Was Linus wrong? Or Carey Holzman wrong?

[T345]

Anti-static mythbuster

I thought from Linus the outside of the anti-static bag was conductive?

 

[brownninja97]

Holzman has been been in the business way longer then linus has and hehas built way more computers then linus has period. Anyways as Holzman hasnt had problems with using the anti static bag i think we should trust him. I dont see how a bag made out of the same material can be conductive on one side and non conductive on the other side. If you dont trust it then put the motherboard on the the box it came in.

[TheCanadianGamer16]

Holzman has been been in the business way longer then linus has and hehas built way more computers then linus has period. Anyways as Holzman hasnt had problems with using the anti static bag i think we should trust him. I dont see how a bag made out of the same material can be conductive on one side and non conductive on the other side. If you dont trust it then put the motherboard on the the box it came in.

it has a thin coating of conductive material on the outside of the plastic, shielding the components inside from any form of electric shock passing through the bag...

[FloRolf]

I think there isnt anything wrong with the outside of the bag but you could also just lay it on the mobo box and you are good anyway.

[bartekxx12]

 I dont see how a bag made out of the same material can be conductive on one side and non conductive on the other side.

 

Actually... I believe it's conductive on both sides, that's why it's anti-STATIC. I believe what that does is distributes the charges evenly across the bag so that there isn't a build up in any one spot. What he is doing IS dangerous and whether what's shown in the video will work or not is just luck, it might do nothing 19/20 times but I am not willing to be the 20/20 :P 

[bradscoolio]

Seems legit... not really :/

[bartekxx12]

So it appears that I was slightly incorrect with how it works - "it's a rule in physics that when you have a conductor that completely surrounds something and that conductor has a charge, the inside of the conductor has 0 charge in it."

[joelthezombie15]

Either way, im just gonna not do it, just to be safe :D

[ExDreamer]

So it appears that I was slightly incorrect with how it works - "it's a rule in physics that when you have a conductor that completely surrounds something and that conductor has a charge, the inside of the conductor has 0 charge in it."

Yeah,like that chain mail suit and metal cage that peoples use when using tesla coil

[orangecat]

I wouldn't put my motherboard on the outside anyways just to be safe.

[tacticalpanic]

Theres a layer of plastic over the metal shielding so the surfice isint conductive enough to short out a board unless the bag is damaged , the only way you could short out the board possibly is if the bag was damaged and it had punctured right through.  I honestly wouldint  worry about it

[Arshdeep]

Yeah I agree.

 

HOLZMAN has proved it is not a problem

 

LINUS has not proved it IS a problem 

 

He has been in business a really long time, almost 50 years of exp I believe. He even has some

of the common first CPU released, before the name Pentium came along.

 

Still he is slow to release, vids, no matter how long they are, Linus has more videos and more often. i actually learn something from these two experts, more then i did in school at least in my whole life. Im a first timer here, been following linus on u-tube for a while now...

[tabuburn]

I kinda feel like this is the same thing with using cellphones on planes. It has not been proven that they can lead to problems with the aircraft but better safe that sorry.  :P

[TechTheWorld]

I am just going to use my mobo box just to be safe.

[Chevaishr]

Yeah I agree.

 

HOLZMAN has proved it is not a problem

 

LINUS has not proved it IS a problem 

 

He has been in business a really long time, almost 50 years of exp I believe. He even has some

of the common first CPU released, before the name Pentium came along.

 

Still he is slow to release, vids, no matter how long they are, Linus has more videos and more often. i actually learn something from these two experts, more then i did in school at least in my whole life. Im a first timer here, been following linus on u-tube for a while now.

.in order for the bag to be anti static it must have a conductive layer on the outside (it creates a faraday's cage) ... if u want proof of the conductivity of these bags take a piece (about 1cm by 3cm)  and hold on your phone in a way that a 1 cm square area of the bag touches your phone's screen. you would then be able to activate your touch screen and select stuff. some of the bags  have lots of black lines ... those black lines are conductive strtips,  though the strips are covered they are still conductive and if that coating breaks it won't be nice 

 

(ok somthing feels weird about the background of the text)

[Koori]

The safest will still be NOT using these bags even if you are 99.99% sure that you won't fried any of your parts!

[Spannerhands]

Was Linus wrong? Or Carey Holzman wrong?

 

They are both right and both wrong...

 

They are conductive, but they are also really bad conductors. I think It takes 100V + to get over the resistance of even 1cm²

[grayperview]

done it loads of times myself, Even on the carpet, its not an issue.

[Timmyfox]

Not sure about them being conductive but I'm rather sure they are capacitive.

Why? Most/all anti-static bags will work as a DIY stylus for any capacitive touchscreen.

 

I can't say anything about if it's enough to potentially damage anything. I doubt it, but just something to mention.

[Scia]

It's the same with the anti-static wristbands, if anything they make it worse. If you connect them to a metal surface, they will get charged by static from the friction on your arm, if you put them into the ground port of your poweroutlet, you are mostlikely going to create a grounding circuit and make it even worse.

[FireFox]

They work as a faraday cage, you can put the components on top of the bag as the material is NON-CONDUCTIVE.

 

You can test this yourself (and I did it in the past) with a multi-meter.

[mr-nipples]

.in order for the bag to be anti static it must have a conductive layer on the outside (it creates a faraday's cage) ... if u want proof of the conductivity of these bags take a piece (about 1cm by 3cm)  and hold on your phone in a way that a 1 cm square area of the bag touches your phone's screen. you would then be able to activate your touch screen and select stuff. some of the bags  have lots of black lines ... those black lines are conductive strtips,  though the strips are covered they are still conductive and if that coating breaks it won't be nice 

 

(ok somthing feels weird about the background of the text)

a little off topic but whats with your text? :P

[Eyal]

An anti static bag is anti static as long as the inside or outside of the bag is slightly conductive. Some manufacturers choose to make the outside conductive, less common but you don't want to risk that... I know a friend that killed his motherboard because of the anti static bag...

Though in most bags, the outside isn't conductive, and than it's supposed to be safe. But the motherboard might have a long soldering spike that can penetrate the outside of the bag, dispute the fact that it's extremely rare...

Don't do it... Just don't. There are plenty of other things you can put the motherboard on..

[FireFox]

I think there isnt anything wrong with the outside of the bag

 

There isn't, I've never had any issues and we did a conductivity test on the inside and the outside of a motherboard anti-static bag at school about 10 years ago.

 

Also Carey has been in the business for over 20 years so I think he has a slight idea what he is talking about.

 

[mgsstar]

Going to stick with the idea of using your motherboard box as a test bench and to build on.