NVIDIA GRID Debuts

[Bluejay0]

http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/184338/nvidia-grid-unleashes-graphics-for-virtualized-desktops.html


So NVIDIA has now made this new innovation public. This for some people is what they call the end of the desktop market.
Do you guys think this is perfect for gaming in the future? Will this win over businesses? How will it affect the future technology awaiting for us?

 

Share your thoughts!

[xBlizzDevious]

I have gigabit connections around my house. That is not enough to handle the bandwidth that Grid will need. 10Gb/s Ethernet costs an arm and a leg and would probably still not handle the bandwidth. I believe DisplayPort can handle something like 21Gb/s and that is enough for 4k @ 60Hz. That's a lot of big numbers. 4k is around the corner, but I haven't seen anything like 10Gb/s ethernet for the home. Until all other necessary infrastructures are in place; Grid is pointless.

 

I think this is a load of crap until there can be ensured broadband connections to every single home. This whole Nvidia GRID thing just sounds like overpriced, laggy, crap that will try and innovate something that can't be innovated in that way.

 

Maybe in 10 years, if every ISP is forced to roll out 20Gb/s internet to all customers, it might be feasible, but as of now, I can't even think of something like GRID.

 

To put it in perspective, to someone who lives in a place with gigabit or even 100Mb internet, I have to pay a fortune for the absolute best COMMERCIAL internet in my area, and it is useless. I get ~5Mbps DL and 0.35Mbps UL with an average ping of around 60ms. Now that ping alone will make something like Grid completely obsolete.

 

 

PS: If this post doesn't seem to make much sense, please excuse that. I am sleepy, and I wrote this in a random order.

[Xorbot]

This is a step toward what will become inevitably true: a single computer "server" in the house, and a bunch of dumb terminals connect to it.  This includes not only other PCs/Laptops, but also things like TVs and tablets.  Imagine a low usage tablet that has no major processor on it, other than for things like H.264 decoding, and has a battery life of 40 hours.

 

Who needs an iPad 4, 7, or 21 with fast processors for graphics.  Have a "dumb" iPad or tablet and play the most powerful games on it (well, aside from not having a proper gamepad).  The point is that this *will* happen in the near future.  Your gigabit connections around the house (reply to xBlizzDevious) are not the end-of-the-line technology.  Wireless gets faster constantly.

 

Things like Grid are always steps towards the future, and they should be taken even if you personally don't have a fast network in 2013.

[KaareKanin]

I have gigabit connections around my house. That is not enough to handle the bandwidth that Grid will need. 10Gb/s Ethernet costs an arm and a leg and would probably still not handle the bandwidth. I believe DisplayPort can handle something like 21Gb/s and that is enough for 4k @ 60Hz. That's a lot of big numbers. 4k is around the corner, but I haven't seen anything like 10Gb/s ethernet for the home. Until all other necessary infrastructures are in place; Grid is pointless.

 

I think this is a load of crap until there can be ensured broadband connections to every single home. This whole Nvidia GRID thing just sounds like overpriced, laggy, crap that will try and innovate something that can't be innovated in that way.

 

Maybe in 10 years, if every ISP is forced to roll out 20Gb/s internet to all customers, it might be feasible, but as of now, I can't even think of something like GRID.

 

To put it in perspective, to someone who lives in a place with gigabit or even 100Mb internet, I have to pay a fortune for the absolute best COMMERCIAL internet in my area, and it is useless. I get ~5Mbps DL and 0.35Mbps UL with an average ping of around 60ms. Now that ping alone will make something like Grid completely obsolete.

 

 

PS: If this post doesn't seem to make much sense, please excuse that. I am sleepy, and I wrote this in a random order.

 

I hardly think the stream will be uncompressed. Streaming 1080p over a home network is no issue at all today as long as you use some codecs. h.264 for instance, or something better?

[xBlizzDevious]

I hardly think the stream will be uncompressed. Streaming 1080p over a home network is no issue at all today as long as you use some codecs. h.264 for instance, or something better?

