4090 not hitting desired framerate.

[zeetsuki]

Basically my 4090 is not getting the same performance as what people show on YouTube with my same specs. For example, On RDR2 at 4K they get 90-100FPS average while I get 50fps average, Marvels Spider man (4K) they get 80-100FPS Average while I get 50-60(1440p is fine).  I’ve tried rolling back to first Nvidia Driver for the 4090 (522.25) because apparently it’s better for gaming but nothing. Maybe because I’m not using a display for gaming just using a random 4K 60fps TV but with V-sync off so I can see the real performance. Or maybe I gotta overclock the cpu? OR maybe because I’m not using the 4 PCIe adapters to connect 4090 I’m using 3.

Specs: 
GPU: 4090
CPU: 13900KF

PSU: Corsair 850W 80Gold Plus
RAM: 32GB of 3600mhz (F4-3600C18-16VK) running at that speed.
MOBO: Tuf Gaming Z790-Plus Wifi D4
Driver: 526.86

Windows 11 

[DOOOLY]

Try DDU to wipe the drivers.

 

[bmx6454]

are you running all the same settings as they are? are they running the EXACT same specs as you(what are the full specs of your pc?)?  is the performance enough for you as-is?

[zeetsuki]

5 minutes ago, bmx6454 said:

are you running all the same settings as they are? are they running the EXACT same specs as you(what are the full specs of your pc?)?  is the performance enough for you as-is?

Yes I’ve put the same in game settings. not exact same specs. 

For example this guy: 

He’s running the game on a 5800x3D. The few differences are he has a 1200W PSU and mines 850W and using Windows 10 I’m in 11. But we got the same Ram, and he’s also averaging 90-100FPS. Maybe because I’m not using the 4 PCIe connectors on the card but instead im using 3?

 

[zeetsuki]

20 minutes ago, DOOOLY said:

Try DDU to wipe the drivers.

 

How would I install a driver back if my cpu doesn’t have integrated graphics? 

[Shimejii]

6 minutes ago, zeetsuki said:

Yes I’ve put the same in game settings. not exact same specs. 

For example this guy: 

He’s running the game on a 5800x3D. The few differences are he has a 1200W PSU and mines 850W and using Windows 10 I’m in 11. But we got the same Ram, and he’s also averaging 90-100FPS. Maybe because I’m not using the 4 PCIe connectors on the card but instead im using 3?

 

You cant exactly match a 13900kf with a 5800x3D, some games Love the cache, some arent affected by it. Also A lot of these youtubers dont exactly keep things consistent with settings or have a proper understanding of things, or they just straight up lie about it. 

 

You using 3 plugs Vs 4 shouldnt affect it THAT much, its mostly just the last few fps. Windows 10 vs 11 could affect some games, dont think red dead was one of them.

 

Was this a clean windows install or an older one? That can affect drivers and such.

6 minutes ago, zeetsuki said:

How would I install a driver back if my cpu doesn’t have integrated graphics? 

When you clear your drivers it just becomes a "generic device" without specific drivers and should work.

[corrado33]

7 minutes ago, zeetsuki said:

How would I install a driver back if my cpu doesn’t have integrated graphics? 

Your computer wills till boot without drivers.

[zeetsuki]

5 hours ago, corrado33 said:

Your computer wills till boot without drivers.

Thanks for the clarifying 

[zeetsuki]

5 hours ago, Shimejii said:

You cant exactly match a 13900kf with a 5800x3D, some games Love the cache, some arent affected by it. Also A lot of these youtubers dont exactly keep things consistent with settings or have a proper understanding of things, or they just straight up lie about it. 

 

You using 3 plugs Vs 4 shouldnt affect it THAT much, its mostly just the last few fps. Windows 10 vs 11 could affect some games, dont think red dead was one of them.

 

Was this a clean windows install or an older one? That can affect drivers and such.

When you clear your drivers it just becomes a "generic device" without specific drivers and should work.

I see, thanks for the clarification. And, what do you mean when you say a “clean” install. I updated from Windows 10 to 11. Also I’m In the process of buying a 1000W PSU so i can use the 4 plugs maybe that’ll fix the low performance along the way.

[Shimejii]

31 minutes ago, zeetsuki said:

I see, thanks for the clarification. And, what do you mean when you say a “clean” install. I updated from Windows 10 to 11. Also I’m In the process of buying a 1000W PSU so i can use the 4 plugs maybe that’ll fix the low performance along the way.

Clean install means you start fresh with no upgrading and such, its a direct install. Sometimes when you upgrade hardware a few times things can mess up an OS, even with some cleaning out.

 

Focus on pinpointing the issue, if a clean windows install doesnt fix it (you can always use a new drive to do this to test it out) then you know its not windows.

 

the 4 power plugs wont be the issue for 40FPS, it may be like 5ish at most, since most 4090s dont get beyond the 450W limit much anyway, it does help for that last bit especially if you spent a lot more on it, you may as well get all your money's worth.

[-rascal-]

Also keep in mind, SOME graphics settings are TURNED OFF in the RDR2 video at native 4K.

• MSAA -- OFF
• FXAA -- OFF
• API -- Vulkan
• Tree Tessellation -- OFF

MSAA will kill FPS.

