12 year old girls stab classmate for Slenderman

[TheNinjaNextDor]

You mean amateurs, not ametures.

Ooops on my phone.

[Nicolas]

Unfortunately violent games/movies and pornography are not limited to the online sphere, its everywhere. Also regarding games and movies, if they do not have any effect on people, as many argue, than why do we have a rating system both for age and content? It is no news to anyone that a mind can be easily influenced and molded, even adults are susceptible.

We have the rating because games sure can cause negative effects on people, they sure can, but it's not going to turn a perfectly good kid (of a good age, so like 9+) that has no mental disorders or problems into a cold blooded murderer, now if you tell me that a kid grew up watching his dad play GTA since he was born, then yeah it is going to have a negative effect because he would feel like that it normal, but that would be the way he was raised, and it is still fault of the father for letting his kid play/watch GTA or whatever other game there is, but when you have a kid that is already sort of grown up, and is starting to get into puberty (like this girl) the fact that she saw/played some violent game is not going to turn her into a killer if she is mentally stable, maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's because wherre I'm from kids are already sort of independent at age 12, maybe in the US 12 year old kids are still susceptible to everything they see/hear, but I just can't stand people that blame games, because if a mom/dad lets his/her 8 year old kid play GTA it is the mother's responsibility, that's what rating are for, to tell the parents "hey, this game has hookers on it, this game has intense violence on it for fun, so watch out" so the argument that games "turn" people into violent killers is stupid, because they don't, mostly the kids that have been involved in this sort of stuff aren't mentally stable. Why else do you think there's only been a few cases where videogames have actually been a part of it? Sure a mind can be influenced, but for you to be able to influence my actions you need to be able to make me feel as if you were my superior or something like that. Maybe I'm wrong in all of this, again I'm not from the US, I'm from a completely different culture and maybe down here people are different and seem to be less prone to be influenced by something or someone, but if game really did turn perfectly fine people with no mental disorders and good parenting into violent killers then there would be a shit ton of cases like this one, and by this point there probably wouldn't be any more videogames

 

Do you play violent games? Have you turned into a killer?

[Maxwit44]

It is wrong to hit children. Not hitting them doesn't mean not doing anything. You can still be a proper parent without violence. Blaming a mental illness is almost as bad as suggesting we beat children.

 

 

 

Blaming the medium entirely, sure. But they certainly have an effect on behavior. Any anecdotal examples otherwise ("I was reading A Clockwork Orange in 4th grade and turned out fine") are just that, anecdotal.

 

There is a Massive difference between smacking your child, to beating them. I don't know you from a bar of soap, but that statement makes me think you do not have children of your own. Please I do not mean to offend if I'm totally wrong.

 

 

 

I have twin boys who are 4. There are the best thing that has happened to me ever. But, that will not stop me from smacking them when they have done something wrong, if and only if it warrants it. I have no issue doing it in public either. I will discpline my child how I see fit. A smack is on the back side or the back of the hand, and once only. Two or more times is unreasonable IMHO.

 

 

Each parent must decide on how they bring up their children, because it is their responsibility, not the governments. Therefore things like this, the parents should also be held to account for their childs actions till they come of age.

 

 

I am a firm believer that we should adopt a stricter life style. But that’s my opinion. If a Child fails a class, it’s a fail, not a "Not yet competent". School age children need to know when they failed something. And get the drive to Pass and get a higher grade.

 

I could go on but I won't. Every child is that childs parent / guardians responibility, wether they like it or not.

[NInety]

So, wheres all the ones saying...."video games never affect kids behavior" Funny how they all crawl under a rock when the facts come out.

This is based on the meme though. But also, the kids were obviously mentally unstable as one of them said that 'Slenderman could read her thoughts'. If you're religious like me, I guess you could also say she was demon possessed.

[mr.skyrim_pc]

I feel like the parents should be in more trouble than the kids!

[Guest]

Unfortunately violent games/movies and pornography are not limited to the online sphere, its everywhere. Also regarding games and movies, if they do not have any effect on people, as many argue, than why do we have a rating system both for age and content? It is no news to anyone that a mind can be easily influenced and molded, even adults are susceptible.

 

 

 

But no really, a kid needs to be mentally unstable to murder, video games and movies don't cause it.