 

Streaming something like 1080P with H264 will allow it to flow across a gigabit line quite easily, I suppose. But look at the quality. It's not exactly the same experience you get these days, is it?

 

H264 1080P looks like crap compared to raw 1080P. Because it can't have the same level of detail. You watch a youtube video of someone playing something like Metro 2033 or Last Light at 1080P, then play the game yourself at 1080P and tell me that it doesn't look so much better when you play it on your own computer.

 

 

Who needs an iPad 4, 7, or 21 with fast processors for graphics.  Have a "dumb" iPad or tablet and play the most powerful games on it (well, aside from not having a proper gamepad).  The point is that this *will* happen in the near future.  Your gigabit connections around the house (reply to xBlizzDevious) are not the end-of-the-line technology.  Wireless gets faster constantly.

 

Things like Grid are always steps towards the future, and they should be taken even if you personally don't have a fast network in 2013.

 

Wireless gets faster constantly, but tell me what ACTUAL speeds you get across 1300MBps wireless AC? I think Linus' benchmarks showed it to be 3 times slower than 1000MBps ethernet.

 

I personally hate the inconsistency, and poor speeds of wireless. I have 3 computers (and some other devices) hooked up to a gigabit network and the transfer speeds are good but they're nothing to what they could be.

 

My main issue with my whining about ethernet speeds, is that you could have kitted your house out with gigabit ethernet 10 years ago for pretty cheap. It's definitely cheaper to do so today, but it's not insanely cheaper. If I were to buy 3 x 8-port 10Gb/s switches and the other infrastructure for handling the 10GB/s speeds, it'd cost thousands, probably tens of thousands of pounds. Wifi, on the other hand, went from being barely existent 10 years ago, to probably the most used form of connection because of mobile devices. Wifi has made a lot of advancements in that time, from 54Mb/s right up to 1300Mb/s and ethernet has gone from what it can do now, to what it can do now. There may be some advancements in the beyond-uber-expensive-and-not-at-all-consumer-level hardware, but what use is that to the 'advanced' home user!?

 

I feel that PCs are being left behind in almost every aspect. And I don't like it.

[fade]

This is a step toward what will become inevitably true: a single computer "server" in the house, and a bunch of dumb terminals connect to it.  This includes not only other PCs/Laptops, but also things like TVs and tablets.  Imagine a low usage tablet that has no major processor on it, other than for things like H.264 decoding, and has a battery life of 40 hours.

 

Who needs an iPad 4, 7, or 21 with fast processors for graphics.  Have a "dumb" iPad or tablet and play the most powerful games on it (well, aside from not having a proper gamepad).  The point is that this *will* happen in the near future.  Your gigabit connections around the house (reply to xBlizzDevious) are not the end-of-the-line technology.  Wireless gets faster constantly.

 

Things like Grid are always steps towards the future, and they should be taken even if you personally don't have a fast network in 2013.

 

What happens to your tablet when you leave the house?  :P

[Naz]

All i can say is that I prefer rendering the graphical data at my end, not that interested in GRID really. Though it is exciting, and is the way of the future (most likely) however it has a long long way to go before it becomes feasible worldwide.

Especially were I live in Australia, we are always so far behind when it comes to internet speeds and bandwidth limitations, in other parts of the world like Tokyo it might be feasible.

[Enderman]

maybe buy a grid to use as your desktop = P

but not over a network

[Xorbot]

Streaming something like 1080P with H264 will allow it to flow across a gigabit line quite easily, I suppose. But look at the quality. It's not exactly the same experience you get these days, is it?

 

H264 1080P looks like crap compared to raw 1080P. Because it can't have the same level of detail. You watch a youtube video of someone playing something like Metro 2033 or Last Light at 1080P, then play the game yourself at 1080P and tell me that it doesn't look so much better when you play it on your own computer.

 

 

 

Wireless gets faster constantly, but tell me what ACTUAL speeds you get across 1300MBps wireless AC? I think Linus' benchmarks showed it to be 3 times slower than 1000MBps ethernet.

