Pentium G3258 or AMD FX 6300... Runs away...

[Dabombinable]

twisting the numbers...what if you factor in a proper motherboard for the FX-6300 AND a proper CPU cooling solution for it?! Wouldnt this be as expensive or even more expensive than a core i3-4150 and a cheap H series motherboard? or an i5-4440?

Probably, I personally wouldn't use anything above an i5 4440/4460 in a rig that's around the $1000 mark. An i3 I'd use in anything below the $800-850 mark.

[D3MON]

twisting the numbers...what if you factor in a proper motherboard for the FX-6300 AND a proper CPU cooling solution for it?! Wouldnt this be as expensive or even more expensive than a core i3-4150 and a cheap H series motherboard? or an i5-4440?

not if you factor in a propper board and propper cooling for intel, you can run the fx6 on a cheap 760g chipset board on teh stock heatsink, though i personally prefer a £70 board for extra features, those extra features (as in the 970 gaming) cant be had for the same price, i could of had a cheap h87 board for my pentium k i still got a z87 msi gaming itx because (it was a steal! and) it often doesnt cost more for things you might need later.

in the interest of fairness show me a cpu+board combo that totals no more than £150/$200, can match the fx6300 in rendering and streaming and has sli and crossfire support and high-end onboard audio (i know high end onboard is an oxymoron but its still going to better than basic like this....

and the cpu CAN NOT be matched or beaten by an overclocked pentiumK and could be upgraded to an overclocked 4690k later.

[D3MON]

what is with my net double posting lately

[Dabombinable]

not if you factor in a propper board and propper cooling for intel, you can run the fx6 on a cheap 760g chipset board on teh stock heatsink, though i personally prefer a £70 board for extra features, those extra features (as in the 970 gaming) cant be had for the same price, i could of had a cheap h87 board for my pentium k i still got a z87 msi gaming itx because (it was a steal! and) it often doesnt cost more for things you might need later.

in the interest of fairness show me a cpu+board combo that totals no more than £150/$200, can match the fx6300 in rendering and streaming and has sli and crossfire support and high-end onboard audio (i know high end onboard is an oxymoron but its still going to better than basic 5.1 like this....

and the cpu CAN NOT be matched or beaten by an overclocked pentiumK.

Come on, don't dis that audio setup, its been around since 1995 at least.

[D3MON]

Come on, don't dis that audio setup, its been around since 1995 at least.

true true..

also i forgot to mention the 4440 itself costs pretty much the same as an fx6300 and 760g board together and more than my fx8.

[Dabombinable]

true true..

also i forgot to mention the 4440 itself costs pretty much the same as an fx6300 and 760g board together and more than my fx8.

Here in Australia, AMD CPU's are about the same price as the Intel equivalent with about the same performance - needless to say only the unwary who get sucked in by 5GHz and "8 cores" buy the FX 9590 over the i5 4460.

[i_build_nanosuits]

snip!

you're full of it!! enough now you won't run an FX-6300 on a cheap 760g board you need at least a good 970 socket board with a 6+2 power phase design on there to allow overclocking and get ''somewhat'' reasonable performance for your money AND you also need proper CPU cooling for that, where as the intel setup can run perfectly fine even on the cheap ass H81 boards out there and for something like the i5-4440 or i5-4460 the boxed heatsink is PERFECTLY adequate to use and will keep the cpu way cool enough and if installed in a proper vented case will not even be loud under load. And yes this i5-4440 slap bitch an overclocked FX-6300 at EVERYTHING including editing, modeling, rendering AND gaming.

TLDR:

THIS:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($173.95 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-GAMING 3 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($55.99 @ Amazon)

Total: $229.94

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-01 09:46 EDT-0400

SLAP BITCH THE HELL OUT OF THIS AT EVERYTHING:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($109.98 @ OutletPC)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.75 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($84.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Total: $224.72

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-01 09:45 EDT-0400

[Dabombinable]

you're full of it!! enough now you won't run an FX-6300 on a cheap 760g board you need at least a good 970 socket board with a 6+2 power phase design on there to allow overclocking and get ''somewhat'' reasonable performance for your money AND you also need proper CPU cooling for that, where as the intel setup can run perfectly fine even on the cheap ass H81 boards out there and for something like the i5-4440 or i5-4460 the boxed heatsink is PERFECTLY adequate to use and will keep the cpu way cool enough and if installed in a proper vented case will not even be loud under load. And yes this i5-4440 slap bitch an overclocked FX-6300 at EVERYTHING including editing, modeling, rendering AND gaming.

