What with Linus sexually harassing his employees? I mean if a bar manager talked to his female bartender like this, that person would be fired.

[NephtisSeibzehn]

7 hours ago, tkitch said:

Again, have you seen any of their DBrand related spots?
 

 

 

Ok, I just saw it. What about it? 

[irishbeast]

Its just humour. no more no less. 

 

Linus on screen is cheesy and a bit weird but we all still watch, I think he's a breath of fresh air

So crack on is what I day. I doubt he's a sexual deviant, although you never know

 

 

 

[jerkwagon]

22 hours ago, trag1c said:

OP needs to go work in the trades for a bit, that was very subdued compared to what you would hear out in a shop or somewhere like the oil patch. Lots of industries where this is tolerated, some of the dirtiest minded people I know are black suit and tie businessmen. It's all about reading the room and knowing who you're talking with. You can be foul mouthed and dirty around those who you know are equally foul regardless of what industry you're in.

 

For this, It's just two guys who have a chill working relationship. If either one of them have an issue with it then that's on them to deal with it. 

im a ticketed plumber and just because people do it, does not make it right.   Thats my fking point exactly.  This post wasnt about, "omg sexual harrasment in LMG now?" its in every industry, and just because it happens  doesnt make it ok.. 

[DANK_AS_gay]

10 minutes ago, jerkwagon said:

im a ticketed plumber and just because people do it, does not make it right.   Thats my fking point exactly.  This post wasnt about, "omg sexual harrasment in LMG now?" its in every industry, and just because it happens  doesnt make it ok.. 

Here is the thing. Some people, like Jake, and myself (and I have Aspbergers... What does that make you?), can tell that what Linus is saying is a joke. Jokes, especially the ones that are mildly sexual in nature, and are not explicit, are just that, jokes. Linus saying, "I've got a raging server" is a joke. Linus saying, "let me screw you in the a$$ and I'll give you a raise"(NOT A REAL QUOTE) is clearly not. Even if the second was a joke, it would be in poor taste. When I hear "sexual harassment", like all other normal people, I think of sexual harassment. i.e. Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein sort of stuff. Inappropriate touches, getting too close too often, constantly talking about how sexy someone's body looks, despite pleas to stop, that's sexual harassment. This is none of those things. If there is sexual harassment BTS, again, in Canada they have way more protection from this sort of thing. They can get out if they want. Clearly they don't.

 

What I'm saying is, there is no reason to brigade this issue any longer. It has been shown time and time again that you are wrong, yet you persist. Why? Why are you fighting for people who do not care, and have no idea that they are being "saved" from "sexual harassment" by a white knight on the LTT forums who has no say in the matter.

[trag1c]

1 minute ago, jerkwagon said:

im a ticketed plumber and just because people do it, does not make it right.   Thats my fking point exactly.  This post wasnt about, "omg sexual harrasment in LMG now?" its in every industry, and just because it happens  doesnt make it ok.. 

You're still missing the point, it's mutual and good-humoured. This isn't a one-sided.

 

Sexual harrasment is a serious issue, but where you're entire rant falls short is the fact that harrassment requires it to be non-consensual. Both Jake and Linus mutually engaged in banter involving sexual innuendo. 

 

At worst you could call it inappropriate or unprofessional, doesn't make it sexual harrasment as there is no intimidation, pressure, or aggression by either party. Even if either party felt troubled, that's on them to deal with it by going through the proper chain of command or failing that going through labor boards/lawyers.

 

That must be a pretty lonely existence on the jobsite if you take issue with banter.

[cmndr]

I'm pretty sure that for sexual harassment claims to stick there usually needs to be some sort of element of intent and a guilty mind.

From what I can tell there's no desire on Linus' end to engage in actual sexual behavior with his employees and he wouldn't satisfy the mens rea requirement. Similarly, there's no intent to harras a person.

Now there is a concept of "pervasiveness" - it could be argued that a hostile environment is created. I'd argue that this is somewhat weak provided that there are SOME sort of measured in place for reporting and that reports are taken seriously.


