Returnal coming to PC but Sony recommends 32GB of RAM

[AlexGoesHigh]

5 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

what was wrong with that in your opinion?  the game runs perfectly fine for me.

I should have been more specific, but when the game came out it ran like ass on anything that wasn't greater that a 10th gen i7, RTX 2070 and the game installed on a NVME SSD. it got patched overtime and it fine now but it was awful for budget rigs and some mid to high end systems on release, look up the steam reviews when the game came out.

[Mark Kaine]

1 hour ago, Chiyawa said:

I don't suppose you can stream your game session using PS5, right?

why? this has been a feature since ps4, ps3 had also the ability,  but it was never actually implemented in the os afaik (recording was though it had to be implemented on a per game basis)

 

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/games/ps5-stream-gameplay-broadcast/

 

 

24 minutes ago, AlexGoesHigh said:

I should have been more specific, but when the game came out it ran like ass on anything that wasn't greater that a 10th gen i7, RTX 2070 and the game installed on a NVME SSD. it got patched overtime and it fine now but it was awful for budget rigs and some mid to high end systems on release, look up the steam reviews when the game came out.

ah, ok, yeah i can see that, at least they fixed it (its still kind of a resource hog lol, but runs fine)

[Chiyawa]

14 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

why? this has been a feature since ps4, ps3 had also the ability,  but it was never actually implemented in the os afaik (recording was though it had to be implemented on a per game basis)

Oh, I thought you couldn't broadcast your gameplay during gaming in PS5. I saw many streamers stream their game using a PC and have their PS5 connect using a capture card.

[Mark Kaine]

37 minutes ago, Chiyawa said:

Oh, I thought you couldn't broadcast your gameplay during gaming in PS5. I saw many streamers stream their game using a PC and have their PS5 connect using a capture card.

hmm, maybe for quality reasons,  but it should definitely work with a ps5. 

[porina]

7 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

but not maxxed out... if 32 is really a final requirement , im kinda looking forward to the shitstorm steam reviews etc will be lol. 

I look at it two ways. I do buy the theory earlier that it ideally requires some amount over 16GB, so they rounded to 32GB since hardly anyone will have an intermediate amount.

 

The other is, at some point games will need more ram than is common now. It doesn't feel like that long ago when we were asking if 8GB was still enough, and we have kinda moved onto 16GB for now. 32GB as a higher end requirement will come at some point, especially in DDR5 era where the lower capacity modules have a further performance loss relative to larger due to their configuration.

 

6 hours ago, Kisai said:

So that means needing at least 50% more CPU, GPU and RAM than the console since a PC doesn't have GDDR6 (which is likely 30% faster than DDR4 in a PC,) and isn't guaranteed to have PCIe4 SSD's which are required in PS5's.

PS5 ram bandwidth is 448 GB/s, but keep in mind that is shared with both CPU and GPU. The 'X has a split 10GB at 560GB/s and 6GB at 336GB/s which you could say averages to about the same ball park.

 

DDR4 doesn't even come close to that. The fastest officially supported speed on both sides is 3200, which at dual channel gives 50GB/s, nearly an order of magnitude less.

 

Of course, that's only for the CPU part and such bandwidths aren't needed as much there. It may be considered practically unlimited as far as the CPU is concerned.

 

The real benefit is for the GPU. The recommended 2070S GPU for the game has 496GB/s so similar ball park to the consoles. 6700 XT is 384GB/s but the effective is somewhere higher than that due to cache.

[Giganthrax]

I couldnt care less about Returnal, but it does surprise me how console exclusives are getting to PC faster and faster nowadays.

 

I wonder why that is. It could be that the devs just dont want to sign 100% exclusivity deals anymore. Or it could be that the PC gaming market is larger than before and therefore more lucrative for Sony.

[Kisai]

3 hours ago, Giganthrax said:

I couldnt care less about Returnal, but it does surprise me how console exclusives are getting to PC faster and faster nowadays.