[Guest]

[cae]

There is a Massive difference between smacking your child, to beating them. I don't know you from a bar of soap, but that statement makes me think you do not have children of your own. Please I do not mean to offend if I'm totally wrong.

 

 

 

I have twin boys who are 4. There are the best thing that has happened to me ever. But, that will not stop me from smacking them when they have done something wrong, if and only if it warrants it. I have no issue doing it in public either. I will discpline my child how I see fit. A smack is on the back side or the back of the hand, and once only. Two or more times is unreasonable IMHO.

 

 

Each parent must decide on how they bring up their children, because it is their responsibility, not the governments. Therefore things like this, the parents should also be held to account for their childs actions till them come of age.

 

 

I am a firm believer that we should adopt a stricter life style. But that’s my opinion. If a Child fails a class, it’s a fail, not a "Not yet competent". School age children need to know when they failed something. And get the drive to Pass and get a higher grade.

 

I could go on but I won't. Every child is that childs parent / guardians responibility, wether they like it or not.

 

I don't have children. Do I need to have them to recognize varying degrees of assault? I'm sorry to hear that your children are subject to this. If you have a few minutes, please watch:

 

http://youtu.be/ONNRfflggBg

[terrytek]

I just saw this on Inside Edition again.

[Maxwit44]

I don't have children. Do I need to have them to recognize varying degrees of assault? I'm sorry to hear that your children are subject to this. If you have a few minutes, please watch:

 

I used to be really arrogant about child behavour when I had no children. I would say to my self " control your damn kids" as another persons children either tore up my house or the store I was in. The day my boys where born, I learned patience. I would get so angry when my boys would not stop crying when they where 2-3 month old, at the time it drove me wild. It wasn't till this time that keeping a set routine and the simple things, made life easier for them, and made them happier.

 

As they got older, they stared getting into things, child proofing the house was more important than ever. Now they are at the age where they need boundaires set and atheard to. I know in myself that I can not smack my children when I'm angry. I can't do it.

 

Sorry but that u tube video is total crap. I don't to hear what 93% of other children are doing. Frankly I don't care. All the studies in the world can not prepare you for being a parent. They can't each you how to react to day to day stuff, and what you should do. One day your turn will come. You'll see. No parrent wants to smack their child, but they do. I would rather smack my child for running around the house, then have them in hospital needing stiches or worse from hitting corners of walls, tables etc. There are thouands of examples, and I won't list them all.

 

Substance abuse?? really?? peer presure is the most common cause of that. I know. I've been there and out the other side. And I'm still helping others out of it. Thats a long road for stupid choice that each person makes.

 

I know I'm doing the right thing when I get home from work, and my kids come running up to me screaming "DADDY!!!" and won't let go of me for a good 15-20 mins. Its kinda hard to walk round the house with a kids on each leg!!

[Nicolas]

I don't have children. Do I need to have them to recognize varying degrees of assault? I'm sorry to hear that your children are subject to this. If you have a few minutes, please watch:

 

-snip-

The title of that video could be taken so much out of context.

 

On a serious note though. I don't really think hitting children is okay, but sometimes there is no other way on make them understand something, like my little cousin when he's having fun he won't listen to anything you tell him no matter how you tell him, he won't stop until you do something like either tapping him in the back of the head or whatever, so I think sometimes it is reasonable

[cae]

I used to be really arrogant about child behavour when I had no children. I would say to my self " control your damn kids" as another persons children either tore up my house or the store I was in. The day my boys where born, I learned patience. I would get so angry when my boys would not stop crying when they where 2-3 month old, at the time it drove me wild. It wasn't till this time that keeping a set routine and the simple things, made life easier for them, and made them happier.

 

As they got older, they stared getting into things, child proofing the house was more important than ever. Now they are at the age where they need boundaires set and atheard to. I know in myself that I can not smack my children when I'm angry. I can't do it.

 

Sorry but that u tube video is total crap. I don't to hear what 93% of other children are doing. Frankly I don't care. All the studies in the world can not prepare you for being a parent. They can't each you how to react to day to day stuff, and what you should do. One day your turn will come. You'll see. No parrent wants to smack their child, but they do. I would rather smack my child for running around the house, then have them in hospital needing stiches or worse from hitting corners of walls, tables etc. There are thouands of examples, and I won't list them all.

 

Substance abuse?? really?? peer presure is the most common cause of that. I know. I've been there and out the other side. And I'm still helping others out of it. Thats a long road for stupid choice that each person makes.

