I Will FIX Your Wifi

[TannerMcCoolman]

Colton's WiFi is just like his work ethic: it SUCKS! How can we solve this problem? Ethernet? Maybe, but why worry about running new cables when he's got plenty in his walls. MoCA and Powerline will get his house in order and get his internet running smoothly so he can once again become gainfully employed.

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[Middcore]

Colton's wife laughing at them makes this video.

 

Fuck the totaled Tesla, I want to know more about that van (?) in the garage now.

[Michael Sutherlund]

The cable coming in from the garage isn’t connected to the rest of the house. That’s coming from the grid. You would need two internal coax connections, not one coming from outside.   

[MetalMan1245]

Could I run USB and/or HDMI to ethernet adaptors over this?  I have a PC that I want to be able to use in my house and in the garage where my recording studio is, but power is the only thing run there.  I'll assume for now it's on the same breaker for argument's sake.  Could I run my peripeeals through the powerline adapter.

[JEskandari]

at least my wifi is consistent . luckily I don't play online games

 

 

by the way isn't it always better when you want to put a hole in the wall , drill from inside not outside 

[xnamkcor]

Would an active cable internet connection interfere or be interfered by MoCA?

[dogwitch]

finale.... i will know if i have fired coltan or not.... with wifi!

[BJET]

36 minutes ago, xnamkcor said:

Would an active cable internet connection interfere or be interfered by MoCA?

Satellite Yes, but normal cable Internet/TV No. The frequency used by MoCA is higher than the frequency used by basic cable Internet/TV from what I understand. I have 3 Motorola MoCA Adapters set up with no issues one of them even has a 300ft run with a whopping 3 ping. Just make sure your splitters are compatible

The splitters I use - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PRYWD81?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

 

[AbydosOne]

47 minutes ago, xnamkcor said:

Would an active cable internet connection interfere or be interfered by MoCA?

No, different RF bands. Cable internet is <950MHz; MoCA is >1GHz.

 

3 hours ago, TannerMcCoolman said:

MoCA and Powerline will get his house in order and get his internet running smoothly

This is one of the LTT videos where I wish they sent the intern/new guy to Colton's house the week before to arrange everything for the shoot so that we could see wifi, MoCA, and powerline all working at the same time and not "lol whichever one we get to work because we didn't plan ahead". Not doing MoCA because "no $5 tool lol" is basically unjustifiable to me. I get that production schedules exist, but I think this is more of a problem than LTT realizes, and proper coverage is paramount.

I'm a big MoCA evangelist (even though I don't use it anymore because my condo came with cat5e in the walls already yeah boi; had MoCA at my old apartment and it was amazing compared to powerline), and seeing it half-assed like this doesn't do it any justice. I hope that LTT can do a proper MoCA video soon-ish-ly. IMO, powerline (unless it's gotten that much better since I last toyed with it), probably wasn't linking much faster than Colton's 100Mbps connection speed (especially when being used explicitly against recommendation, i.e. through power strips), which is more what really matters. MoCA is good for 1Gbps at least. Linus could have shown a lot more using iperf3 instead of just ping tests (ping tests tell you basically nothing aside from "is the other end there"), comparing linkup speeds instead of just unloaded latency numbers. Trust me, moving files over powerline is an arduous task at 10MBps.

 

Sorry for the minor rant; I've just got over troubleshooting a packet loss issue on my own network (tl;dr: the Flex XGs from yesterday's video have a firmware bug), so I'm keenly aware of what other things are going on besides ping times, and what other factors are at play.

 

3 minutes ago, BJET said:

I just want to flex on you a little...

 

 

I have that ping out to the internet Also, fellow Terminal app user, I see.

[BJET]

2 minutes ago, AbydosOne said:

No, different RF bands. Cable internet is <950MHz; MoCA is >1GHz.

 

This is one of the LTT videos where I wish they sent the intern/new guy to Colton's house the week before to arrange everything for the shoot so that we could see wifi, MoCA, and powerline all working at the same time and not "lol whichever one we get to work because we didn't plan ahead". Not doing MoCA because "no $5 tool lol" is basically unjustifiable to me. I get that production schedules exist, but I think this is more of a problem than LTT realizes, and proper coverage is paramount.

