's why I don't think WiFi counts because for it to work in Suburbia it'd virtually have to be installed ontop of people's houses. It can be done but what you're effectively saying is that mobile includes literally installing FTTN/FTTH and then putting an access point in people's houses. You can think that counts if you want, I don't think it counts.

 

Secondly there's Shannon's Theorem. Basically it says that there is a direct relationship to the amount of bits per second you can push through a media and the amount of Hz. Because there is only a certain amount of frequency that can be used for wireless there are limits to what it can handle. Even if we get to the point where we're using every single last drop of radio frequency we'll still fall short. Just to illustrate this point from 0-2Ghz is 2Ghz, which would be divided amongst every single person in your area. A fixed line technology like fibre generally isn't shared to the same degree and you get more frequency. They tend to use IR which goes from 300Ghz to around 400Thz or basically around 399Thz of frequency. 2Ghz vs 399700Ghz..... you can see why I'm saying one has serious limits to how far it can be pushed.

 

Or maybe you can't because politics and all that. Who knows.

 

Now your just saying stuff that isn't even relevant to my point.  You don't need to go into theoretical limits of any technology to know that the past statements have been proven wrong, and you can't use said same theorem to discount any future developments, we might know the limit for fibre optics but that doesn't mean further developments and new technology won't find ways around that limit.  Unless you have a crystal ball that is.  Also if you don't understand the implications of how lobbying specific information effects governmental outcomes then you should probably stop talking about it. This has nothing to do with political party preference.

 

 

Imagine all that going through your brain. Cool thing is we have no tests to see if it does anything

 

All that has been going through the brain for the last few decades and there has been no increase in abnormalities thus far.

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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Now your just saying stuff that isn't even relevant to my point.  You don't need to go into theoretical limits of any technology to know that the past statements have been proven wrong, and you can't use said same theorem to discount any future developments, we might know the limit for fibre optics but that doesn't mean further developments and new technology won't find ways around that limit.  Unless you have a crystal ball that is.  Also if you don't understand the implications of how lobbying specific information effects governmental outcomes then you should probably stop talking about it. This has nothing to do with political party preference.

 

 

 

All that has been going through the brain for the last few decades and there has been no increase in abnormalities thus far.

True, but data sizes and frequency ranges are increasing 

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Now your just saying stuff that isn't even relevant to my point.  You don't need to go into theoretical limits of any technology to know that the past statements have been proven wrong, and you can't use said same theorem to discount any future developments, we might know the limit for fibre optics but that doesn't mean further developments and new technology won't find ways around that limit.  Unless you have a crystal ball that is.  Also if you don't understand the implications of how lobbying specific information effects governmental outcomes then you should probably stop talking about it. This has nothing to do with political party preference.

You can't just hand-wave over physical limitations and say that technology will find a way. There are a limited number of Hz and there is a limit to how many b/s you can get out of those Hz. Look it up, we're talking about efficiencies in the range 0.5b/Hz to around 7b/Hz for wireless technologies. Maximum. So even if you somehow got everyone running at maximum efficiency all the time, full signal to everyone, and you could somehow free up the entire 2Ghz? You'd get 14Gbps. And only in the same sense that AC 1900 is "1.3Gbps" + "600Mbps". And also only if you shut off everything else that used radio waves. TV, Radio, GPS, satellite TV, Emergency, Military and so on. All of which would be shared with every single person who happens to be around you at that point in time. 

 

Compare that to fibre where 10Gbps is something that is actually being deployed in some areas already. Where speed records of actually working tech is measured in Tbps. I don't see how spelling this out for you is somehow not relevant. There is no way we can do all of the data transfers we want to be able to do using mobile tech. We'll hit that wall, there's no way we're going to be able to reach even 1Gbps reliably per-user even in a low population density country like Australia. We likely won't even get close to that with wireless. It just won't happen. 

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You can't just hand-wave over physical limitations and say that technology will find a way. There are a limited number of Hz and there is a limit to how many b/s you can get out of those Hz. Look it up, we're talking about efficiencies in the range 0.5b/Hz to around 7b/Hz for wireless technologies. Maximum. So even if you somehow got everyone running at maximum efficiency all the time, full signal to everyone, and you could somehow free up the entire 2Ghz? You'd get 14Gbps. And only in the same sense that AC 1900 is "1.3Gbps" + "600Mbps". And also only if you shut off everything else that used radio waves. TV, Radio, GPS, satellite TV, Emergency, Military and so on. All of which would be shared with every single person who happens to be around you at that point in time. 

 

Compare that to fibre where 10Gbps is something that is actually being deployed in some areas already. Where speed records of actually working tech is measured in Tbps. I don't see how spelling this out for you is somehow not relevant. There is no way we can do all of the data transfers we want to be able to do using mobile tech. We'll hit that wall, there's no way we're going to be able to reach even 1Gbps reliably per-user even in a low population density country like Australia. We likely won't even get close to that with wireless. It just won't happen.