 

I personally hate the inconsistency, and poor speeds of wireless. I have 3 computers (and some other devices) hooked up to a gigabit network and the transfer speeds are good but they're nothing to what they could be.

 

My main issue with my whining about ethernet speeds, is that you could have kitted your house out with gigabit ethernet 10 years ago for pretty cheap. It's definitely cheaper to do so today, but it's not insanely cheaper. If I were to buy 3 x 8-port 10Gb/s switches and the other infrastructure for handling the 10GB/s speeds, it'd cost thousands, probably tens of thousands of pounds. Wifi, on the other hand, went from being barely existent 10 years ago, to probably the most used form of connection because of mobile devices. Wifi has made a lot of advancements in that time, from 54Mb/s right up to 1300Mb/s and ethernet has gone from what it can do now, to what it can do now. There may be some advancements in the beyond-uber-expensive-and-not-at-all-consumer-level hardware, but what use is that to the 'advanced' home user!?

 

I feel that PCs are being left behind in almost every aspect. And I don't like it.

 

I wouldn't say current Gigabit and AC are strong today.  I was mostly referring to the fact that network speeds have always became faster over time.  I wouldn't say Grid will be here in full force next year, or even 5 or 10 years.  But lets say 40 or 60 years.  Computing as we know it today will be a joke in the future, just as Microsoft BASIC as my operating system on a Tandy computer when I was 9 years old would be a joke today. :)

 

Grid computing units would become as common as air filters or electrical wall outlets.

[Beskamir]

if the internet is reliable maybe otherwise i would rather have everything locally rendered:)

[Xorbot]

What happens to your tablet when you leave the house?  :P

 

Throw your tablet away an then paint a new one at your destination with OLED goo. :P

[Nicktrance]

Finally RAM (and performance in general) may actually be downloadable!

[xBlizzDevious]

Meh, as of now, and for the foreseeable future, I can't see Grid being even feasible.

[Broseephus]

I play BF3 with a guy that works for Nvidia. He said they play it on LAN and you wouldn't know the game isn't rendered locally unless you were told so. He also claims the office he tried it in was only 10/100 network.

[Bluejay0]

I play BF3 with a guy that works for Nvidia. He said they play it on LAN and you wouldn't know the game isn't rendered locally unless you were told so. He also claims the office he tried it in was only 10/100 network.

Hook me up with some 780's will you? :P

[xBlizzDevious]

I play BF3 with a guy that works for Nvidia. He said they play it on LAN and you wouldn't know the game isn't rendered locally unless you were told so. He also claims the office he tried it in was only 10/100 network.

 

I seriously don't believe this... But, we shall see.

[eshbop]

It's going to be a while before off-site processing given the infrastructure constraints and 4k looming, which will no doubt be followed by higher resolutions.

 

The main use of GRID now is for workstations, being able to have any old laptop/crappy desktop, with several in an office, hooked up to GRID is a huge advantage.

[silencerbob]

i just dont think it will take off any time soon for home systems.

 

Theres something to be said about having your own PC with its own stability and reliability. 

On the other hand theres something to be said about power use, efficiency and overall price considering you could replace all the workstations in your office with NUC's or BRIX.

 

Home use, no.  Business use, yes.

[Ethnod]

personally I think it will stay with large corps for quite some time. There will be some stuff that has it as a service so the day to day consumer has a better experience and there will be corps who have 100+ people working on projects that will need high end graphical computing from time to time but dont need 100+ high end PC's so this will be more economical but the end of Desktop? Nope, not until fibre is world wide. There needs to be very good internet available to the majority not the minority.

Oh and even then? Nope. I mean, there are almost 20k users on this forum, would any of you prefer to not have a beast at home? Cause I want my rig here with me. And I am sure that you will find that, unless its drastically cheaper, and I mean DRASTICALLY cheaper, I would not bother with it. I can build a higher end PC for cheaper than most companies can make one never mind retail it, why would I buy in to anything else?