I'm a big MoCA evangelist (even though I don't use it anymore because my condo came with cat5e in the walls already yeah boi; had MoCA at my old apartment and it was amazing compared to powerline), and seeing it half-assed like this doesn't do it any justice. I hope that LTT can do a proper MoCA video soon-ish-ly. IMO, powerline (unless it's gotten that much better since I last toyed with it), probably wasn't linking much faster than Colton's 100Mbps connection speed (especially when being used explicitly against recommendation, i.e. through power strips), which is more what really matters. MoCA is good for 1Gbps at least. Linus could have shown a lot more using iperf3 instead of just ping tests (ping tests tell you basically nothing aside from "is the other end there"), comparing linkup speeds instead of just unloaded latency numbers. Trust me, moving files over powerline is an arduous task at 10MBps.

 

Sorry for the minor rant; I've just got over troubleshooting a packet loss issue on my own network (tl;dr: the Flex XGs from yesterday's video have a firmware bug), so I'm keenly aware of what other things are going on besides ping times, and what other factors are at play.

 

I just want to flex on you a little...

 

 

I have that ping out to the internet

I wish man, My ISP is "supposed to" run fiber soon (That's what they keeps telling everyone)
 

[JustinForce]

To be honest, I work at a television and internet provider in the Netherlands and still use Coax cables for television and getting signal to the modem. Never heard of moca before and we don't use it, so it was very interesting to watch this video. We have also tried powerline adaptors, but that still does not fit our customers needs and still sometimes causes problems. To be honest, I believe coaxial cables are very prone to interference, fiber optic cables work better in my opinion and are the future.

Instead, we are using more TP-Link Deco M4s as access points and disabling the Wi-Fi function on the modem. So the modem is still the router without wifi and the TP-Link Deco M4s provide the wifi network which is better distributed. The other advantage is that you have more LAN ports in the house that are more spread out.

Maybe it would be interesting for Linus Media Group to get in touch with a television or Internet provider to dive deeper into this kind of issue, maybe you can help them improve their services or learn from them how television and Internet work. How the connection is established from the provider to the customer Can be a very interesting and informative video to watch.

[dogwitch]

2 hours ago, BJET said:

I wish man, My ISP is "supposed to" run fiber soon (That's what they keeps telling everyone)
 

my isp in town has said that for 5 years....

[xnamkcor]

3 hours ago, BJET said:

I wish man, My ISP is "supposed to" run fiber soon (That's what they keeps telling everyone)
 

Doesn't "fiber" just mean a the backbone is fiber, but you still interface at the residential level via coaxial?

 

PS: If the cable company did bring fiber into a house, would you need a special modem, or would a SFP switch with the right module be enough?

 

PPS: Imagine someone going back in time and introducing MoCA instead of thinnet or thicknet coaxial.

 

PPPS: "Hey, Colton, do you have an Ethernet cable?".
Yeah, he just shoved one through the wall.

[XNOR]

21 minutes ago, xnamkcor said:

Doesn't "fiber" just mean a the backbone is fiber, but you still interface at the residential level via coaxial?

 

PS: If the cable company did bring fiber into a house, would you need a special modem, or would a SFP switch with the right module be enough?

 

PPS: Imagine someone going back in time and introducing MoCA instead of thinnet or thicknet coaxial.

Fiber can mean both fiber to the home (FTTH), where the fiber actually runs into your house, and so called fiber to the curb (FTTC), where the last stretch is copper. These are often used interchangeably, so pay close attention to what you're actually getting while ordering. People have been gravely disappointed by getting FTTC when expecting FTTH. FTTH is not uncommon is some parts of the world.

 

The implementation I've seen most is a small, separate converter box which takes in the fiber and outputs ethernet, which is then routed the regular fashion into a router/firewall/switch box. Some people got a personal router with the appropriate SFP module working, though there seem to be a couple of pitfalls in terms of picking the correct module, configuration and lack of support. There may be ISPs that provide such a setup, but I haven't seen any.

[AbydosOne]

1 hour ago, xnamkcor said:

Doesn't "fiber" just mean a the backbone is fiber, but you still interface at the residential level via coaxial?

