Madison reveals experiences working at LMG

[ChaitanyaDS]

With Madison’s claims and ltt’s issues, do you think that the decline of Linus media group is here?

[GuiltySpark_]

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[Senzelian]

Nope.

[RatKnight]

3 minutes ago, HesCalledTheStig said:

I think if something is found and they show that they have taken actions agains that person or persons, people will be forgiving. But I agree, if nothing is found there will be accusations of a cover up. 

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news... This isn't a logical type of debate where things make sense.  What we are looking at right now is a mob, not a group of logically thinking people.  The only thing that will satiate a mob like this is metaphorical blood.  Anything short of LMG ceasing to exist as a company (ofc then they will be all sad that all those folks are out of a job, and how could this happen?) or Linus leaving the company.

 

Even if you find people are responsible, even if you fire those people, there will be a large number of people screeching that the rot goes to the top.

 

At the end of the day, I think the long term impacts to LMG will be relatively minor.  They will take a week or two off of production, hopefully unfuck themselves on that, and say NOTHING about the Madison stuff that hasn't already been said until the investigation by the 3rd party is done.  If they haven't already, they should be engaged with whatever legal firm they have on retainer in case a lawsuit of some kind comes from this, and to keep them from saying something legally problematic.  I am very happy they have managed to get Linus to keep his mouth shut so far, since the inital post.  I expect we will see more complaints as everything going forward coming out of LMG will probably be corpo speak.

 

Madison, I hope, is seeing a therapist actively (for both existing mental health issues, and to help cope with what is coming her way right now), and that she is engaged with an attorney.  I think it is unlikely LMG sues her, but it is not out of the question if the report comes back and finds no evidence of any wrongdoing on their part.  They could prove, in court, significant damages to both revenue and reputation, and my understanding is that under Canadian law it would be up to her to prove any of this was true.  I really wish she would have consulted a lawyer before she did a late night twitter thread, to make sure she was covered from a legal liability standpoint.

[HesCalledTheStig]

4 minutes ago, RatKnight said:

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news... This isn't a logical type of debate where things make sense.  What we are looking at right now is a mob, not a group of logically thinking people.  The only thing that will satiate a mob like this is metaphorical blood.  Anything short of LMG ceasing to exist as a company (ofc then they will be all sad that all those folks are out of a job, and how could this happen?) or Linus leaving the company.

 

Even if you find people are responsible, even if you fire those people, there will be a large number of people screeching that the rot goes to the top.

 

At the end of the day, I think the long term impacts to LMG will be relatively minor.  They will take a week or two off of production, hopefully unfuck themselves on that, and say NOTHING about the Madison stuff that hasn't already been said until the investigation by the 3rd party is done.  If they haven't already, they should be engaged with whatever legal firm they have on retainer in case a lawsuit of some kind comes from this, and to keep them from saying something legally problematic.  I am very happy they have managed to get Linus to keep his mouth shut so far, since the inital post.  I expect we will see more complaints as everything going forward coming out of LMG will probably be corpo speak.

 

Madison, I hope, is seeing a therapist actively (for both existing mental health issues, and to help cope with what is coming her way right now), and that she is engaged with an attorney.  I think it is unlikely LMG sues her, but it is not out of the question if the report comes back and finds no evidence of any wrongdoing on their part.  They could prove, in court, significant damages to both revenue and reputation, and my understanding is that under Canadian law it would be up to her to prove any of this was true.  I really wish she would have consulted a lawyer before she did a late night twitter thread, to make sure she was covered from a legal liability standpoint.

Sadly you are right. So many are out for blood without thinking rationally. 

[castlev]

49 minutes ago, Real_Smoky said:

You might be surprised by this, but most people think that unstable individuals still retain their human rights and dignity. Weird concept, I know. Maybe your therapist can explain it to you. 

I'm sure that if I had a therapist, they would agree that food poisoning is a better excuse for calling out sick than taking a knife to your leg. However, you don't need a psych degree to know that, nor is there any evidence to back up her claim that they *would have* denied her sick day considering she *didn't even pick up the phone* to attempt to call out.

[imreloadin]

7 hours ago, mikaelus said:

And what did he say specifically?