Either way, I strongly suspect that there is no/negligible intention
 

[wanderingfool2]

1 hour ago, jerkwagon said:

im a ticketed plumber and just because people do it, does not make it right.   Thats my fking point exactly.  This post wasnt about, "omg sexual harrasment in LMG now?" its in every industry, and just because it happens  doesnt make it ok.. 

It's not even sexual harassment.  If both parties are okay with it it's not an issue.

 

The politically correct culture can really ruin a company in my opinion.  It makes working for places not fun to work for if you aren't allowed joking around and always need to remain "professional".  Again, if the party involved is okay with it there isn't a problem with it.

 

Some people aren't comfortable and hate with swearing, would you imply they shouldn't ever swear as well.

 

Yes sexual harassment is a thing, but trying to claim that what Linus and Jake are doing is sexual harassment just makes it worse for the people who actually are harassed at work.

[cmndr]

51 minutes ago, wanderingfool2 said:

The politically correct culture can really ruin a company in my opinion.

Here, let me put this in crisper language

Creating a culture that forces people at act like sterile machines is literally dehumanizing and arguably unethical.

[Quackers101]

5 minutes ago, cmndr said:

Creating a culture that forces people at act like sterile machines is literally dehumanizing and arguably unethical.

kind of, sometimes you need the sterile functions to make things work.

But if you need it 100% of the time and force it to idiotic degrees? is just a way to make things worse.

As for big heavy transport like planes, with the need of sterile cockpit rules at certain moments.

 

But as seen, there was an outcry in the US over doctors just being normal people outside of work. That putting your social life on social media in such a position is a "bad thing".

[jerkwagon]

So im guessing that this caught Linus's attention as you may of noticed hes quit with the sexual  innuendos ..  good for you Linus, class act!

[LinusFanNumber 14.8M]

On 4/11/2022 at 7:25 PM, 8tg said:

Linus just acts for fun to us bro.

[DeerDK]

On 9/12/2022 at 8:28 PM, jerkwagon said:

So im guessing that this caught Linus's attention as you may of noticed hes quit with the sexual  innuendos ..  good for you Linus, class act!

Dunno, I heard a "that's what she said" a few WANs ago

[Cubs7379]

On 4/11/2022 at 7:18 PM, jerkwagon said:

I know Jake is ok and playing along with innuendo.  But its quite sad to see a CEO of company who prides themselves on how well he treats his staff. To openly sexually harass staff in his videos im pretty sure breaks any sort of "code of conduct " in their employment contracts..   I know he's quite immature and likes his fart jokes etc.  But I thought linus would have more class than this.. I Know this is going to turn into a flame war,  i mean theres no real defending him.  I mean theres video of it, and again my point is, if this happened in another industry or between a male and female, it would be unacceptable.  He should really lead by example, 

 

 

video for context.

I thought that was funny lol

[Rex Hite]

Juvenile humour on a YouTube channel made by grownups who play with toys seems on-brand to me. I'd be shocked if it were otherwise

Off the cuff remarks on a live show may be cringe but when the lines get through a video that involves writing and an editing process then there's obviously an intent behind it. It's not  offensive per se, just creepy. How old are they now?

[Neroon]

This is always a tough one.

 

Starting with the linked video, that's obviously completely innocent and clearly a joke. End of story.

 

The question becomes, when do people not experience it as clearly a joke?

How much sexual harassment takes place under the 'it's a joke' or 'misunderstood' umbrella, to cover up nasty behaviour? Obviously, I don't have numbers, but it's a lot.

As someone who has worked with mostly women (I'm a social worker), I've always taken a very clear approach to both my colleagues and of course clients/patients, where I don't engage in any sexual banter, I just don't. It doesn't matter if I feel like there is no bad intention. I don't want them to ever question if I have bad intentions.

 

Now you can obviously say, well Linus has 0 interest in any of his staff... well how would you know? I have no clue if this is the case, and none of you can back up that claim. I'm not saying he is, but what the fuck do I know right?