Some systems are true FTTH (Fiber To The Home).

 

1 hour ago, xnamkcor said:

PS: If the cable company did bring fiber into a house, would you need a special modem, or would a SFP switch with the right module be enough?

Yes, generally you need some device to act as a router to segregate the outer internet from your intranet.

 

1 hour ago, xnamkcor said:

PPPS: "Hey, Colton, do you have an Ethernet cable?".
Yeah, he just shoved one through the wall.

Wasn't that coax?

[xnamkcor]

13 minutes ago, AbydosOne said:

Yes, generally you need some device to act as a router to segregate the outer internet from your intranet.

Yeah, the switch with SFP has ethernet ports that can be VLAN'd to a router.

 

 

14 minutes ago, AbydosOne said:

Wasn't that coax?

Which is a perfectly viable Ethernet cable.

[AbydosOne]

6 minutes ago, xnamkcor said:

Yeah, the switch with SFP has ethernet ports that can be VLAN'd to a router.

VLANing isn't routing. You can use a switch with VLANs to do medium conversion, but you still need a routing device.

 

8 minutes ago, xnamkcor said:

Which is a perfectly viable Ethernet cable.

Coax != Ethernet i.e. Cat5e/6/6a.

 

Coax is a single conductor with a dielectric around it and a shield around that (the second conductor). Ethernet is four pairs of twisted pair conductors.

[xnamkcor]

16 minutes ago, AbydosOne said:

VLANing isn't routing. You can use a switch with VLANs to do medium conversion, but you still need a routing device.

I literally said "VLAN'd to a router.". To. A. Router.
Where is the routing device? That would be the Router I mentioned in the phrase "to a router".

The only reason I mentioned VLAN is because otherwise I would be using a 24-port Switch for two whole ports just to media convert from fiber to Cat5.

 

16 minutes ago, AbydosOne said:

Coax != Ethernet i.e. Cat5e/6/6a.

Ethernet is not a cable. It's a protocol. Both Cat5 and Coax are perfectly valid cables for Ethernet.

 

16 minutes ago, AbydosOne said:

Ethernet is four pairs of twisted pair conductors.

False.
And even if you are referring to Cat5, I'm about 88% sure it's only two Twisted Pairs. One Tx, and one Rx.

[AbydosOne]

34 minutes ago, xnamkcor said:

Ethernet cable

8 minutes ago, xnamkcor said:

Ethernet is not a cable

So which is it? /s

 

I think the vast majority of people here colloquially think of RJ45 + Cat5e/6/6a rated 8C cable = 1000BaseT Ethernet, not RG-6 coax (or any of the other possible mediums).

 

9 minutes ago, xnamkcor said:

False.
And even if you are referring to Cat5, I'm about 88% sure it's only two Twisted Pairs. One Tx, and one Rx.

Gigabit ethernet (i.e. probably about 95% of what's out there right now) is 802.3ab-1999, which requires four pairs. Yes, you can do 10/100 on two pairs, but generally at the present, you'll need four pairs for optimal performance.

 

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"Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in the mud; after a while you realize you are muddy and the pig is enjoying it."

[mynameisjuan]

18 hours ago, JustinForce said:

Maybe it would be interesting for Linus Media Group to get in touch with a television or Internet provider to dive deeper into this kind of issue, maybe you can help them improve their services or learn from them how television and Internet work. How the connection is established from the provider to the customer Can be a very interesting and informative video to watch

I've been in the service provider space my entire career and would be glad to provide details with LTT or @LinusTech  and would be an opportunity to clear up a lot of the misconceptions. That said, in their typical time span, it would end up being a general overview and similar to many other YouTuber videos attempting to do the same. There is too much to cover in detail without first explaining the fundamentals. Honestly would not be that interesting unless the focus was on misconceptions or details behind specific scenarios.

[Vishera]

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wiREleSs iS bAd anD You gUyS KnOw iT,  yOu hAVe aLL eXpEriENcEd iT

Linus should come and see what a high end wireless setup looks like...

Fiber + high end router + high end PCI-E Wi-Fi card is the best way to go about it.

And of course signal strength and distance are very important so keep that in mind.