 

I wonder why that is. It could be that the devs just dont want to sign 100% exclusivity deals anymore. Or it could be that the PC gaming market is larger than before and therefore more lucrative for Sony.

Last of Us part 1 (Release March 2023)

 

God of War (Released Jan 2022)

 

It think ultimately Sony sees the writing on the wall. If and when the "Playstation 6" becomes a thing, it's likely that there will be no reason to buy it over a PC. Usually what happens is that the console is the better experience for about 2 years, and then the PC catches back up. However the current price of a PS5 is around $1000, and a RTX 3080 is around $1100. You can't expect a gamer to want to own both a console and a desktop gaming PC, when the console is expensive and the inferior experience after 2 years.

 

[CTR640]

They probably leave it unoptimized so PC gamers will complain about all the issues which gives sony a reason to no longer bring out games for PC.

[Sauron]

Nice, I wanted to play this game but I don't want to buy a PS5 to get it.

 

Recommended specs aren't always accurate, don't worry too much about it. Also recommended doesn't mean they are required for the game to be playable, just for the "high" settings.

[Mark Kaine]

6 hours ago, porina said:

PS5 ram bandwidth is 448 GB/s, but keep in mind that is shared with both CPU and GPU. The 'X has a split 10GB at 560GB/s and 6GB at 336GB/s which you could say averages to about the same ball park.

huh ok i didn't know consoles have much faster ram... that's kinda a killer feature,  could explain the [outrageous] ram requirements for pc.

 

 

44 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Recommended specs aren't always accurate

yeah, but on pc that really means minimum requirement because when people cant max it out its a "shit port" ... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

[Middcore]

48 minutes ago, CTR640 said:

They probably leave it unoptimized so PC gamers will complain about all the issues which gives sony a reason to no longer bring out games for PC.

If they didn't want to bring their games out for PC, they could have just... Not brought them out for PC. Just like they didn't, for years and years.

 

Il "Spend money to port the games to PC but intentionally do a bad job so that when people complain we can use that as a reason to stop releasing them on PC when nothing forced us to do that to begin with" is real galaxy brain stuff but I assure you that is not what they are doing. The conspiracy theorist martyr complex of PC gamers is still going strong as ever though, I see.

[Mark Kaine]

5 hours ago, Giganthrax said:

couldnt care less about Returnal,

same, all i care about are these hilarious ram requirements, it's like *rick flair.gif*

 

this will also likely open the floodgates for higher ram requirements generally,  which might be a good thing (or not)

 

 

57 minutes ago, CTR640 said:

They probably leave it unoptimized so PC gamers will complain about all the issues which gives sony a reason to no longer bring out games for PC.

that's my secret pov as well tbth 

 

[porina]

4 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

huh ok i didn't know consoles have much faster ram... that's kinda a killer feature,  could explain the [outrageous] ram requirements for pc.

As I said, it is mainly for the benefit of the GPU. The CPU just gets a free ride on it.

 

4 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

yeah, but on pc that really means minimum requirement because when people cant max it out its a "shit port" ... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

If you want max settings you usually needed more than recommended, which I see as a reasonable setting for the masses.

[BabaGanuche]

6 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

huh ok i didn't know consoles have much faster ram... that's kinda a killer feature,  could explain the [outrageous] ram requirements for pc.

While GDDR will have more bandwidth than DDR it also has higher latency than DDR, so in some cases it would be worse.

 

There is a graph comparing the latency of them in the link below.

https://chipsandcheese.com/2021/04/16/measuring-gpu-memory-latency/

[Sauron]

15 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

huh ok i didn't know consoles have much faster ram... that's kinda a killer feature,  could explain the [outrageous] ram requirements for pc.

 

No it doesn't, ram speed and capacity are not interchangeable... and ram having a higher bandwidth doesn't always translate directly into better game performance. The only real raeason it's fast on the ps5 is that it's used as vram as well.