 

I know I'm doing the right thing when I get home from work, and my kids come running up to me screaming "DADDY!!!" and won't let go of me for a good 15-20 mins. Its kinda hard to walk round the house with a kids on each leg!!

 

I'm not trying to be arrogant or instruct folks on their parenting. My interest in the subject comes from my own experiences as a child, my sister & brother-in-law's looming parenthood, and a friend's children's behavior after stopping even the slightest of spankings. Just thought I'd share an interesting video on the issue. I'd suggest trying to reason with them in lieu of striking them but if your ability to do so goes as far as calling several cited studies "total crap," well.. practice? I love my parents as well, much as I'm sure your children love you, but some of the most vivid memories of my childhood were of times when I was hit, and had no clue why. Not "because you're running around" why, but "Why was my running answered with pain inflicted by a loved one?"

 

When a child hits a child, we call it aggression.

When a child hits an adult, we call it hostility.

When an adult hits an adult, we call it assault.

When an adult hits a child, we call it discipline.

[The Crazed Child]

Is Slenderman even a thing still? It's from 2012!!!

[tbc]

So, wheres all the ones saying...."video games never affect kids behavior" Funny how they all crawl under a rock when the facts come out.

 

video games don't affect kids' behaviors.

 

lazy parents who don't take care of their kids because they have people who give them excuses when they are found out DO affect childrens' behavior.

 

people like you CREATE lazy parents because you give them an easy excuse.

 

looks like you're the cause of violent child behavior.  go figure.

 

 

but seriously...what the fuck is wrong with you?  someone almost dies and you go trolling on the internet?

 

 

 

Has anyone ever considered how the military trains it's troops? They use the tool of media in training their troops for combat. They use simulators and military computer games to train. Now tell me what the difference between someone playing a game under the supervision of the military as opposed to someone playing the same genre of games, but in a private household. Given there are many aspects that go into training troops, not just simulators, but at the moment this discussion is about simulated combat....which is what a video game is. Now the troops that are trained perhaps don't start out with any inclination to kill, but through training both simulated and plactical they are become different people with different capabilities. The only difference is that they are aware of it, it isn't subtle.

 

military uses REAL guns and it actively encourages it's soldiers to ignore earlier learned behaviors about restraining aggression (these behaviors cause hesitation and that gets solders + the rest of the squad killed/injured)

the military uses simulations because:

- soldiers can EFFECTIVELY (predicated on a good simulator of course) learn team tactics in a completely injury free environment

- trainees requiring additional 'fitness training' can participate in squad training before completing the additional physical training (this is EXCEPTIONALLY important in expanding the base of candidates)

- instructors/trainers can perform individual/group evaluations from abroad

- injured soldiers can (at reduced effectiveness most likely) can perform their assigned role and not delay training for the rest of the fire team/squad

- it is MUCH easier to use a computer to simulate a layout rather than building the 'target building' physically (obviously they will have a real course eventually, but they can get access to the VR version much earlier)

 

the military doesn't use games to encourage aggression; that's what trainers, patriotism, and propaganda are for.  it uses VR for the purpose of overcoming PHYSICAL limitations, not psychological ones.

 

as well, solders aren't training exclusively in simulators.  whereas, children don't ever have a 'live ammunition' component to their BF4 game.

 

 

there is no concrete comparison between a soldier in a VR environment* and someone on their xbox/PC.

 

*yes, we're not quite ubiquitous on VR equipment and soldiers have historically used controllers.  but they have NEVER ONLY trained on an xbox.

[tbc]

I used to be really arrogant about child behavour when I had no children. I would say to my self " control your damn kids" as another persons children either tore up my house or the store I was in. The day my boys where born, I learned patience. I would get so angry when my boys would not stop crying when they where 2-3 month old, at the time it drove me wild. It wasn't till this time that keeping a set routine and the simple things, made life easier for them, and made them happier.

 

As they got older, they stared getting into things, child proofing the house was more important than ever. Now they are at the age where they need boundaires set and atheard to. I know in myself that I can not smack my children when I'm angry. I can't do it.