So here is the thing, how do his workers know this? What if someone does feel like he is paying too much attention to them, what if those jokes start to feel like the type of banter that isn't safe etc. Then what? Do they talk to the CEO? Nope. Do they talk to the CFO? Doubt it. What about the other upper management? People that will likely tell them that Linus wouldn't do such a thing, and they shouldn't worry.

 

I'm sure many of you will be thinking: "Dude, you are making way too much of this", and you would very likely be right, the problem is, that the majority of sexual harassment isn't done by someone putting their junk on their desk and tell you to suck it, it's through these types of jokes, and they can add up.

 

 

Aside from Linus personally, this all creates a bigger problem, which is that it becomes culture, so now with the CEO making these comments, anyone feels free to make these comments, and if someone is sexually harassing someone, they can just point at Linus and say it's company culture.

And that's why companies have strict rules on them, because they just don't want the hassle of it, it's just so much easier to shut down any talk, then to constantly have to be in the middle of possible sexual harassment.

 

Oh, and while I absolutely have no idea how many women would possibly want to work there, I wouldn't be surprised if there were women who wouldn't want to work there because of this or left because of it. Not because the LMG workplace is unsafe, but because they would feel unsafe.

Btw I wonder if LMG has an actual HR rep, someone who is quite impartial to it all.

[DANK_AS_gay]

14 hours ago, Neroon said:

(I'm a social worker), I've always taken a very clear approach to both my colleagues and of course clients/patients, where I don't engage in any sexual banter, I just don't. It doesn't matter if I feel like there is no bad intention. I don't want them to ever question if I have bad intentions.

Linus also isn't a social worker who deals with victims of SA.

 

14 hours ago, Neroon said:

I'm sure many of you will be thinking: "Dude, you are making way too much of this", and you would very likely be right, the problem is, that the majority of sexual harassment isn't done by someone putting their junk on their desk and tell you to suck it, it's through these types of jokes, and they can add up.

Honestly, in this situation, they can get a job anywhere they want. There is no reason to stay if your feelings are hurt by juvenile jokes. Honestly, if I was running a business, I would drop them like a molten lump of lava in my hands. No reason to keep someone who can't play along with the team. And please, for the love, tell me that you DON'T think tea-bagging is SA. Because with that last sentence, I'm beginning to doubt it.

14 hours ago, Neroon said:

And that's why companies have strict rules on them, because they just don't want the hassle of it, it's just so much easier to shut down any talk, then to constantly have to be in the middle of possible sexual harassment.

 

My father runs a business, and he doesn't make these jokes. Not ever. And one employee is claiming SA so that the insurance will settle the claim to avoid taking the effort, and the money, required. She was never sexually assaulted, and everyone else in his firm can testify to that. She just wants money. Oh, and the $5K MacBook she stole. You can't avoid SA claims. Those rules aren't there to be followed, they are there to show the courts. "Look! Our rules state that no-one can do this, that means it will never happen ever, I swear! Pinkie promise!"

 

Your concerns are valid, given you work with these people, but they are also overblown. My mother is a prosecutor, and always assumes the worst case scenario. Much like you. I'm barely allowed to drive to school, not because I'm bad at driving, I'm better than her, but because she doesn't trust anyone else. She is over-protective due to her extended contact with the worst of the worst. This situation is similar to yourself. I understand why you might feel this way, but when all the people you work with are victims of real SA, you can overreact to the situation. I don't blame you, but I'm pointing it out so you can re-evaluate your claim with a more even-headed mindset.

[Stea1th]

If it bothers you so much, don't watch it.

[Touch My Hamm]

Its an online persona...Very common in the world of youtube just like how most actors act in movies (some you could argue just play themselves). Shouldn't get caught up with who they present themselves in videos on youtube as you could be in for a odd encounter IRL with some people of Youtube.

[05032-Mendicant-Bias]

Linus and the LTT staff should be proud that the persona they show on camera is so believable! Keep it up, LTT!

[Motifator]

On 4/12/2022 at 2:57 AM, Caroline said:

Where even looking at someone is harassment!

