What to choose for multitasking? LF Build Advise/Guidence i5-13600k(300€)| i5-14600K (315€)| R7-7800X3D (345€)| i7-13700K (375€)

[DennyPhantom]

I've seen the Benchmarks by Gamers Nexus, LTT, Hardware Unboxed, and the 7800X3D seems easily worth the extra 45-35Euro over the 13600k/14600k.

If the use case is primarily gaming.
I haven't been able to find any benchmarks/tests that compare these CPUs while having 2-3 monitors up doing something. (Playing Video, having an interactive map up or having another game up)
And that's how I use my PC, its nearly never doing just 1 thing. 

I mainly play Openworld, Combat Simulation, Basebuilding/Management games. (FarCry/AssassinsCreed, RDR2, Satisfactory, Factorio, From The Depths, Empyrion, The Planet Crafter, Ark Survival.)
And on occasion fast paced shooters. (Warframe, Roboquest, UltraKill)

I think I'm mostly in need of a CPU that can handle loads of entities being placed/spawned/loaded in. 
While having spare power for smaller tasks.

 

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Now, to mention the rest of the component choices and prices. Which i need help choosing between (or getting told alternatives) . (links are to the manufacturers product page)
And i do have a strong preference for MSI and Asus Motherboards. 
 

For the AMD CPU:

Mobo:

Asus TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI (210€)

MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI (220€)

MSI MPG B650 CARBON WIFI (300€)

MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI (305€)

DDR5 RAM:

G.SKILL Ripjaws S5, DDR5, 32 GB, 6400 MHz (120€)

G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB, DDR5, 32 GB, 6400 MHz (140€)

Cooler: 
Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm (90€)

For the Intel CPU:
Mobo:
Asus TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS D4 (230€)
MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 (255€)

MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI (270€)

If i go with DDR5 Mobo, id also need new DDR5 RAM, maybe the above mentioned Kits. Would that be worth the better performance or no? 
G.SKILL Ripjaws S5, DDR5, 32 GB, 6400 MHz (120€)

G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB, DDR5, 32 GB, 6400 MHz (140€)

 

But if i stick with DDR4, i already have a kit of: 
Kingston Fury Renegade 3600Mhz 32GB 

Cooler: 
Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm (90€)

 

And this is my main concern..I suppose? (idk what word to use)
If i go with intel, i save ~120-140€ by not needing new RAM.
So, does the ram cost fully negate the extra performance per coin when going from 13600k to 7800X3D, so would using that extra coin on a 13700k be better? (for Multitasking purposes)
Also, im not quite sure what AMDs chipsets are n stuff. Hence 4 options..


My Basic Intel Build 'n math is:
CPU: 13600k (300€) / 13700K (375€)
Mobo: MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 (255€)
Ram: Kingston Fury Renegade 3600Mhz 32GB (0€)
Cooler: Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm (90€)

Total: 645€ / 720€
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My Basic AMD Build 'n math:

CPU: 7800X3D (345€)

Mobo: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI (220€) / MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI (305€)

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws S5, DDR5, 32 GB, 6400 MHz (120€)

Cooler: Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm (90€)

Total: 775€ / 860€

 

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Note: I am highly interested in Overclocking, Hence why i only choose Z series Mobos and K series CPUs for Intel, and im familiar with how to do so, with Intel. Not at all familiar with AMD OC doe, curious to try doe
Note 2: I intend on using my existing OS Drive with the new System, not for ever, just a while until i can get a new SSD for the new System.
So, if there are any major issues with using an old Intel System drive with an AMD system, do tell.

Note 3:

I already have a PSU, the MSI MPG A850GF 850W

OS Drive n Storage Drive, and GPU
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Onto my main questions.

1) Which CPU/Build will handle multitasking better? (Like not take away from the main application while having others running well) 
Considering the Intel CPUs have more Cores id assume they would better at that.. but im not sure.

2....) Its fine to keep a System ontop of a motherboard box right? 
I intend to just... build the new build, and plop it onto the Mobo box which will be on my desk. 
*looks at Case pricing*
Cuz aint no way im spending that much on a metal box when i have a perfectly good cardboard one i could use.
Not right away atleast.