[Ebony Falcon]

Get Msi afterburner enable overlay and have a look at your clock speeds and temps ingame 

[Ebony Falcon]

9 hours ago, Shimejii said:

You cant exactly match a 13900kf with a 5800x3D, some games Love the cache, some arent affected by it. Also A lot of these youtubers dont exactly keep things consistent with settings or have a proper understanding of things, or they just straight up lie about it. 

 

You using 3 plugs Vs 4 shouldnt affect it THAT much, its mostly just the last few fps. Windows 10 vs 11 could affect some games, dont think red dead was one of them.

 

Was this a clean windows install or an older one? That can affect drivers and such.

When you clear your drivers it just becomes a "generic device" without specific drivers and should work.

Bro a 4090 rapes the shit out of that game and he’s getting 50 fps 

[mwenn01]

16 hours ago, zeetsuki said:

Yes I’ve put the same in game settings. not exact same specs. 

For example this guy: 

He’s running the game on a 5800x3D. The few differences are he has a 1200W PSU and mines 850W and using Windows 10 I’m in 11. But we got the same Ram, and he’s also averaging 90-100FPS. Maybe because I’m not using the 4 PCIe connectors on the card but instead im using 3?

 

You are probably being bottle necked at the PSU. Does your 850 have 4 individual cables or are you daisy chained? Have you considered upgrading to some 1000 or higher? I have a very similar setup (power consumption wise) and I'm running an EVGA 1600 gold. I'm still being bottle necked because of the GPU bios (zotac) but I have ample wattage.

[ewitte]

If a card can't pull enough power you usually get a driver crash not low fps.  The numbers are a bit off though.

[zeetsuki]

3 hours ago, ewitte said:

If a card can't pull enough power you usually get a driver crash not low fps.  The numbers are a bit off though.

I see. thank you for clarifying.

[zeetsuki]

6 hours ago, mwenn01 said:

You are probably being bottle necked at the PSU. Does your 850 have 4 individual cables or are you daisy chained? Have you considered upgrading to some 1000 or higher? I have a very similar setup (power consumption wise) and I'm running an EVGA 1600 gold. I'm still being bottle necked because of the GPU bios (zotac) but I have ample wattage.

just got a 1000W PSU today. and I plug in the 4 cables. What do you mean your being bottlenecked by the bios?

[zeetsuki]

16 hours ago, Shimejii said:

Clean install means you start fresh with no upgrading and such, its a direct install. Sometimes when you upgrade hardware a few times things can mess up an OS, even with some cleaning out.

 

Focus on pinpointing the issue, if a clean windows install doesnt fix it (you can always use a new drive to do this to test it out) then you know its not windows.

 

the 4 power plugs wont be the issue for 40FPS, it may be like 5ish at most, since most 4090s dont get beyond the 450W limit much anyway, it does help for that last bit especially if you spent a lot more on it, you may as well get all your money's worth.

Good idea imma try the clean Windows install and the changing drive if clean install doesn't work.

[rockyroller]

22 hours ago, Shimejii said:

 

 

You using 3 plugs Vs 4 shouldnt affect it THAT much, its mostly just the last few fps. Windows 10 vs 11 could affect some games, dont think red dead was one of them.

 

 

from the content contributors' videos I've watched, if you don't use all 4  PCEi cables the card is informed by that upper set of connections that your PSU doesn't have the verified wattage to run in full power draw mode. You have throttled the cards performance. 

[ewitte]

16 minutes ago, rockyroller said:

from the content contributors' videos I've watched, if you don't use all 4  PCEi cables the card is informed by that upper set of connections that your PSU doesn't have the verified wattage to run in full power draw mode. You have throttled the cards performance. 

450W is 98% the performance.  Two cables from what I saw wouldn't even boot.

[zeetsuki]

51 minutes ago, rockyroller said:

from the content contributors' videos I've watched, if you don't use all 4  PCEi cables the card is informed by that upper set of connections that your PSU doesn't have the verified wattage to run in full power draw mode. You have throttled the cards performance. 

I bought a 1000W PSU today and it didn’t change anything in 4K (using 4 plugs). Just did a clean Windows install and I’m currently waiting for Red Dead 2 to finish installing to test if there’s any difference after a clean install.

[zeetsuki]

18 hours ago, Shimejii said:

Clean install means you start fresh with no upgrading and such, its a direct install. Sometimes when you upgrade hardware a few times things can mess up an OS, even with some cleaning out.

 

Focus on pinpointing the issue, if a clean windows install doesnt fix it (you can always use a new drive to do this to test it out) then you know its not windows.

 

the 4 power plugs wont be the issue for 40FPS, it may be like 5ish at most, since most 4090s dont get beyond the 450W limit much anyway, it does help for that last bit especially if you spent a lot more on it, you may as well get all your money's worth.

OMG THE CLEAN WINDOWS INSTALL FIX IT THANK YOUOOO!!!

[Shimejii]

19 minutes ago, zeetsuki said:

OMG THE CLEAN WINDOWS INSTALL FIX IT THANK YOUOOO!!!

Of course  Enjoy the gaming!