 

Anyway with my Wi-Fi setup the ping is low and the link speed between the router to the PCI-E Wi-Fi card is usually at 1.5Gb/s and never dips below 1Gb\s which is better than my 1Gb/s LAN ports can do.

 

My experience has been great, no issues at all.

 

[PAPO1990]

7 minutes ago, Vishera said:

Linus should come and see what a high end wireless setup looks like...

Fiber + high end router + high end PCI-E Wi-Fi card is the best way to go about it.

And of course signal strength and distance are very important so keep that in mind.

 

Anyway with my Wi-Fi setup the ping is as low as ethernet and the link speed between the router to the PCI-E Wi-Fi card is usually at 1.5Gb/s and never dips below 1Gb\s which is better than my 1Gb/s LAN ports can do.

 

My experience has been great, no issues at all.

Lucky you, I have the best WiFi I've ever had, but I'm in a big house, with THICC solid stone walls, and weird interference. Some parts of the house it's good, but WiFi is NEVER as reliable and consistent as ethernet can be. You just might need to upgrade to 2.5Gb Ethernet gear. WiFi is also shared, so the more WiFi devices you have, the slower ALL of them will be.

 

Unfortunately I'm having a hard time finding MoCA adaptors in Australia.

[Vishera]

22 minutes ago, PAPO1990 said:

Lucky you

There is no luck here - It's just setup and configured taking into consideration anything that can hurt performance and providing solutions to those problems.

When you setup your Wi-Fi i recommend to do some planning and research in order to avoid issues.

 

22 minutes ago, PAPO1990 said:

I have the best WiFi I've ever had, but I'm in a big house, with THICC solid stone walls, and weird interference. Some parts of the house it's good, but WiFi is NEVER as reliable and consistent as ethernet can be.

All of these depend on your setup and configuration, Wi-Fi is more complex to setup properly than Ethernet, the simplicity of Ethernet makes it easier to setup a reliable connection.

But it doesn't mean that you can't do that with Wi-Fi - It's just more complex and costs a lot more money.

 

22 minutes ago, PAPO1990 said:

You just might need to upgrade to 2.5Gb Ethernet gear. WiFi is also shared, so the more WiFi devices you have, the slower ALL of them will be.

The thing is with my setup there is a lot of headroom - lots of it, the bandwidth sharing was taken into consideration when planning this Wi-Fi setup.

[PAPO1990]

22 hours ago, Vishera said:

There is no luck here - It's just setup and configured taking into consideration anything that can hurt performance and providing solutions to those problems.

When you setup your Wi-Fi i recommend to do some planning and research in order to avoid issues.

 

All of these depend on your setup and configuration, Wi-Fi is more complex to setup properly than Ethernet, the simplicity of Ethernet makes it easier to setup a reliable connection.

But it doesn't mean that you can't do that with Wi-Fi - It's just more complex and costs a lot more money.

 

The thing is with my setup there is a lot of headroom - lots of it, the bandwidth sharing was taken into consideration when planning this Wi-Fi setup.

The thing is not ALL problems can be solved. outside interference is not entirely avoidable, and it all started when they installed a new power transformer on the pole across the street, no fixing that. I don't exactly want to go spending a bunch of money on more AP's either, and even if I DID then I'd want ethernet connections between them.

 

I've done plenty of planning, 2.4Ghz covers the house pretty well from the single AP, but only for something like my laptop, the smaller antennae on things like phones make the coverage a lot less reliable for those devices. A dedicated hard wired connection is ALWAYS better than wireless. In my case, the cable TV/ cable internet wiring in my house is currently used for NOTHING, so MoCA would have it all to itself, and assuming no weirdness, WILL be better than WiFi OR powerline, and powerline is ALREADY better than WiFi upstairs.

 

If you have the opportunity to plan out your whole house before you build it, and your surrounding environment THEN you can actually plan things out for the best possible WiFi, but I've got thick stone walls with no cavities I couldn't just plan to use a different building material.

 

Always use wired whenever possible, because not only is it better for the devices that are hard wired (you also can't always plan on a device having good WiFi hardware in it) but it's better for everything that HAS to be on WiFi to have less devices using it.

[kushari]

Should have just got the ASUS XP4 or the newly announced Deco PX50.