TLDR:

THIS:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($173.95 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-GAMING 3 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($55.99 @ Amazon)

Total: $229.94

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-01 09:46 EDT-0400

SLAP BITCH THE HELL OUT OF THIS AT EVERYTHING:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($109.98 @ OutletPC)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.75 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($84.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Total: $224.72

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-01 09:45 EDT-0400

This is actually why I myself don't have a reason to buy an FX CPU:

http://www.computeralliance.com.au/parts/cpus

http://www.computeralliance.com.au/parts/motherboards

 

Right from the start its cheaper to buy any Intel CPU over the AMD equivalent as the cheapest AM3+ board is $105, and s1150 boards are so much cheaper. Plus the inline pricing of the CPU's themselves....

[D3MON]

you're full of it!! enough now you won't run an FX-6300 on a cheap 760g board you need at least a good 970 socket board with a 6+2 power phase design on there to allow overclocking and get ''somewhat'' reasonable performance for your money AND you also need proper CPU cooling for that, where as the intel setup can run perfectly fine even on the cheap ass H81 boards out there and for something like the i5-4440 or i5-4460 the boxed heatsink is PERFECTLY adequate to use and will keep the cpu way cool enough and if installed in a proper vented case will not even be loud under load. And yes this i5-4440 slap bitch an overclocked FX-6300 at EVERYTHING including editing, modeling, rendering AND gaming.

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try comparing equivalant builds next time, you can run the fx6 on the stock heatsink and not hit 80*c like you do with intel. linus proved that the amd heatsinks are much better than the intel excuses

i have run fx8120's and 8320's with a mild overclock to 3.5ghz (stock volts) in several m5a78l-m/usb3 boards and while i dont recommend it its will work fine without throttling (again, tested myself) so an fx6 isnt a problem but you dont know this obviously as £50 says you've never done it.

you cant have sli/crossfire, 32gb of ram, 6 sata3 ports etc on that pos intel board, nessesary? no, but its hardly an enthusiasts platform without features like that otherwise the user might aswell buy a prebuilt with a celeron (which if you're talking cheap makes sense). i like the 4440 as a cpu but your comparing it to a chip thats half the price. so who's full of it?

how about you do as i said and compare like for like? show me an msi gaming board that will run a 4790k at 4.7ghz safely should the user want to upgrade later. and again UNDER $200 with sli/cf 6x sata3 ports and decent onboard.

edit

for light gaming(being a bit of an msi fanboy but couldnt find my z87i gaming board  )

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kG4cGX

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kG4cGX/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard: MSI B85M GAMING Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Total: $144.98

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-02 16:39 EDT-0400

 

competition

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/s4zJt6

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/s4zJt6/by_merchant/

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($104.95 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard: MSI H97 GAMING 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($105.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Total: $210.94

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-02 16:40 EDT-0400

for editing-$14 more expensive

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/g9R623

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/g9R623/by_merchant/

 

CPU: AMD FX-8320E 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor  ($133.99 @ NCIX US) 

Motherboard: MSI 970 GAMING ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($90.98 @ Newegg) 

Total: $224.97

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-02 16:34 EDT-0400

for AAA gaming-$25 cheaper, nice pick of the more expensive OEM chip by the way fanboy!

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jFgxRB

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jFgxRB/by_merchant/

 

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  ($93.95 @ SuperBiiz) 

Motherboard: MSI 970 GAMING ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($90.98 @ Newegg) 

Total: $184.93

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-02 16:36 EDT-0400

[i_build_nanosuits]

snip!

just so you know, THIS is a stock FX-6300 heatsink and fan assembly:

 

AMD heatsinks are indeed bigger and better BECAUSE THEY NEED TO the AMD chips are bigger and throw massive amount of heat out...they NEED them big heatsinks...and you should know by now having almost 2500 post in here that CPU CORE TEMPS are IRRELEVANT to the AMOUT OF HEAT that a CPU GENERATE...intel temp probes are WITHIN the CPU cores while AMD has them somehwere under the ISH far and away from the CPU die somewhere...if you could know the real temps within the cores of your beloved FX POS i think you would be very surprised.

[ApolloX75]

just so you know, THIS is a stock FX-6300 heatsink and fan assembly:

 

-pic snip-

 

AMD heatsinks are indeed bigger and better BECAUSE THEY NEED TO the AMD chips are bigger and throw massive amount of heat out...they NEED them big heatsinks...and you should know by now having almost 2500 post in here that CPU CORE TEMPS are IRRELEVANT to the AMOUT OF HEAT that a CPU GENERATE...intel temp probes are WITHIN the CPU cores while AMD has them somehwere under the ISH far and away from the CPU die somewhere...if you could know the real temps within the cores of your beloved FX POS i think you would be very surprised.

Having just finished fixing an FX 6300 media pc build that my dad foolishly built/butchered, I can vouch for how completely and utterly shit the stock cooler is for the 6300. That thing was howling at 7000RPM and the system was doing light file transfers. That's it.