 

[Shimejii]

For ram, get 6000 CL30 ram. Do not go beyond that.

 

No, Get a damn case. If you are spending this much money on a system,  put it in a damn case. You can get a Fractal Pop for like 80$.

 

Cooler, Id get a 280/360 if you go 7800x3D route, not 420. Since 420 is gonna require a much bigger case.

 

For the multi tasking issue, it really comes down to what you are doing. Remember that the Intel cpus are Actually 6 core and 8 cores, not 12-24 cores. Those e-cores tend to be for back ground stuff and are not used for the primary programs.

 

Intel tends to be better if you are doing certain tasks with Adobe, but AMD has been more then enough and can it done just as well.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

30 minutes ago, DennyPhantom said:

1) Which CPU/Build will handle multitasking better? (Like not take away from the main application while having others running well) 
Considering the Intel CPUs have more Cores id assume they would better at that.. but im not sure

The ecores are for background tasks but considering you play games i think 7800x3d is best here

 

It also helps that amd boards are cheaper (for adequate boards), have an upgrade path, and are overbuilt asf, heck you dont even need a b650 tomahawk since even the b650m hdv has 14 total usb a + 2 usb c (6+1 rear 8+1 internal), vrms capable of handling an overclocked 7950x, and ddr5 10000+ capability, the entry level is already more than what most ppl will need

 

35 minutes ago, DennyPhantom said:

2....) Its fine to keep a System ontop of a motherboard box right? 
I intend to just... build the new build, and plop it onto the Mobo box which will be on my desk. 
*looks at Case pricing*
Cuz aint no way im spending that much on a metal box when i have a perfectly good cardboard one i could use.
Not right away atleast.

Technically yes but as a veteran of putting my testbench ontop a cardboard box for the past 4 years its pretty messy, main benifit being extremely quick hardware swaps where you can assemble a working computer in under 5 minutes

 

Just spend the 40-60€ on a half decent case, maybe cases like the kolink hf/observatory mesh, tecware forge m, etc. If you really wanna be cheap look for used cases, might even be able to get a free one from someone wanting to throw away a case

[Zando_]

22 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

No, Get a damn case. If you are spending this much money on a system,  put it in a damn case. You can get a Fractal Pop for like 80$.

^^ I've done the box method, dropped it once, bent the I/O section on the motherboard and the ethernet port never worked consistently afterwards, often had to uninstall/reinstall the drivers from Device Manager. Annoying on a basic Intel H something board for a sandy bridge Pentium, would be a lot more awful to have a single "elbow incident" and watch your ~1000+ euro mobo/ram/cpu/gpu combo fly off the desk and then looney-tunes anvil itself by pulling the PSU down after it. 

 

[Agall]

47 minutes ago, DennyPhantom said:

I've seen the Benchmarks by Gamers Nexus, LTT, Hardware Unboxed, and the 7800X3D seems easily worth the extra 45-35Euro over the 13600k/14600k.

If the use case is primarily gaming.
I haven't been able to find any benchmarks/tests that compare these CPUs while having 2-3 monitors up doing something. (Playing Video, having an interactive map up or having another game up)
And that's how I use my PC, its nearly never doing just 1 thing. 

I mainly play Openworld, Combat Simulation, Basebuilding/Management games. (FarCry/AssassinsCreed, RDR2, Satisfactory, Factorio, From The Depths, Empyrion, The Planet Crafter, Ark Survival.)
And on occasion fast paced shooters. (Warframe, Roboquest, UltraKill)

I think I'm mostly in need of a CPU that can handle loads of entities being placed/spawned/loaded in. 
While having spare power for smaller tasks.

 

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Now, to mention the rest of the component choices and prices. Which i need help choosing between (or getting told alternatives) . (links are to the manufacturers product page)
And i do have a strong preference for MSI and Asus Motherboards. 
 