 

Mate your clearly not reading what I am saying. I am not just waving aside the physics, I have not said wireless can exceed it's own physical limits and I certainly don't need it spelled out for me, you are arguing something completely irrelevant to my point.  Please, how did you come to the conclusion that talking about the physical limits of EM data transmission is relevent to current situation disproving previously made claims?

 

Just in case you missed what I said earlier:

 

We all know fibre to the home is better (will be for a long time) but that's not the point, the point is people are using short sighted and in many cases fallacious arguments. People where saying a few years ago that wireless would never work because population. Except that congestion is not the problem they made it out to be and SK is living proof. Speeds are increasing all the time. This is not the first time 10Gb/s has been considered in national broadband role out plans.

 

Note here, I foremost alay any confusion as to my understanding of what is the best technology, then I go on to point out that the congestion is not a problem as promoted by others, I did NOT say it was not a problem, nor did I say it does not happen, I said it was not the internet ending issue some people have  made it out to be.

 

I never once said it would be the best option, I did say that it shouldn't be dismissed on assumptions. Which is what nearly everyone seems to do.

We don't know if it is economical, a good option, feasible or even necessary or not because we have loud mouth lobby groups convincing everyone that it is a dead end technology before it is even looked at.

 

Here again I point out that I don't agree that it is or will be the singular best option, I also go on to we don;t know about how economical, feasable or even necessary it actually is.  But please feel free to just ignore all that and continue telling me about physical limitations and how I am wrong because none of what I am saying has anything to do with the physical limitations of wireless technology, Which you might have understood from the beginning if you had of read my posts rather than whatever it is you did that lead you to some really pointless accusations.

 

You need to actually address what I am saying and not make assumptions about my intentions or desires.

 

And for what it's worth I probably have a better understanding of EM signal transmission than most given I studied EE for a few years.

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Well to quote what you originally said and what I've continued to hold you to: 

 

And to think people where trying to dismiss wireless as an alternative to broadband because of BS excuses like network congestion and basic narrow minded views of future advancements. South Korea currently have what? 20Million people on mobile internet?

 

All I'm saying is that it's not an alternative to copper and fibre based connections. I am dismissing it as an alternative to those technologies because of "BS excuses" like network congestion. All I was doing when I was showing "irrelevant facts" was pointing out how it couldn't possibly be an alternative. It can supplement it for sure, the fact that you don't have to be within ~10m of it with your phone/tablet is a big advantage, but it's not an alternative. Because of the physics of it.

 

If you want to now retract your position to the point where you're agreeing with me? Then that's more than fine. I'm more than happy to pretend that you've convinced me that mobile is going to be part of the mix and new developments will come about. Even though I never disagreed with that. As long as you do agree that it's not even remotely close to being a viable alternative and that network congestion isn't a "BS excuse". Because that's the bit I took issue with.

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Well to quote what you originally said and what I've continued to hold you to: 

 

 

All I'm saying is that it's not an alternative to copper and fibre based connections. I am dismissing it as an alternative to those technologies because of "BS excuses" like network congestion. All I was doing when I was showing "irrelevant facts" was pointing out how it couldn't possibly be an alternative. It can supplement it for sure, the fact that you don't have to be within ~10m of it with your phone/tablet is a big advantage, but it's not an alternative. Because of the physics of it.

 

If you want to now retract your position to the point where you're agreeing with me? Then that's more than fine. I'm more than happy to pretend that you've convinced me that mobile is going to be part of the mix and new developments will come about. Even though I never disagreed with that. As long as you do agree that it's not even remotely close to being a viable alternative and that network congestion isn't a "BS excuse". Because that's the bit I took issue with.

Way to only read half the post.

 

It is an alternate to some people.  What is it with this all or nothing thinking? There are an awful lot of grey areas and on top of that I was addressing other comments (which I have since qualified, not that you seem to care), I did not present wireless as an all encompassing "instead of" prospect. So no, I will not retract anything I have said.

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It is an alternate to some people.  What is it with this all or nothing thinking? There are an awful lot of grey areas and on top of that I was addressing other comments (which I have since qualified, not that you seem to care), I did not present wireless as an all encompassing "instead of" prospect. So no, I will not retract anything I have said.

Some individuals do choose to use it as an alternative but we were both talking about it on a much grander scale. So it's only fair to assume that we were both talking about the feasibility of using mobile as an alternative to how current fixed line networks are being used. For the network as a whole. i.e. something around 90% of traffic, the vast majority of home use and streaming services like Netflix etc. If you agree that it isn't an alternative on that scale then we don't disagree at all. We can both walk away agreeing with each other while muttering under our breaths that the other dude was unclear.