Had to slap a Rajintek low profile cooler on it to keep it cool.

 

In Canada, an FX 6300 isn't much cheaper than a good i3, and H81 motherboards are about on par with the craptastic 970 boards. There's no real excuse to keep buying into the AM3+ platform. Want AMD? Buy an APU. Want good performance and a non-space-heater-esque system? Buy an Intel. As a former AMD fanboy (I love me some Clawhammer) it pains me to say it, but fanboyism doesn't do anyone any good. Ever.

 

Apparently when I said "Buy an AMD APU for your cheap ass media pc idea." he heard "buy the AMD setup the guy in the store recommends so your cheap ass media pc becomes an expensive overheating brick."

[D3MON]

just so you know, THIS is a stock FX-6300 heatsink and fan assembly:

 

AMD heatsinks are indeed bigger and better BECAUSE THEY NEED TO the AMD chips are bigger and throw massive amount of heat out...they NEED them big heatsinks...and you should know by now having almost 2500 post in here that CPU CORE TEMPS are IRRELEVANT to the AMOUT OF HEAT that a CPU GENERATE...intel temp probes are WITHIN the CPU cores while AMD has them somehwere under the ISH far and away from the CPU die somewhere...if you could know the real temps within the cores of your beloved FX POS i think you would be very surprised.

mature...

id rather have higher thermal output (like 95w tdp over 65w tdp) over higher core temps as thats what kills cpu's and the thermal sensor is part of the die for amd not "somewhere under the IHS" so temps will be within a .1 degree of the cpu core temp.

otherwise its like saying your cars engine temp isnt true because the sensor is located in the thermostat housing (and sometimes cylinder head), while technically true it bears no relavence.

my only complaint about amd is that most motherboards apply way too much voltage in auto, sure you can overclock like hell on stock volts but you can easily drop .15-.2v on most chips without even declocking, this is one reason amd has higher tdp's, the fx8 series went from 125w to 95w over night just by reducing voltage (they reduced some clocks but they can run the same clocks still)

oc3d gave the fx8320e the value for money award this last january 2 years after the chip came out, lets see a 2500k do that. just sayin'.

 

[Dabombinable]

Having just finished fixing an FX 6300 media pc build that my dad foolishly built/butchered, I can vouch for how completely and utterly shit the stock cooler is for the 6300. That thing was howling at 7000RPM and the system was doing light file transfers. That's it.

Had to slap a Rajintek low profile cooler on it to keep it cool.

 

In Canada, an FX 6300 isn't much cheaper than a good i3, and H81 motherboards are about on par with the craptastic 970 boards. There's no real excuse to keep buying into the AM3+ platform. Want AMD? Buy an APU. Want good performance and a non-space-heater-esque system? Buy an Intel. As a former AMD fanboy (I love me some Clawhammer) it pains me to say it, but fanboyism doesn't do anyone any good. Ever.

 

Apparently when I said "Buy an AMD APU for your cheap ass media pc idea." he heard "buy the AMD setup the guy in the store recommends so your cheap ass media pc becomes an expensive overheating brick."

Over here the cheapest AM3+ board, which won't overclock an FX 8350 well if at all, is $105. The cheapest s1150 boards are around $70, combine that with the fact that an i5 4460 is only $1 more expensive than an FX 9590, its easy to see what's the best choice (i3=FX8350 in price)

[Dabombinable]

mature...

id rather have higher thermal output (like 95w tdp over 65w tdp) over higher core temps as thats what kills cpu's and the thermal sensor is part of the die for amd not "somewhere under the IHS" so temps will be within a .1 degree of the cpu core temp.

otherwise its like saying your cars engine temp isnt true because the sensor is located in the thermostat housing (and sometimes cylinder head), while technically true it bears no relavence.

my only complaint about amd is that most motherboards apply way too much voltage in auto, sure you can overclock like hell on stock volts but you can easily drop .15-.2v on most chips without even declocking, this is one reason amd has higher tdp's, the fx8 series went from 125w to 95w over night just by reducing voltage (they reduced some clocks but they can run the same clocks still)

oc3d gave the fx8320e the value for money award this last january 2 years after the chip came out, lets see a 2500k do that. just sayin'.

 

AMD is still producing CPUs which is why they can get awards. The 2500k is no longer in production so you would need to compare the FX 8320e to an Haswell i3, which is about the same performance as an FX 8350 with only 2 true cores, 4 threads and a significantly lower power draw.

[Briggsy]

I do not care what anyone says, 2 cores is NOT enough for AAA gaming. Get the Pentium K if you are willing to upgrade to a 4460 + later on in the future.

If not, the FX 6300 is a better choice.

 

my post would just be a repeat of this, so quoting instead.