Where is AMD heading?

[MooseParade]

The way they've been going, I think the AM3+ socket and FX line is dead. I see AMD concentrating on APU's and CPU's based on APU's just without the IGP on the FM2+ socket. Bring in an unlocked quad core (true CORES, not this module BS) APU with i3 / 250x performance with a $199 price tag and it will sell like hot cakes. 

 

Just wishful thinking.

[Opcode]

AMD is focusing on their APU's. Mobile accounts for a much larger portion of the market share than enthusiast desktop microprocessors. AMD tried investing into the rebirth of the FX for some time now, and it didn't work out for them. So they shifted focus to do what will do them some good for the time being. Beema and Mullins just launched and we will see how well they are adopted by device manufactures seeing as how Mullins beats Bay Trail. Soon enough Excavator will also make its debut and hopefully it will have some goodies such as SATA Express and DDR4 support to come along with it. Tho I honestly don't see AMD making a enthusiast grade microprocessor for a while. You're looking at least 2015 until you might hear wind of one in development. Tho to be quite honest, AMD is really working right now to manipulate the market into their favor. They supported and pushed Mantle, and now they got Microsoft on edge trying to adapt DirectX to a low level API. As new games come out and obviously become heavily threaded, DirectX 12 will show its face and even Zambezi will look completely different than it does now. AMD is setting themselves up for another "FX" type of launch, except this time they have fail safes such as DirectX 12 in their favor. Current FX microprocessors are in fact ahead of their time. They are simply restricted by both limited threaded games and a graphics API that favors core performance.

[Lays]

less heat? sorry but as far as i know intel cpu´s nowdays run alot hotter then AMD FX cpu´s lol

So why do they need to put out less heat?

 

 

They put out more heat, it's just the IHS+die on an AMD cpu is bigger than intels I believe.  And crappy TIM has been a trend lately from Intel.

 

I think the bigger the surface area of the CPU the easier it is to cool it.  I could be wrong though.

[orangecat]

AMD currently owns the APU market and they are top competitors in the desktop GPU market so AMD isn't going anywhere even if they suddenly drop their high end CPUs besides they have lots of money.

[Opcode]

AMD currently owns the APU market and they are top competitors in the desktop GPU market so AMD isn't going anywhere even if they suddenly drop their high end CPUs besides they have lots of money.

Eh. Most of that is true except the last part. AMD hasn't shed a profit in years. The company has been a sinkhole for most of its life. It will be a while before AMD is actually in the green again. The reason they have money to manufacture what they do comes from investors.

[Joshua Ondangan]

most likely more gpu power and a more powerful apu unless amd pull the shit outa their asses and make a new flagship processor that oc to 10 ghz at 20c load on summer time in the middle east (damn that should be hot).

 

I'd say I want to see more from them.

[ItsComrade]

I think that they want to set the world on fire. In all seriousness, they seem to really want to revolutionize the CPU / APU market. Maybe they should learn to not fix what ain't broke.

[Tole2378]

Better gpu coolers

[Scionyde]

I can tell you i live in Europe as well and in the Netherlands Radeon cards are still much cheaper then theire direct Nvidia compatitors, that automaticly make them better value for money cards in my opinnion, for example the R9-290 and GTX780, the GTX780 is arround €50+ more expensive then the 290, and the 290 beats the GTX780 in most gaming benchmarks that ive saw sofar, and that for les money, you life in the UK, which is basicly the same story for pricing if im right?

 

Yeah, pricing seems to be pretty weird. In North America, it's priced more competitively. But according to a thread we had posted here not too long ago, Norway for some reason has really expensive AMD products unlike the rest of Europe? It's strange.  :wacko:

[nj4ck]

less heat? sorry but as far as i know intel cpu´s nowdays run alot hotter then AMD FX cpu´s lol

So why do they need to put out less heat?

AMD's FX 8350 has a TDP of 125W, Intel's 4670k delivers similar performance at an 84W TDP. The only reason Haswell and Ivy-Bridge chips run hotter is because of the crappy TIM used between the IHS and the die. Try delidding a haswell chip and using liquid metal, you'll see it runs much cooler than the AMD equivalent.

[Rageodontist]

I think AMD is going to go into APU's for the consumer grade market and begin to create workstation grade GPU's for open CL and still gaming capable.

[nj4ck]

The way they've been going, I think the AM3+ socket and FX line is dead. I see AMD concentrating on APU's and CPU's based on APU's just without the IGP on the FM2+ socket. Bring in an unlocked quad core (true CORES, not this module BS) APU with i3 / 250x performance with a $199 price tag and it will sell like hot cakes. 

 

Just wishful thinking.

I'm wondering why they couldn't develop an APU suimilar to the one in the PS4. If that came out dor desktops, I would be highly interested.

[-iSynthesis]

In the wrong direction. APUs are fine but they should AT LEAST try to concurr intel in high-end cpus. bad mistakes were made

[-iSynthesis]

AMD's FX 8350 has a TDP of 125W, Intel's 4670k delivers similar performance at an 84W TDP. The only reason Haswell and Ivy-Bridge chips run hotter is because of the crappy TIM used between the IHS and the die. Try delidding a haswell chip and using liquid metal, you'll see it runs much cooler than the AMD equivalent.

