Any Good cases that support 420mm aio’s?

[Shyguy873]

Hello, are there any cases that support 2 or more 200mm fans and a 420mm radiator and has great airflow and cooling that costs 250$ Canadian dollars or less (you can convert to your currency) sorry if this is really specific.

[GuiltySpark_]

You described the Asus ProArt PA602 perfectly but its out of your price range. 420mm rad support with 2x 200mm fans and its certainly a premium case. 

 

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_6004_5960&item_id=252356&language=en

[Shyguy873]

The thermaltake core 71 also fits all my specs but I’m not sure how the airflow and cooling is even if it fits the specs

[Dedayog]

11 minutes ago, Shyguy873 said:

Hello, are there any cases that support 2 or more 200mm fans and a 420mm radiator and has great airflow and cooling that costs 250$ Canadian dollars or less (you can convert to your currency) sorry if this is really specific.

Why the hell are you using 200mm fans?   Get a Fractal North XL, put the 420mm in the front, and 3x140's up top and a 4th rear.  

 

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/north/north-xl/chalk-white/

 

May be budget tight for canada.

[Shyguy873]

9 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Why the hell are you using 200mm fans?   Get a Fractal North XL, put the 420mm in the front, and 3x140's up top and a 4th rear.  

 

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/north/north-xl/chalk-white/

 

May be budget tight for canada.

I was wanting 200mm fans because of noise

[Shyguy873]

20 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

You described the Asus ProArt PA602 perfectly but its out of your price range. 420mm rad support with 2x 200mm fans and its certainly a premium case. 

 

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_6004_5960&item_id=252356&language=en

The thermaltake core 71 also fits all my specs but I’m not sure how the airflow and cooling is even if it fits the specs

[TVwazhere]

42 minutes ago, Shyguy873 said:

Hello, are there any cases that support 2 or more 200mm fans and a 420mm radiator and has great airflow and cooling that costs 250$ Canadian dollars or less (you can convert to your currency) sorry if this is really specific.

I mean, *technically* speaking you described the Fractal Torrent to a T (albiet $20 CAD over budget)

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/BjqPxr/fractal-design-torrent-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-tor1a-01

The one issue is the 420 RAD needs to go at the bottom. And assuming it's an AIO, this would mean the pump is at the highest point in the loop, which is where air will sit and cause wear and tear to the pump. So I would NOT recommend this setup for an AIO.

[Shyguy873]

1 minute ago, TVwazhere said:

I mean, *technically* speaking you described the Fractal Torrent to a T (albiet $20 CAD over budget)

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/BjqPxr/fractal-design-torrent-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-tor1a-01

The one issue is the 420 RAD needs to go at the bottom. And assuming it's an AIO, this would mean the pump is at the highest point in the loop, which is where air will sit and cause wear and tear to the pump. So I would NOT recommend this setup for an AIO.

Yeah, I was going to aio

[GuiltySpark_]

6 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

I mean, *technically* speaking you described the Fractal Torrent to a T (albiet $20 CAD over budget)

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/BjqPxr/fractal-design-torrent-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-tor1a-01

The one issue is the 420 RAD needs to go at the bottom. And assuming it's an AIO, this would mean the pump is at the highest point in the loop, which is where air will sit and cause wear and tear to the pump. So I would NOT recommend this setup for an AIO.

The PA602 really is the exact case they described. Top mounted 420 support and 200mm fans. I have a Torrent and its fantastic (ha) but the fans are 180mm and as you described, not the best for an AIO in the bottom. 

[Shyguy873]

2 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

The PA602 really is the exact case they described. Top mounted 420 support and 200mm fans. I have a Torrent and its fantastic (ha) but the fans are 180mm and as you described, not the best for an AIO in the bottom. 

Oh ok, thanks

[Shyguy873]

2 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

The PA602 really is the exact case they described. Top mounted 420 support and 200mm fans. I have a Torrent and its fantastic (ha) but the fans are 180mm and as you described, not the best for an AIO in the bottom. 

I found the deepcool Morpheus. Is that good?

[GuiltySpark_]

Just now, Shyguy873 said:

I found the deepcool Morpheus. Is that good?

Never heard of it, but it looks like more of a standard mesh box. I'm sure its fine.

[Shyguy873]

2 minutes ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

Never heard of it, but it looks like more of a standard mesh box. I'm sure its fine.

It supports up to 13 fans XD 6 of which are 200mm

[thrasher_565]

thermaltake core 71 looks cool and could have been but that front is closed off...

and the old school psu mount that tt dint want to put a shrowd over...

 

200mm fans monts are rare but there a few.

[Motifator]

Lancool III does it. Thing is heavy af though, as I always mention... mine is a burden to take up for moving EMPTY, I can't think how badly it can get when filled with hefty parts. I think that's because of the whole screwless design, where both panels are closed and you have basically nowhere to hold the chassis from other than its corners. Therefore the center of weight is crap, making it seem heavier than it already even is to lift.

[RevGAM]

On 5/8/2024 at 2:05 PM, TVwazhere said:

The one issue is the 420 RAD needs to go at the bottom. And assuming it's an AIO, this would mean the pump is at the highest point in the loop, which is where air will sit and cause wear and tear to the pump. So I would NOT recommend this setup for an AIO.

Actually, that depends. There are 4 positions I've seen for the pump:

1. Water block - most common
2. Tubes - increasingly common
3. Rad array - not common
4. Tube end of rad - not common

2-4 would be okay for bottom mount.  3-4 would need the block to be mounted with tubes pointed up or, failing that, to the side, which will keep the plays from becoming dry. Definitely best with any AIO to choose one that allows flush and fill at least. 

