Sff work station from used parts

[Beat_my_Laptop]

I want to build a small form factor workstation, I'm buying used parts so there's a wide range of parts I'm willing to use so long as they're cheap enough. This is the "largest" extent of my plan, https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Boredome_________/saved/#view=9NPkJx

Threadripper 3970x or better, eatx gigabyte or MSI, Quadro p4000 in a Lian Li O11 dynamic mini.

What do you think of this plan?

Budget (including currency): 2600

Country: usa

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: autocad, inventor, illustrator, VM, vpn, IPS, systems modelling

Other details I have a Dell t5500 tower from which I'm pulling the Quadro p4000

 

[Beat_my_Laptop]

I want to build a small form factor workstation, I'm buying used parts so there's a wide range of parts I'm willing to use so long as they're cheap enough. This is the smallest build option I'm considering.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Boredome_________/saved/#view=4CzrvK

Ryzen 9 5950x, gigabyte or rog x570 itx, Quadro p4000, Fractal Design Core 500 Case. If a top tier x570 atx or eatx comes my way I'd swap for the larger workstation's case (O11 dynamic mini). 

What do y'all think of this build? 

Budget (including currency): 2200

Country: usa

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: autocad, inventor, illustrator, VM, vpn, IPS, systems modelling

Other details I have a Dell t5500 tower from which I'm pulling the Quadro p4000

 

[Downkey]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($799.00 @ Adorama)
CPU Cooler: Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard  ($202.99 @ B&H)
Memory: OLOy 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($159.97 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Core 500 Mini ITX Desktop Case  ($67.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($74.00 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer  ($19.98 @ Amazon)
Custom: Fan splitter ($20.00)
Custom: Firewall ($300.00)
Custom: Softline water loop budget ($400.00)
Total: $2403.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-07-05 14:57 EDT-0400

[OfficialTechSpace]

51 minutes ago, Beat_my_Laptop said:

I'm buying used parts so there's a wide range of parts I'm willing to use so long as they're cheap enough.

At the $2200 pricepoint, buying used would be unnecessary. You wouldn't benefit from that in the current GPU market anyways, it's only just now FINALLY starting to get better. Using an external CD/DVD drive is also preferable, you limit your options in terms of good cases otherwise. PLUS, it's far more convenient to have the drive located on your desk rather than a few feet away on the floor.

 

Here's what I'd recommend:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bg2Prr

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X  ($799.00 @ Adorama) 

CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX  ($202.99 @ B&H) 

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) 3200Mhz CL16  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB  ($104.99 @ Lenovo) 

Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070  ($499.99) 

Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR200P  ($116.99 @ Amazon) 

Power Supply: Fractal Design Ion SFX-L 650W 80+ Gold  ($115.99 @ B&H) 

Case Fans: 2x ARCTIC P14  ($10.68 each @ Amazon) 

Optical Drive: ASUS external CD/DVD writer  ($27.99)

 

Total: $2149.28

[Beat_my_Laptop]

7 hours ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

At the $2200 pricepoint, buying used would be unnecessary. You wouldn't benefit from that in the current GPU market anyways, it's only just now FINALLY starting to get better. Using an external CD/DVD drive is also preferable, you limit your options in terms of good cases otherwise. PLUS, it's far more convenient to have the drive located on your desk rather than a few feet away on the floor.

 

Here's what I'd recommend:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bg2Prr

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X  ($799.00 @ Adorama) 

CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX  ($202.99 @ B&H) 

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) 3200Mhz CL16  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB  ($104.99 @ Lenovo) 

Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070  ($499.99) 

Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR200P  ($116.99 @ Amazon) 

Power Supply: Fractal Design Ion SFX-L 650W 80+ Gold  ($115.99 @ B&H) 

Case Fans: 2x ARCTIC P14  ($10.68 each @ Amazon) 

Optical Drive: ASUS external CD/DVD writer  ($27.99)

 

Total: $2149.28

1. This is a workstation, I have no need for a gaming GPU. I already have the Quadro p4000.

2. I'm buying used because 2200$ is the absolute limit & after getting the gpu I'm down to 1700

3. I'm not compromising with a b550

4. I am not compromising on 64gb of ram for my use case

5. I have an optical drive already, I included it because the case in my list has a 5.25 bay that would be better occupied by a disk drive than a fan controller.

