Microsoft is begging for mercy... :D

[WhiteSkyMage]

Looks like Microsoft is begging for mercy, saying that VR is not now ready for use, and they got the reason to - No VR headset for the Xbox one and Xbox one will not have the power to drive any other VR headset. That's really what i wanted to see... I wonder how are they going to bring PC gamers and Xbox1 gamers together as a community (with that Xbox app), when next year, with Oculus Rift and presumably Valve's VR headset makes a gap between PC gamers and Console guys.

Microsoft should just surrender. Stop with that outdated crappy hardware that can't run even 1080p. It's 2015 already! Why are people investing in such crap?!

Well, the PC Master race gamers will be the ones next year to have what they paid for, and you smoking console gamers will stay in the previous century together with Microsoft and Sony!

http://www.kitguru.net/peripherals/monitors/anton-shilov/microsoft-xbox-chief-vr-is-not-a-now-thing/

Mr. Spencer should just go shoot himself. What he is saying is what makes people going angry at him, cuz he is just another console fanboy! Microsoft must be sued for inventing such thing as Xbox one, not saying Sony is not.

[C0LL0SS0S]

Actually even PCs struggle with VR atm so no wonder that Consoles won`t be able to drive it ^^

[VioDuskar]

i couldn't care less about VR to a console.

VR on PC though, we're got the power.

 

i want to see augmented reality with hololense.

[Dzzope]

VR is as gimmicky as 3d. Not saying it always will be but for now, unless your a dev / reviewer.. Just don't

[WhiteSkyMage]

Actually even PCs struggle with VR atm so no wonder that Consoles won`t be able to drive it ^^

Next year PCs will be fine... You will drive Oculus with only 1 gpu, but the consoles will a looong time to get such compute power. The VR headsets coming next year or the end of this year will be direct hit to Microsoft's attempt to combine PC gamers with their Xbox one community.

[C0LL0SS0S]

Next year PCs will be fine... You will drive Oculus with only 1 gpu, but the consoles will a looong time to get such compute power. The VR headsets coming next year or the end of this year will be direct hit to Microsoft's attempt to combine PC gamers with their Xbox one community.

Can't imagine that next years GPUs will be able to drive 4K at 144FPS stable, but I hope so.

[ManIkWeet]

DirectX12 might actually make a huge difference for VR on the PC...

[Misanthrope]

I'm surprised they don't just push streaming for VR, we were told the cloud would be able to help them out of exactly this kind of shortcomings. 

[Manny Calavera]

Actually even PCs struggle with VR atm so no wonder that Consoles won`t be able to drive it ^^

a pc for 600 bucks with about twice graphical horsepower than PS4 can drive 1440p, i dont know what you on about m8

[HeathCliff]

Microsoft VR: 792p with that buttery smooth 24fps.

[C0LL0SS0S]

a pc for 600 bucks with about twice graphical horsepower than PS4 can drive 1440p, i dont know what you on about m8

m8 for VR you need more than 1440p at 144FPS, show me how you can get that stable with a 800$ PC. Keep in mind 144FPS STABLE

[AlexGoesHigh]

they probably don't care for VR because they are going to push a 3D AR headset called hololense, i'm sure that's why, also what the hell does VR has to do with putting xbox stuff on PC, wut?

[Manny Calavera]

m8 for VR you need more than 1440p at 144FPS, show me how you can get that stable with a 800$ PC. Keep in mind 144FPS STABLE

144hz ? i thought they gonna have 90 fps and higher than 1080p panel.

 

jeez... those requirements doe... i guess you will need crossfire 290`s minimum for real just to play in VR

 

what is Valve VR resolution and hz?

[C0LL0SS0S]

144hz ? i thought they gonna have 90 fps and higher than 1080p panel.

 

jeez... those requirements doe... i guess you will need crossfire 290`s minimum for real just to play in VR

ATM they have 1440p maybe even with 90hz but they still say that its not the best they could do.

[HippY]

So people are surprised that a cheap £250-£300 console is not as powerful as a PC that usually "uses a high end GPU" to render games ( if I remember well, Ocolus rift used 1 high end GPU, it might have been the R9 390/x)?

 

Of course it is not.

If you want to play VR GAMES (= live render) then you would need the hardware to run it that cost money. That is a different question how casual friendly VR will be at first years

I bet 99.99% of the  Xbox users will not even notice it

 

And can we overcome the thing that Computer games are the middle of the universe?

You were talking about this difference like it would actually change the whole life of a person.