"Put your switch in muh face!!" in a porn tone, yeah, you're talking like this doesn't sound homo.

I actually sometimes come across these type of people when I'm looking for Warzone mates in Discords. It all depends on how many games I can handle them for, typically ends up with my turning the PC off or start cursing at them.

People who are always sassy are the epitome of cheese.

[Touch My Hamm]

From the coherent answers I see is more like a request to tone down the sexual innuendo jokes in videos. This is a much more realistic take than claiming sexual harassment in the workplace. I am sure that with 80+ employees that work culture is taken seriously and they have a clear cut what can and cannot be said/done in the workplace. On Camera antics should always be taken with a grain of salt as its almost 100% scripted and has gone through multiple hands to confirm everything is ok for the video. Live streams can be another beast entirely but this again would go under youtube persona which has its own thing.

[Neroon]

7 hours ago, DANK_AS_gay said:

Linus also isn't a social worker who deals with victims of SA.

 

Honestly, in this situation, they can get a job anywhere they want. There is no reason to stay if your feelings are hurt by juvenile jokes. Honestly, if I was running a business, I would drop them like a molten lump of lava in my hands. No reason to keep someone who can't play along with the team. And please, for the love, tell me that you DON'T think tea-bagging is SA. Because with that last sentence, I'm beginning to doubt it.

My father runs a business, and he doesn't make these jokes. Not ever. And one employee is claiming SA so that the insurance will settle the claim to avoid taking the effort, and the money, required. She was never sexually assaulted, and everyone else in his firm can testify to that. She just wants money. Oh, and the $5K MacBook she stole. You can't avoid SA claims. Those rules aren't there to be followed, they are there to show the courts. "Look! Our rules state that no-one can do this, that means it will never happen ever, I swear! Pinkie promise!"

 

Your concerns are valid, given you work with these people, but they are also overblown. My mother is a prosecutor, and always assumes the worst case scenario. Much like you. I'm barely allowed to drive to school, not because I'm bad at driving, I'm better than her, but because she doesn't trust anyone else. She is over-protective due to her extended contact with the worst of the worst. This situation is similar to yourself. I understand why you might feel this way, but when all the people you work with are victims of real SA, you can overreact to the situation. I don't blame you, but I'm pointing it out so you can re-evaluate your claim with a more even-headed mindset.

EVERYONE deals with victims of sexual abuse, every single one of us. Don't ever think you don't. 1 in 3 women have experience sexual abuse, and I have no clue how many men have. And with sexual abuse I don't mean jokes, we are talking physical sexual abuse. Sexual Assault Statistics | National Sexual Violence Resource Center (NSVRC)

Those numbers are actually worse btw depending how you define it, I've found a Dutch study which shows 45% of women had unwanted physical sexual contact. But this all depends on how far it goes.

 

So if you or Linus, and no I don't think he is dumb enough to not know this, thinks they don't work with victims of sexual abuse, you are incredibly mistaken.

 

Now you might argue that his primary job isn't to help them with that experience, and that would be true. But 1 of his primary jobs is to create a save working environment for all, including many of his workers who were victims of sexual abuse.

 

I remember in my old team, which was about 13 people, we had anonymous polling about sexual abuse. 3 of my colleagues had been raped, and 4 more sexually abused. Now I can tell you that I only knew about 1. Did it surprise there were more? No. Did I have an idea who they were. No, and I still don't, at least not the ones who were raped. 

So even if you think you can tell, trust me, you can't. Lots and lots of people are hiding this secret.

Do you think Linus automatically feels safe because he is a 'good guy', even though more sexual abuse is done by people close to you.

 

I don't have an issue with his banter personally, but I'm a viewer, I don't work there, I was never sexually abused or anything like that. I also don't see him as someone who would abuse anyone, at the same time how would we know right? The thing is, that no matter what, his specific actions dictate a lot in that company, more than in most companies, because it creates culture, he is very influential and public (I've seen the fallout of Naomi Wu - and to be clear, I consider her in the wrong), and of course the CEO. I can definitely see people not knowing how to deal with things if they were to feel uncomfortable. 