6. Part of the appeal of sff is having the tower on my desk for the frequent USB & mic changes

7. 2200$ is meant to include a soft line complete system water loop with 240mm or more radiator, a hardware firewall, & a fan splitter. All necessary for the build & not to be excised to make a corner cutting gamer PC of my workstation build.

[Beat_my_Laptop]

I want to build a small form factor workstation, I'm open to buying used parts so there's a wide range of parts I'm willing to use so long as they're cheap enough. I already have purchased the Quadro p4000 for $500. This is the smallest build option I'm considering.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Boredome_________/saved/#view=4CzrvK

Ryzen 9 5950x, gigabyte or rog x570 itx, Quadro p4000, 64gb ram, fractal Design Core 500 Case. If a top tier x570 atx or eatx comes my way I'd swap for the larger workstation's case (O11 dynamic mini). The fractal case has a 5.25" bay & I have a spare optical drive, that's why it's included.

 

This is the largest

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Boredome_________/saved/#view=9NPkJx

Ryzen Threadripper 3970x or better,Quadro p4000, gigabyte or MSI eatx, 64gb ram, Lian Li O11 dynamic mini.

 

What do y'all think of these builds?

Please, read the post & don't send me a BS lightweight gaming build within my budget. I'm not gaming, I need 64gb ram, I am going to build a water loop, & I'm installing a firewall. I don't want another brain dead "16gb ram, b550, and 3070ti" suggestion for a WORKSTATION.

 

 

Budget (including currency): 2200

Country: usa

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: autocad, inventor, illustrator, VM, vpn, IPS, systems modelling, 4k video editing, podcasting

Other details I have a Dell t5500 tower from which I'm pulling the Quadro p4000

 

[VioDuskar]

i wouldn't consider an ITX for a workstation at all. either EATX or ATX. 
if your programs use CPU compute, then go with a threadripper, otherwise, pack the 5950x on an ATX board so you can slot another quadro later if you use GPU compute. 

ITX is going to cap you at 64GB of ram and if you find your projects need more than that you can't cram in any more sticks. go with ATX for the 4 dimm slots and extra PCIe slots. 
i'd use those 2x 32GB sticks instead of the 4x16GB sticks too, to save space for later. 

your case is up to you. 
you don't need an Auros M.2, just get a samsung. 
do not cheap out on a PSU. go 750W on either build. if you add a 2nd quadro or upgrade toi a higher TDP card later you're going to regret the 550W 
always get a wifi motherboard, even if you're going in LAN. no one ever regrets that. and situations change down the road. flexibility is key. 

[Beat_my_Laptop]

1 minute ago, VioDuskar said:

i wouldn't consider an ITX for a workstation at all. either EATX or ATX. 
if your programs use CPU compute, then go with a threadripper, otherwise, pack the 5950x on an ATX board so you can slot another quadro later if you use GPU compute. 

ITX is going to cap you at 64GB of ram and if you find your projects need more than that you can't cram in any more sticks. go with ATX for the 4 dimm slots and extra PCIe slots. 
i'd use those 2x 32GB sticks instead of the 4x16GB sticks too, to save space for later. 

your case is up to you. 
you don't need an Auros M.2, just get a samsung. 
do not cheap out on a PSU. go 750W on either build. if you add a 2nd quadro or upgrade toi a higher TDP card later you're going to regret the 550W 
always get a wifi motherboard, even if you're going in LAN. no one ever regrets that. and situations change down the road. flexibility is key. 

The itx, it's ram cap & 5950 meets my needs, my favorite x570 is the prestige MSI Creator but I'm willing to compromise down to the itx.

 

My programs are cpu compute but I worry the price difference between the 5950 & a Threadripper wouldn't be worth it.

 

I'm with you on the PSU, if money wasn't an issue (regarding the PSU only) I'd go with 750w & 1100w respectively for the builds. But, by the time I exceed the GPUs limits (or be able to afford another) it'll be outdated. Also at the ideal sff cases I'm looking at they only have 1 or 2 pcie slots anyhow.

 

You do regret wifi when you don't want to be hacked over air. I like the x570i because it's wifi comes over an m.2. slot. I can remove that, enjoy a storage expansion & still have the wifi m.2. device should I want it or wish to expirement with it in another PC.