[TVwazhere]

21 hours ago, RevGAM said:

Actually, that depends. There are 4 positions I've seen for the pump:

1. Water block - most common
2. Tubes - increasingly common
3. Rad array - not common
4. Tube end of rad - not common

2-4 would be okay for bottom mount.  3-4 would need the block to be mounted with tubes pointed up or, failing that, to the side, which will keep the plays from becoming dry. Definitely best with any AIO to choose one that allows flush and fill at least. 

True, but

1. There are an exceedingly small amount of AIO's that dont have them in the pump. I cannot find any examples of #2 currently. Especially in a 420mm variant, which in of itself is a rare size. We're asking for a niche within a niche here.
2. Even in a situation where a 420 rad can be found without a pump in the block, and can be mounted at the bottom without risk of premature pump whine or failure due to permeation, the block is still the highest point within the loop, meaning air will build up inside the block. This will almost certainly reduce thermal efficiency to the thing you're actually trying to cool off, getting worse over time.
3. Flush & fill AIO's are notoriously leaky; mainly due to user error which often results in a lost electrical component. Even experienced custom watercoolers have mishaps, so to ask normal users to add/change their own fluid is, IMO high risk low reward.

 

[RevGAM]

58 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

True, but

1. There are an exceedingly small amount of AIO's that dont have them in the pump. I cannot find any examples of #2 currently. Especially in a 420mm variant, which in of itself is a rare size. We're asking for a niche within a niche here.
2. Even in a situation where a 420 rad can be found without a pump in the block, and can be mounted at the bottom without risk of premature pump whine or failure due to permeation, the block is still the highest point within the loop, meaning air will build up inside the block. This will almost certainly reduce thermal efficiency to the thing you're actually trying to cool off, getting worse over time.
3. Flush & fill AIO's are notoriously leaky; mainly due to user error which often results in a lost electrical component. Even experienced custom watercoolers have mishaps, so to ask normal users to add/change their own fluid is, IMO high risk low reward.

 

1. Fair, but you can find several examples of the pump mounted on the tubes from Thermalright. Not sure about 420s and I'm too busy to go searching right now. The only 420 I see on their website is the Warframe, which is very hard to find these days. It's maintainable and, thus, about as expensive as others in that class (~$150-170) and the pump is in the block. AFAIK, all their other AIOs have the pump on the tubes. Sama also has some with the pump on the tubes, but they're vastly overpriced for the performance they offer (the company rarely publishes product specs), aren't maintainable and I doubt are good quality, either. How common they are isn't the point, though, is it? My whole point was to show that there are options for people who need to mount on the bottom. If we're going to talk about rarity, how many cases can accommodate a 420 on the bottom? "We're asking for a niche within a niche here."
2. "..without a pump in the block, and can be mounted at the bottom without risk of premature pump whine or failure due to permeation" - pump whine and permeation are potential problems no matter where you mount it. These are irrelevant because the issue at hand is finding an AIO with a pump that's in a place where it won't get damaged when the AIO is on the bottom. So, why distract from the issue with something that is a universal issue not only relevant to this particular issue and option? And, as far as the block is concerned, I already pointed out how to mitigate that issue by pointing the tubes on the block up or to the side (with a strong pump is even better), and that it's important to choose an AIO that can be refilled. Anyone who does otherwise with a bottom mount is asking for trouble. It's not ideal, but the ideal solution is to abandon using an AIO and get an air cooler. Few people NEED an AIO, let alone a custom loop. Then they're just left with fan failure and paste failure as issues, assuming they mount it correctly (which is equally an issue for water coolers).
3. That's true, I'm sure. I'd rather have the option and take the risk with a long-bent-necked plastic filling bottle than toss it out after a few years of service just because I couldn't refill it. Whether the OP wants to do that is up to them.
    

My purpose here is to do my best to educate people on what their options are. Which options are a good fit for someone is their business.

[RevGAM]

3 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

True, but

1. There are an exceedingly small amount of AIO's that dont have them in the pump. I cannot find any examples of #2 currently. Especially in a 420mm variant, which in of itself is a rare size. We're asking for a niche within a niche here.
2. Even in a situation where a 420 rad can be found without a pump in the block, and can be mounted at the bottom without risk of premature pump whine or failure due to permeation, the block is still the highest point within the loop, meaning air will build up inside the block. This will almost certainly reduce thermal efficiency to the thing you're actually trying to cool off, getting worse over time.
3. Flush & fill AIO's are notoriously leaky; mainly due to user error which often results in a lost electrical component. Even experienced custom watercoolers have mishaps, so to ask normal users to add/change their own fluid is, IMO high risk low reward.

 

BTW, if you do come across any 420s with a tube-mounted pump, I would be interested in knowing.

 

Have you used many AIOs?

[thrasher_565]

12 hours ago, RevGAM said:

BTW, if you do come across any 420s with a tube-mounted pump, I would be interested in knowing.

 

Have you used many AIOs?

the pump being mounted els were was do to a copy right by a company... but i dont no they worked things out thats why there was pumps in the tube or rad or els were other then the block. its kinda the magnetic fan thing with lian li...

Edited Saturday at 04:01 AM by thrasher_565

[RevGAM]

On 5/17/2024 at 8:55 AM, TVwazhere said:

True, but

1. There are an exceedingly small amount of AIO's that dont have them in the pump. I cannot find any examples of #2 currently. Especially in a 420mm variant, which in of itself is a rare size. We're asking for a niche within a niche here.

 

Bitfenix Cube also has a tube- mounted pump. Sadly, only 240mm and 360mm,  AFAIK, but the pump is strong: 5500 RPM and 1.8M lift.