Bye, bye warranty^^

[-iSynthesis]

most likely more gpu power and a more powerful apu unless amd pull the shit outa their asses and make a new flagship processor that oc to 10 ghz at 20c load on summer time in the middle east (damn that should be hot).

 

I'd say I want to see more from them.

That...would be awesome . But for the same price as the i7 4770k.

 

They may be developing stuff behind the scenes...although they're probably not :-(

[KeltonDSMer]

The term "APU" has a bad connotation attatched to it, yet almost every standard desktop Intel SKU has an iGPU on die as well. Why is this?

 

As AMD's and Intel's x86 performance plateaus with the current architetecture, where are they supposed to go other than adding more cores or GPU compute? Intel is marketing quicksync, finally making use of the iGPU for something; however, the unified memory addressing and HSA properties of the new FM2+ chips seems to me like a big step in the right direction. Surely single thread performance will always be very important, as I imagine there are lots of opperations in most applications that are serial in nature and cannot be computed in a "parallel" fashion. At the same time, it seems unnecessary for modern games to be so reliant on jamming everything into just a few threads. I know it has been beaten to death, but the x86 jaguar core equipped console APUs could be seriously important for PC gamers in the way the devs code new games and how well they port to PC. If a AAA title can run 60fps on a handful Jaguar cores clocked at 1800mhz or whatever, there is hope!

 

GPU compute is a big deal, I doubt Intel and Nvidia are wasting their time with Phi and Tesla; but here is where I feel AMD can get a leg up on those guys. The aquisition of ATI put AMD in a unique position for shaping the platform of the high performance desktop. Intel lacks GPU IP, and Nvidia lacks access to the use of x86 instuction sets. AMD is able to work on the synergy between x86 and GCN to accomplish a common goal, to run your apps. Crucial to this approach is having all this goodness on the same die and having both parts share a memory pool. PCIe and Hypertransport introduce latency to the point where dGPU and dedicated CPU will not be the optimal solution in the future (I mean just to run programs, not that dGPUs for graphics rendering are going anywhere). I find it unlikely for the next FX line to be CPU only, I bet we will see HSA with some GCN cores in there on the FM(2+,3) platform.

 

Who knows what will happen, AMD's R&D budget is nowhere near that of Intel, but they do have better GPU IP and that seems to be where general compute is heading.

[nj4ck]

Bye, bye warranty^^

that's irrelevant, I was just explaining why Intel's newer generation CPUs run hotter.

[Sintezza]

that's irrelevant, I was just explaining why Intel's newer generation CPUs run hotter.

 

Yes i know why haswell is running hotter, i hope they solve that issue with theire new upcomming succesor.

But yeah also Intel need to push the production cost´s down cause they feel the pressure from the mobile market, so i just need to see first, if they have learn from the mistakes of haswell. Haswell is theire biggest flop sofar, also TDP does not say much about it

 

TDP is just a number in Watts with a "margin", on which your cpu cooling solution, should be able to dispace, from the cpu

[nj4ck]

Yes i know why haswell is running hotter, i hope they solve that issue with theire new upcomming succesor.

But yeah also Intel need to push the production cost´s down cause they feel the pressure from the mobile market, so i just need to see first, if they have learn from the mistakes of haswell. Haswell is theire biggest flop sofar, also TDP does not say much about it

 

TDP is just a number in Watts with a "margin", on which your cpu cooling solution, should be able to dispace, from the cpu

I agree that it doesn't say much, it does however underline the fact that AMDs FX chips are less power efficient than Intel's solution and because of that output more heat in total. The way the heat is transferred to the cooler and dissipated is another story, but the total amount of heat produced by the chip is higher on AMD CPUs which is directly linked to their power efficiency, which, as far as my understanding goes, is directly linked to the manufacturing process in nanometers.

[Sintezza]

I agree that it doesn't say much, it does however underline the fact that AMDs FX chips are less power efficient than Intel's solution and because of that output more heat in total. The way the heat is transferred to the cooler and dissipated is another story, but the total amount of heat produced by the chip is higher on AMD CPUs which is directly linked to their power efficiency, which, as far as my understanding goes, is directly linked to the manufacturing process in nanometers.

 

Yes offcourse AMD cpu´s using more power thats a fact ☺

[nj4ck]

Yes offcourse AMD cpu´s using more power thats a fact ☺

and that's why I originally said, AMD needs to cut down on the nanometers to become more efficient, so that they can actually put a serious GPU and CPU on one die and not, to put it in JoshM's words, "melt the world".

[Roy]

Their next dedicated CPU will be tagged the FX-9950 tagged the Fukushima Daiichi or whatever and require what?  Liquid Hydrogen or something as the stock cooling out of the box :mellow:

[Mooshi]

I used to be pro APU and thought the idea of hybrid crossfire was a neat cost effective solution..until Linus and Slick proved that an quadcore Athlon + a GTX 750 Ti gave like 30 more frames at a lower price point. Then I started doing some hardcore questioning.

[Almercenary]

Louder, hotter stock GPU's. Probably upwards actually, there minimizing there losses more and more.

[Hidden Orange]

Louder, hotter stock GPU's. Probably upwards actually, there minimizing there losses more and more.

Hey, it's two birds with one stone: targeting the GPU and heating industries. That'll teach people to not make PC toasters. We need our food efficient and close to us, damn it!