For the AMD CPU:

Mobo:

Asus TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI (210€)

MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI (220€)

MSI MPG B650 CARBON WIFI (300€)

MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI (305€)

DDR5 RAM:

G.SKILL Ripjaws S5, DDR5, 32 GB, 6400 MHz (120€)

G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB, DDR5, 32 GB, 6400 MHz (140€)

Cooler: 
Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm (90€)

For the Intel CPU:
Mobo:
Asus TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS D4 (230€)
MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 (255€)

MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI (270€)

If i go with DDR5 Mobo, id also need new DDR5 RAM, maybe the above mentioned Kits. Would that be worth the better performance or no? 
G.SKILL Ripjaws S5, DDR5, 32 GB, 6400 MHz (120€)

G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB, DDR5, 32 GB, 6400 MHz (140€)

 

But if i stick with DDR4, i already have a kit of: 
Kingston Fury Renegade 3600Mhz 32GB 

Cooler: 
Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm (90€)

 

And this is my main concern..I suppose? (idk what word to use)
If i go with intel, i save ~120-140€ by not needing new RAM.
So, does the ram cost fully negate the extra performance per coin when going from 13600k to 7800X3D, so would using that extra coin on a 13700k be better? (for Multitasking purposes)
Also, im not quite sure what AMDs chipsets are n stuff. Hence 4 options..


My Basic Intel Build 'n math is:
CPU: 13600k (300€) / 13700K (375€)
Mobo: MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 (255€)
Ram: Kingston Fury Renegade 3600Mhz 32GB (0€)
Cooler: Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm (90€)

Total: 645€ / 720€
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My Basic AMD Build 'n math:

CPU: 7800X3D (345€)

Mobo: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI (220€) / MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI (305€)

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws S5, DDR5, 32 GB, 6400 MHz (120€)

Cooler: Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm (90€)

Total: 775€ / 860€

 

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Note: I am highly interested in Overclocking, Hence why i only choose Z series Mobos and K series CPUs for Intel, and im familiar with how to do so, with Intel. Not at all familiar with AMD OC doe, curious to try doe
Note 2: I intend on using my existing OS Drive with the new System, not for ever, just a while until i can get a new SSD for the new System.
So, if there are any major issues with using an old Intel System drive with an AMD system, do tell.

Note 3:

I already have a PSU, the MSI MPG A850GF 850W

OS Drive n Storage Drive, and GPU
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Onto my main questions.

1) Which CPU/Build will handle multitasking better? (Like not take away from the main application while having others running well) 
Considering the Intel CPUs have more Cores id assume they would better at that.. but im not sure.

2....) Its fine to keep a System ontop of a motherboard box right? 
I intend to just... build the new build, and plop it onto the Mobo box which will be on my desk. 
*looks at Case pricing*
Cuz aint no way im spending that much on a metal box when i have a perfectly good cardboard one i could use.
Not right away atleast.

 

Warframe especially like 3D v-cache. The game otherwise gets heavily framerate limited if you're in high player/NPC dense areas, like any SP endurance mission where the mob density gets intense.

 

The differences in those types of games, MMO or MMO-like games, tracks pretty consistently between something like the 7800x3D vs 7700x vs 14600k. I'd consider the latter two on par and the 7800x3D in a class on its own. Its primarily for the higher minimums rather than a substantially higher maximum, aka, a more consistantly high framerate.

 

Extra monitors are mostly a GPU and RAM limitation than a CPU one, games like Warframe have fairly low CPU utilization. It'll be at most 60% when I test it in a 8+0 configuration on my 7950x3D. 7800x3D can sustain 4.9GHz easy at 100% loading too, so having background tasks that don't force you to 100% utilization constantly should be sufficient.

 

There's always the 7950x3D if you're worried, which I'm glad I got instead. I however frequently use the extra cores, something I missed when I went from a 3950x to 5800x3D to then this 7950x3D.

[Failure 101]

25 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

For ram, get 6000 CL30 ram. Do not go beyond that.

 

No, Get a damn case. If you are spending this much money on a system,  put it in a damn case. You can get a Fractal Pop for like 80$.

 

Cooler, Id get a 280/360 if you go 7800x3D route, not 420. Since 420 is gonna require a much bigger case.

 

For the multi tasking issue, it really comes down to what you are doing. Remember that the Intel cpus are Actually 6 core and 8 cores, not 12-24 cores. Those e-cores tend to be for back ground stuff and are not used for the primary programs.

 

Intel tends to be better if you are doing certain tasks with Adobe, but AMD has been more then enough and can it done just as well.