[Grrizz]

To be fair they are right, VR ATM is a cool experience but that's all it is. Most traditional games aren't great in VR, its no good for competitive gaming and while you can have relaxing experiences in it I would say in general its not a relaxing way of playing games.

Its a really cool tech and I'm hyped for it but its going to go through some growing pains, someone needs to figure out the game style that really makes VR, cockpit games are the best ATM IMO but I still think there could be better, at the very least there is a real need for input devices that feel natural in VR (whilst being accurate).

Personally I think we are still years away from VR being a really great experience, for the time being its a "WOW that was cool now let me go back to my monitor" experience.

Its also worth noting that some of the best experiences in VR at the moment don't actually need a lot of processing power

 

 

I'm surprised they don't just push streaming for VR, we were told the cloud would be able to help them out of exactly this kind of shortcomings.

Latency is a HUGE problem in VR

[Tycho]

VR is as gimmicky as 3d. Not saying it always will be but for now, unless your a dev / reviewer.. Just don't

I don't think you've ever tried it, you'll change your mind.

[WhiteSkyMage]

m8 for VR you need more than 1440p at 144FPS, show me how you can get that stable with a 800$ PC. Keep in mind 144FPS STABLE

You need next year's flagship for this...which presumably costs a 600-700$. Maybe for $1000 you can. Remember that Nvidia will use 16nm node with new architecture Pascal + HBM 2nd Gen. I do't think it will be 2 times stronger than titan x, but 50% stronger is enough to make it for 120Hz (remember the CV1 was first said to be 90Hz but let's say they do it 120Hz since they moved the roadmap).

[C0LL0SS0S]

You need next year's flagship for this...which presumably costs a 600-700$. Maybe for $1000 you can. Remember that Nvidia will use 16nm node with new architecture Pascal + HBM 2nd Gen. I do't think it will be 2 times stronger than titan x, but 50% stronger is enough to make it for 120Hz (remember the CV1 was first said to be 90Hz but let's say they do it 120Hz since they moved the roadmap).

Yeah hope so but even then 1000$ is really much if you think about it

[tsk]

Mr. Spencer should just go shoot himself.

Well that's one way to put it, but considering all the stupid sh*the that comes out of that mans mouth I'm inclined to agree.

[Sauron]

I'm surprised they don't just push streaming for VR, we were told the cloud would be able to help them out of exactly this kind of shortcomings. 

 

imagine what the latency would do to you when it's right in your face

[HippY]

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exactly, it is a brand new technology, people must understand it first then use it. I can assure you that whereas most of the consumers have seen a monitor before, they have not seen a VR headset, let alone use it. 

 

Yeah hope so but even then 1000$ is really much if you think about it

especially considering that if you buy a 4K display, (£400 ish) and gpu/gpus that can render well (£600 ish or more) you still need to buy the extra VR unit, that will be aroun £250.. certainly it is expensive for most of the people just to blow money on 

[Trik'Stari]

So people are surprised that a cheap £250-£300 console is not as powerful as a PC that usually "uses a high end GPU" to render games ( if I remember well, Ocolus rift used 1 high end GPU, it might have been the R9 390/x)?

 

Of course it is not.

If you want to play VR GAMES (= live render) then you would need the hardware to run it that cost money. That is a different question how casual friendly VR will be at first years

I bet 99.99% of the  Xbox users will not even notice it

 

And can we overcome the thing that Computer games are the middle of the universe?

You were talking about this difference like it would actually change the whole life of a person.

The bigger problem is that they want to "bring us together"......by forcing us to buy a console. Essentially.

 

No, we don't want to stream games from that shit box, to a PC. It makes little to no sense to do so. Just give us the goddamned exclusives already.

[Misanthrope]

imagine what the latency would do to you when it's right in your face

 

That's what I thought in general but Microsoft was very insisting on lying talking about it when they were promoting the xbone

[Misanthrope]

The bigger problem is that they want to "bring us together"......by forcing us to buy a console. Essentially.

 

No, we don't want to stream games from that shit box, to a PC. It makes little to no sense to do so. Just give us the goddamned exclusives already.

 

This is the most important point: Yes I know that there could be legit cases for the usefulness but Microsoft is trying to sell this to PC gamers who obviously have much stronger machines already. Everybody else making points in favor of this fucking nonsense need to communicate those to Microsoft directly so they can shift focus and promote the feature properly "Too broke for gaming? Your next door roomie has an xbone? Now you can stream his xbone games to your barely working laptop!"