 

If that's what you meant all along, that some individuals may use it, then I misunderstood. And you repeatedly complaining about lobbying against mobile? Kinda made it clear you were unimpressed with the balance of investment in this country. Despite the fact that we have the best performing mobile network in the world. But still, if that wasn't what you meant and I misread you? If you want me to retract and say I was wrong about that? Then ok. I was wrong. ;)

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Some individuals do choose to use it as an alternative but we were both talking about it on a much grander scale. So it's only fair to assume that we were both talking about the feasibility of using mobile as an alternative to how current fixed line networks are being used. For the network as a whole. i.e. something around 90% of traffic, the vast majority of home use and streaming services like Netflix etc. If you agree that it isn't an alternative on that scale then we don't disagree at all. We can both walk away agreeing with each other while muttering under our breaths that the other dude was unclear.

 

If that's what you meant all along, that some individuals may use it, then I misunderstood. And you repeatedly complaining about lobbying against mobile? Kinda made it clear you were unimpressed with the balance of investment in this country. Despite the fact that we have the best performing mobile network in the world. But still, if that wasn't what you meant and I misread you? If you want me to retract and say I was wrong about that? Then ok. I was wrong. ;)

 

I don't want you to say you where wrong, I want you to understand what I mean.

 

 

I don't have an issue with spending/investment so much as the direction government takes and the reason for it. All governments are concerned about getting voted in, so they typically spend more time doing what will win votes (following public opinion) which isn't always in the best interests of the country.  Consider things like nuclear and thorium based nuclear power, fluoride in water just to name a couple, yes they are controversial but you can see how public opinion can be easily swayed against something that might actually be good.   So I rather despise lobby groups (regardless what they represent).   I want pure unadulterated information to base my opinions on and in order to decide who I am going to vote for. I don't want funded organizations telling everyone that Vaccines cause autism and to vote a particular way at the election if you want to save baby whales or that Government party X is personally responsible for house fires.  Give people the truth and let them make an informed decision.

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Not that it matters but I don't disagree with a single thing you said. The "Vaccines cause autism" bit in particular given I have a Niece that has Autism. The recent bit railing against wind farms I'd say is definitely in the same boat. A lot of pandering with little basis in fact. I just don't think that the whole broadband debate it as at all in the same boat. I don't have a problem with the government, of both colours at this point, pushing fixed line investment over mobile. Purely because of the fact that we're doing well with mobile and there's a LOT that could be done for fixed. And as a nation we kinda lean far more heavily on fixed.

 

The facts for Australia (and I'd assume it's similar for the US, UK, Canada, NZ) are:

- Ranked 61st for Broadband @ 75% of the global average speed, 14% of the world leader

- Ranked 12th for mobile @ 185% of (i.e. almost double) the global average speed, 72% of the world leader

- As of the end of last year? 93% of traffic in Australia was over fixed line networks

- You can get far more data through a fixed line network, because of the physics

 

So I reckon the gov's of both colours are onto something. We're behind in fixed line networks, we use them more and there's a lot more that can be done. How we get it and what form it takes, that's the political argument. But the main thrust of it is as clear as day and I don't think there's any discussion to be had.

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True, but data sizes and frequency ranges are increasing 

 

Sorry forgot to get back to this,  Research in the effects of EM radiation on the human body is quite thorough.  That's how we know at what point (UV light) the wavelengths become dangerous. You may not be aware but there is a good chance you have been bombarded with EM radiation at most frequencies upto 40Ghz  since birth, especially if you live near a naval base or airport.  We have satellite signals constantly bombarding the ground (everywhere), Radar from ships and ground control and Doppler radar for weather in nearly every major city. Radio and tv stations, emergency police and ambulance 2 way radio,  several Mobile carrier wavelengths and now wifi in just about every single public building.

 

I am pretty sure I have forgotten quite a lot,  but as you can see, by the time a wave length gets to the point of it being dangerous (below 400nM) it is typically too small to use for data transmission via free air propagation.  

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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Sorry forgot to get back to this,  Research in the effects of EM radiation on the human body is quite thorough.  That's how we know at what point (UV light) the wavelengths become dangerous. You may not be aware but there is a good chance you have been bombarded with EM radiation at most frequencies upto 40Ghz  since birth, especially if you live near a naval base or airport.  We have satellite signals constantly bombarding the ground (everywhere), Radar from ships and ground control and Doppler radar for weather in nearly every major city. Radio and tv stations, emergency police and ambulance 2 way radio,  several Mobile carrier wavelengths and now wifi in just about every single public building.

 

I am pretty sure I have forgotten quite a lot,  but as you can see, by the time a wave length gets to the point of it being dangerous (below 400nM) it is typically too small to use for data transmission via free air propagation.  

Yeah I guess gama rays going through our DNA is more scary then a cell phone tower

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Yeah I guess gama rays going through our DNA is more scary then a cell phone tower

unless you're bruce banner :lol:

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Because 3ms ping on Starcraft II wasn't low enough.

Kidding. LTE wouldn't be used for professional gaming, so please don't reply-shank me.

Idk man...them Koreans and their StarCraft :D

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tfw you can get 100 Mb/s fixed and Koreans have over 10x faster LTE.

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