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One more time for AIO orientation... 360mm in Lian Li Lancool II Mesh...

Dedayog
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Looking to put an EK-AIO 360 Basic in a Lian Li Lancool II Mesh...

 

At the 10:30 mark in this video, Steve mentions he doesn't recommend using a 360mm AIO as it would have tubes at top, It can create pump whine and water starvation after permeation sets in.

 

 

Yet, here Jay concerns himself with explaining it away, by saying air only gets trapped on the exit tube not the inlet.

 

 

Basically, I trust Steve more but he did explain away pump orientation previously.

 

So, 360mm AIO with tubes up in Lian Li Lancool II Mesh?

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16 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

So, 360mm AIO with tubes up in Lian Li Lancool II Mesh?

Both guys are correct.

 

Steve's initial video pointed out the issues/symptoms with having the top of the whole loop be in a place where air could eventually get sucked into the pump, causing damage. 

 

Jay's video is in some ways, response to the "takeaway" the community has had since that video that "If you install the cooler this way your AIO will die" in the short term, rather than over the span of 5-10 years where something like an AIO would probably get replaced anyways. He also points out that it's okay to put it in said orientation, since the pump is lower than the top of the radiator end tank. 

 

Most people who will end up reporting issues with their front mounted radiators will have the pump at the top of their loop, where the air gets trapped and causes wear on the pump. For example, a 240mm rad is placed at the front of a case, but at it's lowest position. This means the radiator end tank with the connecting tubes are below the pump.  This is where the most pump whine, and short term life span of the issue truly comes from, since the air is being moved up, and trapped in the pump. 

 

So, placing a 360mm radiator in the front of the case is totally fine. The worst you would experience over the expected life of the cooler would be sloshing of coolant within the end tank and/or tubes. Just place the rad as high as you can possibly get it. 

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3 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

Both guys are correct.

 

Steve's initial video pointed out the issues/symptoms with having the top of the whole loop be in a place where air could eventually get sucked into the pump, causing damage. 

 

Jay's video is in some ways, response to the "takeaway" the community has had since that video that "If you install the cooler this way your AIO will die" in the short term, rather than over the span of 5-10 years where something like an AIO would probably get replaced anyways. He also points out that it's okay to put it in said orientation, since the pump is lower than the top of the radiator end tank. 

 

Most people who will end up reporting issues with their front mounted radiators will have the pump at the top of their loop, where the air gets trapped and causes wear on the pump. For example, a 240mm rad is placed at the front of a case, but at it's lowest position. This means the radiator tubes are below the pump.  This is where the most pump whine, and short term life span of the issue truly comes from. 

 

So, placing a 360mm radiator in the front of the case is totally fine. The worst you would experience over the expected life of the cooler would be sloshing of coolant within the end tank and/or tubes. Just place the rad as high as you can possibly get it. 

Thank you, sir.  Will do.  I'll grab the case tomorrow. Last piece, can finally build.

"Do what makes the experience better" - in regards to PCs and Life itself.

 

Onyx : AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3d / MSI 6900xt Gaming X Trio / Gigabyte B650 AORUS Pro AX / G. Skill Flare X5 6000CL36 32GB / Samsung 980 1TB x3 / Super Flower Leadex V Platinum Pro 850 / EK-AIO 360 Basic / Fractal Design North XL (black mesh) / AOC AGON 35" 3440x1440 100Hz / Mackie CR5BT / Corsair Virtuoso SE / Cherry MX Board 3.0 / Logitech G502

 

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14 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

For example, a 240mm rad is placed at the front of a case, but at it's lowest position. This means the radiator end tank with the connecting tubes are below the pump.  This is where the most pump whine, and short term life span of the issue truly comes from, since the air is being moved up, and trapped in the pump. 

Illustrated this for anyone who need/want a visual aid:

image.png.f8197043598ff1ffc8e329b874b2c148.png

Blue is height of the pump

Red is the height of the installed Cooler

Green is the theoretical height of where the cooler could have been. 

 

In the pre-assembled red position, the chance of air getting into the pump is much greater since the tops of the rads and the pump are very close. If the ports on the pump were installed upwards, it would be ever worse since there's now space above the pump where air could get trapped and get sucked into. 

 

With the 360, you can place the tubes up very high to allow the difference between pump and top of the loop to be further apart, reducing chances of air getting into the pump, but may increase gurgling/sloshing of coolant.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/sTnLrH

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/XcYgXL

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/k7k6Mp

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/Rztp99

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/rsb8TW (Tubes are a bit too high on this one though, which could increase chances of air entering the pump. Would recommend rotating the ports to be below or on the left to lower the tubes)

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/Fpjp99 (same potential)

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/cRjp99 A good example of placing the 240 high even though the possibility of mounting it lower is available

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