 

Sorry but that u tube video is total crap. I don't to hear what 93% of other children are doing. Frankly I don't care. All the studies in the world can not prepare you for being a parent. They can't each you how to react to day to day stuff, and what you should do. One day your turn will come. You'll see. No parrent wants to smack their child, but they do. I would rather smack my child for running around the house, then have them in hospital needing stiches or worse from hitting corners of walls, tables etc. There are thouands of examples, and I won't list them all.

 

Substance abuse?? really?? peer presure is the most common cause of that. I know. I've been there and out the other side. And I'm still helping others out of it. Thats a long road for stupid choice that each person makes.

 

I know I'm doing the right thing when I get home from work, and my kids come running up to me screaming "DADDY!!!" and won't let go of me for a good 15-20 mins. Its kinda hard to walk round the house with a kids on each leg!!

 

 

i'm just curious...when was the first time you were responsible for a toddler/baby.  at a minimum, changing diapers and bottle feeding.

[Skreedles]

Why are so many people blaming the parenting of the children? Parenting doesn't teach everything for a child. I think many of the people on this site have gone against something their parents said or taught them, or they have at least bent their parents rules. The child's temperament also goes into play as well as other in the moment, biological and social factors.

[tbc]

Why are so many people blaming the parenting of the children? Parenting doesn't teach everything for a child. I think many of the people on this site have gone against something their parents said or taught them, or they have at least bent their parents rules. The child's temperament also goes into play as well as other in the moment, biological and social factors.

 

your biology is a result of your parents.

 

your temperament is part genetics (your parents) and your anger management is based on the amount of authority and training during your fundamental years (0-4) and again from ~8 - ~14

 

of course, social factors play a part, but the counterpoint to that is: "why doesn't everyone else do it?"

[EpicGeekonFire]

ffs pliss use logic young ones....

[cae]

Why are so many people blaming the parenting of the children? Parenting doesn't teach everything for a child. I think many of the people on this site have gone against something their parents said or taught them, or they have at least bent their parents rules. The child's temperament also goes into play as well as other in the moment, biological and social factors.

 

Because normal people don't lure classmates into the woods and stab them. "It was weird that I didn't feel remorse." That has to come from an environment so devoid of empathy it's scary. Where was the supervision in the woods? Where was the supervision online? This is why my attention turns immediately towards the parents.

[tbc]

Yes I'm trolling on the internet, I think I've got bigger fish to fry than sit here and attempt to get a rise out of people. Don't try and pull the righteous card on me buddy. You have your opinion on the issue and I have mine. I haven't shown you any disrespect regarding yours and I expect you to show the same level of maturity and respect for me. If you cannot do that than don't comment because It means nothing to me if you cannot give it in a appropriate manner.

 

derp...and not on my part either.

 

but you realized your post was calling people out on the internet?

 

it was almost literally: "come and get some"

 

 

but let's be honest.  i'm just curious if you're sociopathic because that affects the arguments that you're more likely to be interested in.

[Maxwit44]

I'm not trying to be arrogant or instruct folks on their parenting. My interest in the subject comes from my own experiences as a child, my sister & brother-in-law's looming parenthood, and a friend's children's behavior after stopping even the slightest of spankings. Just thought I'd share an interesting video on the issue. I'd suggest trying to reason with them in lieu of striking them but if your ability to do so goes as far as calling several cited studies "total crap," well.. practice? I love my parents as well, much as I'm sure your children love you, but some of the most vivid memories of my childhood were of times when I was hit, and had no clue why. Not "because you're running around" why, but "Why was my running answered with pain inflicted by a loved one?"

 

Please by no means was I calling you arrogant. Just describe the way I was.

 

I can also understand others have difficult or a bad childhood, due to their parents / guardians. My wife is one of those people who have suffered. I do understand. And I honestly feel for those who've been down that road. I know my wife struggles with it alot.

 

The bad thing about the writtern word, is that it can be taken out of context so often.

 

I do beleive that video is total crap. But also please remember when I said " if and only if it warrants it". Like I said, nothing prepares you for children. Nothing. Everything is case by case. There is always a difference between smacking and abuse. A very big difference.

 

Smacking is my very last resort. I will yell repeatedly at them till they listen, if they don't then they get a 1 smack.

 

I can understand where your comming from. I respect that.

[Maxwit44]

i'm just curious...when was the first time you were responsible for a toddler/baby.  at a minimum, changing diapers and bottle feeding.