 

They can get a job anywhere they want... right so it's the worker that would need to leave if the work environment isn't safe. Yeah that sounds very 1950's.

Oh and sure they are all juvenile jokes. I guess when metoo happened, you were just like "dumb bitches, change job if you can't take some light sexual jokes"

Again, it's his job to make the workplace safe, I don't give a fuck if you think it's safe, his obligation is towards his workers, not his viewers.

 

What is your point with your fathers ex worker? How is that even remotely relevant? Yes people lie. Guess what, people lie at all levels, and people will use whatever they can to get out of their fuck ups, or abuse others. 

What your father does is wise, because his position, just like Linus, is very different from the rest. Like I said, if say someone felt unsafe with James or David, they could go to Linus or Yvonne and talk about it. If they felt unsafe with Linus, who do they go to?

 

I don't assume the worst case scenario, like I said, I don't expect Linus to have done anything wrong. But I do expect a decent chunk of his staff to victims of sexual abuse, and plenty of other abuse as well. That's not worst case scenario, that's just knowing the numbers, and knowing that to be true.

[Jtalk4456]

On 9/12/2022 at 2:28 PM, jerkwagon said:

hes quit with the sexual  innuendos

Have you actually watched any of his videos lately?? They are loaded with jokes, sexual and otherwise. IDK why this thread is being revived at this point, If you don't like sexual humor, watch a different youtuber. Sexual harassment is very different from what is happening here, but you don't have to like his jokes. You're allowed to show your distaste and not watch, and he and many others are allowed to continue to enjoy naughty humor. 

[Poinkachu]

35 minutes ago, Neroon said:

If they felt unsafe with Linus, who do they go to?

Viewers & Lawyers I guess.

Which some will immediately raise their pitchforks & torches.

 

A single insider tweet about it can cause quite a damage.

[Neroon]

43 minutes ago, Poinkachu said:

Viewers & Lawyers I guess.

Which some will immediately raise their pitchforks & torches.

 

A single insider tweet about it can cause quite a damage.

Going to viewers would be career suicide unless it's very clear that Linus is in the wrong. Remember, feeling unsafe is not the same as someone doing something objectively wrong.

Going back to the earlier mentioned Naomi Wu. She was absolutely right to feel uncomfortable with his proposal to meet at the hotel, she thought he meant his hotel room, and she had to go solo, so I can absolutely understand that she felt uncomfortable, and it was right for her to stay on the safe side. Now could the communication have been better, absolutely, she could have asked what he meant with hotel etc.

Where she went wrong, was to imply or even accuse him of wrong doing. She could provide no evidence that he did something wrong, not in the sense of: "you got no hard proof", but even her accusations were clearly wrong, and others were purely from her own believes what his intentions were.

 

Take LTT here, say a worker were to feel unsafe with Linus, that doesn't mean Linus did something objectively wrong, just like he didn't do anything wrong with Naomi, but that doesn't mean the other person doesn't feel unsafe. Now if that worker went to the media/viewers, this could be a breach of contract, he could sue that worker for damages and they could end up with career suicide, because no one would want to hire someone who falsely accuses someone. None of that means that Linus wouldn't have made this person feel unsafe, because again, that's a feeling.

 

A lawyer would be completely useless here as well, because unless there is wrongdoing, you can't just sue someone, well at least not while hoping to win.

 

Besides, what if you are not out there to try and damage him and his career, what if you just struggle with something, and because he is the CEO, you don't feel comfortable facing him, due to risk of losing your job etc. It helps to have someone there for back up, to listen to you, to help your prepare and possibly mediate in the conversation etc.

 

I personally think Linus really should get an HR rep, because he can be very stubborn, he can say fairly stupid things, and can have a tough time accepting that another persons opinion to be more important, while at the same time he seemingly is someone who cares for his workers, wants to treat them well, and should recognize that this could be important for his workers to feel much safer and open up discussions.