6400 is fine for intel 

[Agall]

7 minutes ago, Failure 101 said:

6400 is fine for intel 

For Intel too, there's those 6000MHz CL30 30-36-36-76 kits. Maybe some people can get those stable with Ryzen 7000, but they're XMP 3.0 only kits probably for a reason.

[DennyPhantom]

20 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

The ecores are for background tasks but considering you play games i think 7800x3d is best here

 

It also helps that amd boards are cheaper (for adequate boards), have an upgrade path, and are overbuilt asf, heck you dont even need a b650 tomahawk since even the b650m hdv has 14 total usb a + 2 usb c (6+1 rear 8+1 internal), vrms capable of handling an overclocked 7950x, and ddr5 10000+ capability, the entry level is already more than what most ppl will need

 

Technically yes but as a veteran of putting my testbench ontop a cardboard box for the past 4 years its pretty messy, main benifit being extremely quick hardware swaps where you can assemble a working computer in under 5 minutes

 

Just spend the 40-60€ on a half decent case, maybe cases like the kolink hf/observatory mesh, tecware forge m, etc. If you really wanna be cheap look for used cases, might even be able to get a free one from someone wanting to throw away a case

But is the 7800x3d still best when considering i need the DDR5 ram? But have DDR4 for the intel ones

[DennyPhantom]

36 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

For ram, get 6000 CL30 ram. Do not go beyond that.

 

No, Get a damn case. If you are spending this much money on a system,  put it in a damn case. You can get a Fractal Pop for like 80$.

 

Cooler, Id get a 280/360 if you go 7800x3D route, not 420. Since 420 is gonna require a much bigger case.

 

For the multi tasking issue, it really comes down to what you are doing. Remember that the Intel cpus are Actually 6 core and 8 cores, not 12-24 cores. Those e-cores tend to be for back ground stuff and are not used for the primary programs.

 

Intel tends to be better if you are doing certain tasks with Adobe, but AMD has been more then enough and can it done just as well.

Would you say its better to go Intel, Save the money id need to use for AMD (since i have DDR4 3600, and would need to spend 130Euro to get DDR5 for AMD)
And use that coin to get a proper Case?

 

[Shimejii]

12 minutes ago, DennyPhantom said:

Would you say its better to go Intel, Save the money id need to use for AMD (since i have DDR4 3600, and would need to spend 130Euro to get DDR5 for AMD)
And use that coin to get a proper Case?

 

i mean its gonna come down to what you want to do and if you want to spend the extra. the AMD platform should have 2 more CPU gens at minimum so you have some more flexibility there. For cost if you really need to then the 13600k is more then enough for most  people. If you plan on getting a 4080/7900XT type GPU id recommend the 7800x3D, But if you are going to be on the 4060-4070 type then it just comes down to what games. Some games REALLY benefit from the Vcache, some not so much.

 

The overclocking thing you arent going to have much luck on either platform. These CPUS dont really have all that much wiggle room for OC.

 

 

[DennyPhantom]

18 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

i mean its gonna come down to what you want to do and if you want to spend the extra. the AMD platform should have 2 more CPU gens at minimum so you have some more flexibility there. For cost if you really need to then the 13600k is more then enough for most  people. If you plan on getting a 4080/7900XT type GPU id recommend the 7800x3D, But if you are going to be on the 4060-4070 type then it just comes down to what games. Some games REALLY benefit from the Vcache, some not so much.

 

The overclocking thing you arent going to have much luck on either platform. These CPUS dont really have all that much wiggle room for OC.

 

 

I definitely do plan on upgrading to a better GPU eventually. 
I plan on using the new platform for atleast 5 years.
(been using my 6600k platform for 8 years now)

And, just to make sure.
The E-Cores on the new Intel CPUs, they are more for background updates n stuff? 
And not for running a game in the background?
Lets say i use Bluestacks to emulate a game or two. 
Or have videos playing on the side. 
Or leave a game running (lets say a Factory type game) Its running in the back, while i play/do something else.
Would the E-Cores matter then, or is it still just something the big boy cores handle. 

Because if the use for Ecores is that limited, then yea the 7800x3D is a better choose.