 

7 hours ago, avgvstvs said:

It would be great if you could share a printscreen or at least source it? Who is Colin? Where can i find "what he said"?

It's been posted multiple times in this thread already, literally just go back on like page 93 or 94...

[castlev]

50 minutes ago, Booch121 said:

Exactly, she didn't even attempt to call out, she went straight for the knife.

[RatKnight]

2 minutes ago, imreloadin said:

 

It's been posted multiple times in this thread already, literally just go back on like page 93 or 94...

He, more or less, says that what she posted is in line with what he remembers her telling him:

 

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F1gvzae7nrlib1.jpg

 

This is not corroboration for her claims, it is confirmation that at least to his recollection her story in the twitter thread is consistent with what he remembers her telling him.

 

I am still curious to see if we get former employees actually coming out with similar stories about the work environment.  The fact all we have gotten so far is someone confirming that her story is consistent... which is good for her because it means that she likely isn't making up what she is saying (making up lies are generally hard to keep straight), however that doesn't rule out other possibilities, and I will not speculate on the possible reasons for this because I am neither a licensed therapist or a person who has been through an online twitter bomb.

 

 

[bombaglad]

This whole thread makes me sick. What a bunch of fanboys.

[Middcore]

6 minutes ago, castlev said:

Exactly, she didn't even attempt to call out, she went straight for the knife.

 

She says she got chewed out for calling in sick before, and you're faulting her for not calling in knowing it would just get her chewed out again... ?

[HesCalledTheStig]

2 minutes ago, bombaglad said:

This whole thread makes me sick. What a bunch of fanboys.

We can give LMG the benefit of the doubt without being “fanboys”.  
 

just saying. 

[joey7597]

I sincerely hope this turns out to be misinterpretation between her and the staff at LMG. I know its been said on this thread but from personal experience working in a professional setting there are people who take every little thing and run with it or blow them far out of proportions. I would hate to think how the work environment being described would affect someone like Emily. Ill save any opinions I have on the topic until after the third party investigation has been concluded and the findings published. Best case scenario this leads to a more welcoming work environment and quality of work life improvements at LMG.

 

P.S. I am fairly new to the forum and I have never used a forum website before other then the odd answer from a google search but I am glad to see a lot of the responses are fairly respectful and tame, not all are but most. Its nice to be part of a community that does not feel entirely toxic.

[castlev]

2 minutes ago, Middcore said:

 

She says she got chewed out for calling in sick before, and you're faulting her for not calling in knowing it would just get her chewed out again... ?

Then you quit and hire a lawyer (there are lawyers who will take the fee from a judgement if they are confident in your case, instead of an upfront fee), you don't slice your leg open.

[RatKnight]

5 minutes ago, bombaglad said:

This whole thread makes me sick. What a bunch of fanboys.

I am not a fanboy.

 

I just think that we can treat the person making the accusations with support and respect, while still assuming that the accused did nothing wrong and waiting for the outcome of the investigation.

 

None of us here know the details of what happened, and the perceptions of everyone involved will be tainted by time and emotion.  We will see what the investigation says.

[RatKnight]

Just now, castlev said:

Then you quit and hire a lawyer (there are lawyers who will take the fee from a judgement if they are confident in your case, instead of an upfront fee), you don't slice your leg open.

Don't even need to hire a lawyer, you call the labor board.  That is, blatantly illegal.  They could have requested a doctors note (my employer does this for people who call out a lot), but if she was chewed out for using her leave she could have filed a complaint.

 

Someone I work with files complaints for EVERYTHING.  You have to eggshell walk around them, and not really interact.  They have the most secure job in history.

[HesCalledTheStig]

1 minute ago, RatKnight said:

I am not a fanboy.

 

I just think that we can treat the person making the accusations with support and respect, while still assuming that the accused did nothing wrong and waiting for the outcome of the investigation.

 

None of us here know the details of what happened, and the perceptions of everyone involved will be tainted by time and emotion.  We will see what the investigation says.

This right here.  
 

Too many people are instantly out for blood without actually allowing for either side to fully present their case and any evidence to back up claims or defend themselves.  

[mikaelus]

23 minutes ago, imreloadin said:

 

It's been posted multiple times in this thread already, literally just go back on like page 93 or 94...