 

Well, I spent my long service leave of 6 months looking after my twin new borns (late 2009 through to early 2010). I spend at least 2 hours with my kids before bed after work. I never spent more then 24 hours away from my boys.

 

What about you?

[cae]

There is always a difference between smacking and abuse. A very big difference.

 

I disagree. If one were to smack their significant other and tell the officer "It's not abuse, there's a difference," what happens? Why would the rules change for (and not in favor of) a child that 1) didn't choose their parents, and 2) cannot physically defend themselves against their parents?

 

And I honestly feel for those who've been down that road. I know my wife struggles with it alot.

 

Smacking is my very last resort. I will yell repeatedly at them till they listen, if they don't then they get a 1 smack.

 

I can understand where your comming from. I respect that.

 

If you understand what your wife struggles with, why roll those dice with your own kids? The effect parents have on their children throughout their lives is amazing. Are a few moments of obedience obtained through physical or verbal abuse worth the compounding risks during their development because of those abuses?

 

Respect to you as well for talking about this.

[Maxwit44]

I disagree. If one were to smack their significant other and tell the officer "It's not abuse, there's a difference," what happens? Why would the rules change for (and not in favor of) a child that 1) didn't choose their parents, and 2) cannot physically defend themselves against their parents?

 

 

If you understand what your wife struggles with, why roll those dice with your own kids? The effect parents have on their children throughout their lives is amazing. Are a few moments of obedience obtained through physical or verbal abuse worth the compounding risks during their development because of those abuses?

 

Respect to you as well for talking about this.

 

Before I begin on this, there is nothing I'm ever going to type to convince you of my standpoint.

 

Whats the difference between a minor burning down a house, and and adult burning a house. Nine times out of ten the minor will get away with it. Wheres the consquence of there actions there?

 

My children understand now that, If they do something wrong, they will get yelled at. If they've done really bad, they get a smack. If they've done good, they get cuddles and what they ask for (most of the time and within reason). If they've done really good, like help daddy carry in the shopping, then they get a treat. Be it a lolly or trip to the park.

 

If I have to yelled a my boys they get sent to their rooms, no toys, no books, etc. Have you every had to get a childs attention because a dangerous situtation, but their too busy playing, running, etc.

 

My wife generally walks the kids home from school. One day, one of my boys decide he didn't want to listen to mum, and ran off. He run off down the road, about two hundred metres. My wife called me and told me what happened. She chased after him, he kept running, cause he thought it was a game. He didn't know daddy was driving down the street comming towards him, and as soon as he seen my work truck comming, he froze. He walked up to the nearest fence and sat down. I got out of the truck picked him up, strapped him in and drove home. When I got home he thought mummy was joking and started laughing. My wife was in tears. I told him what he did was wrong and tried to explain to him why. I told him that I was going to smack him for being naughty, and I did. Softly on the back his hand. He went to his room and stayed there. To this day He will not go past our front fence without holding either my or my wifes hand.

 

Ask you see the risk of doing nothing has consquences too. Sometimes these outcomes can be worse then what I can dish out to someone my own size.

 

With you first point, I'm not punching my child like a boxer would their opposition. I'm not going in with hay makers. Open hand not 6 inches from point of impact.

My boys may only be four, but I know they can beat me up already.

 

Basically what it comes down to, I will discipline my child with in reason and with a punishment that fits what they've done. I will do my best to make sure that they are a well mannered, respectful, but confident young men that walk out my front door. Not some ungreatful demanding muppet who thinks the world owes him.

[ItsLinkNotZelda]

Video games don't make kids murderers, but they do influence them one way or another. Honestly, I think this girl is not mentally stable. She must have another problem either in her personal life or a mental illness. You could also blame bad parenting for this, but I don't think bad parenting is to take all the blame.

And on the subject of discipline...

I don't have kids and don't plan to. But in the chance I do, I will probably have to give them a slap on the wrist/arm everyone in a while. My father disciplined me with a slap on the arm BUT only when I did something really bad. Other than that, if he gave me or my brothers "The look," we knew were doing something bad and were going to get punished(Phone take away, no video games/TV, no going to friends house.) He tells me that he loved us all and that it was hard to discipline us, but he would rather do that than have us learn the hard way later in our Adulthood. I'm glad my dad disciplined me. If it weren't for that, I'd probably wouldn't be here right now.

Edit: MY personal opinion. This is how I would raise my children but I'm not telling you how to raise yours.