So, basically, he said she told him the same story. Waw... talk about evidence, lol.

[mikaelus]

4 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

It would be nice if the choir of people screeching "defamation lawsuit" and "Madison is in legal trouble now" could stop. Spreading misinformation trying to scare people speaking up is despicable.

As is lying about someone else for publicity.

[tinverse]

I just don't know what to say. It seems like Madison was only with LTT for a very short time and I thought she would be up there with Linus, Brandon, and Anthony (Emily?) as one of my favorite hosts in time. I really want to believe Linus will make sure this is right because I do think he has a good track record of fixing mistakes as they happen. I don't know if there is a way for LMG to make this right, and I feel bad for Madison because I think she's telling the truth about her experience.

 

Also, some of you all are so caught up on a lawsuit it's dumb. Most things never go to a lawsuit and it doesn't look like Madison is pursuing a lawsuit, which means there won't be a lawsuit period.

[Booch121]

27 minutes ago, castlev said:

Exactly, she didn't even attempt to call out, she went straight for the knife.

she literally said she didn't attempt to because she would be harassed about why. ur so weird

[RatKnight]

5 minutes ago, HenrySalayne said:

What a bunch of condescending BS! You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

It's laughable what people come up with to "protect Madison from herself".

Madison has the right to express her thoughts, feelings and experiences without an legal implications.

 

 

Defamation is something completely different. It requires a false assertion of fact. And good luck proving that in court.

 

It would be nice if the choir of people screeching "defamation lawsuit" and "Madison is in legal trouble now" could stop. Spreading misinformation trying to scare people speaking up is despicable.

Canadian law differs.

 

It is up to the defendant to prove that their statements were true: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-298.html  https://kellywarnerlaw.com/chart-differences-between-united-states-and-canadian-defamation-law

 

My intent is not to be condescending, it is simply to express that I hope she is getting the help she needs both for her obvious and stated mental health issues, and the amount of shit that will be flying her way from people who don't care about anything except defending their favorite creator.

 

Basing your opinions on American law, and then accusing others of spreading misinformation is definitely an interesting tactic.  

[VoidX]

This corporate behavior usually goes hand in hand with forcing overworking. When the GN video dropped, I was stupid enough to support both of their views, but now it's clear that LMG has huge problems. I'm naive enough to think that this can change, but I've seen enough small to medium companies to know it's unlikely.

[Kiwamu]

12 minutes ago, castlev said:

Then you quit and hire a lawyer (there are lawyers who will take the fee from a judgement if they are confident in your case, instead of an upfront fee), you don't slice your leg open.

I'm beyond believe by comments akin to yours that don't show a thread of empathy or think that because your reaction is the sensible one to you, everybody should act that way. Humans are different and have different reactions. Some can brush stuff off and go through (your sanctioned) channels to remedy a situation; others have a far more harsher reaction as they see no way out.

 

12 minutes ago, castlev said:

Then you quit [...]

Sure, and what is she doing inbetween with bills? It's not all black and white. Litigation can even be costly and lenghty. Though assuming she would have no ligitation costs what would she do going to court with her living expenses? 

 

12 minutes ago, castlev said:

[...] hire a lawyer (there are lawyers who will take the fee from a judgement if they are confident in your case, instead of an upfront fee), [...]

So she not only has to find a lawyer willing to take her case, she also has to find a lawyer working pro bono for the time being, meaning she would need to ask every lawyer if they would be willing to work for free, then unpack the case and if they decline do so again, relieving her alleged abuse. Those lawyers need to pref. live in the area of the incident where it probably will go to trial. 

 

So your simple quit and get a free lawyer sounds nice on paper but that's all.

[R3L__1990]

2 hours ago, dago_mcj said:

Well, to the best of my knowledge it was jimbo. But let me make clear, just because he's said the phrase once on camera, doesn't necessarily mean he was the person who told Madison to do the same. But odds are odds.  I like his demeanor on camera, but I'm afraid I've also opened pandora's box. Maybe don't fire him? How about a demotion and make Riley head writer instead? Please? Don't ruin a career just because I brought up internet drama.

Not going to lie thats who I was thinking as well.

 

I never actually used to like him just didnt like his ego but as time went on it actually grew on me and now I like him.