[OfficialTechSpace]

2 hours ago, Beat_my_Laptop said:

1. This is a workstation, I have no need for a gaming GPU. I already have the Quadro p4000.

That's probably the most laughable thing I've read today. It's not a "gaming" GPU, it's just a GPU that just so happens to be A LOT faster than the Quadro P4000 and at the same price as what you payed for it. Very uninformed purchasing decision on your part.

2 hours ago, Beat_my_Laptop said:

2. I'm buying used because 2200$ is the absolute limit & after getting the gpu I'm down to 1700

Yes, $2200 - $500 = $1700... that's how math works. You could've bought a faster card brand-new for the same price, but you bought a slower card used.

2 hours ago, Beat_my_Laptop said:

3. I'm not compromising with a b550

There is no compromise using B550, even in your use case. Idk who told you that, or even if anyone has. B550 is the better chipset, ask anyone around here.

2 hours ago, Beat_my_Laptop said:

4. I am not compromising on 64gb of ram for my use case

That's your choice, but it's not necessary for your use. A 64GB kit is twice the price, and you wont see any benefit.

2 hours ago, Beat_my_Laptop said:

7. 2200$ is meant to include a soft line complete system water loop with 240mm or more radiator, a hardware firewall, & a fan splitter. All necessary for the build & not to be excused to make a corner cutting gamer PC of my workstation build.

Again, this is laughable. The list I spec'd you is faster than yours for what you're planning to use it for, and costs the same. Drop the whole "gamer PC" tagline and get real. Also, a custom loop isn't necessary for your hardware. The only corner-cutting being done here was your research, come back when you understand the difference between a Quadro P4000 and an RTX 3070, then we can talk.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

3 hours ago, Beat_my_Laptop said:

1. This is a workstation, I have no need for a gaming GPU. I already have the Quadro p4000.

If you really wanted to get serious then buy some atx or eatx board with 4 pcie x16 slots and buy 2 or 3 tesla k10 or k80 off ebay

Both are dual gpu compute cards

K10 has 8gb vram

And k80 has i think 24gb vram

 

The vram might help in your workloads

 

Heck you can bios mod them to overclock them but thats pretty risky

[Beat_my_Laptop]

41 minutes ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

That's probably the most laughable thing I've read today. It's not a "gaming" GPU, it's just a GPU that just so happens to be A LOT faster than the Quadro P4000...come back when you understand the difference between a Quadro P4000 and an RTX 3070, then we can talk.

And having never used a Quadro you assume faster is better . 

[Beat_my_Laptop]

33 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

If you really wanted to get serious then buy some atx or eatx board with 4 pcie x16 slots and buy 2 or 3 tesla k10 or k80 off ebay

Both are dual gpu compute cards

K10 has 8gb vram

And k80 has i think 24gb vram

 

The vram might help in your workloads

 

Heck you can bios mod them to overclock them but thats pretty risky

Damn, I didn't realize these Tesla cards were that affordable.

If I added one would I need an sli bridge?

[Somerandomtechyboi]

1 minute ago, Beat_my_Laptop said:

Damn, I didn't realize these Tesla cards were that affordable.

If I added one would I need an sli bridge?

Dont think so, i think its best to just run them parralel and not sli so you can allocate them each to a different workload

 

And quad sli (cause dual gpu cards) will prob not be utilised by most of the programs you are using so dont bother

 

And btw mainstream gpus are marketed towards gamers but arent specifically for gamers

 

Rtx 3090 also has 24gb vram if you need for high res gaming or doing actual work that needs a ton of vram

[OfficialTechSpace]

28 minutes ago, Beat_my_Laptop said:

And having never used a Quadro you assume faster is better . 

Faster is better, that's a nice contradiction you worked up for yourself there 

Faster at the same price is always better. What you just did is like buying a 1060 for the same price as a 3060 at $300. It's unjustified and stupid.

 

The P4000 has 8GB of GDDR5, the 3070 has 8GB of GDDR6.

The P4000 has 1792 CUDA cores on the 16nm pascal architecture, the 3070 has 5888 CUDA cores on the 7nm Ampere architecture.

 

Both cost the same, only one is faster. Not just in gaming, but also literally everything else as well.

[Beat_my_Laptop]

54 minutes ago, OfficialTechSpace said:

Faster is better, that's a nice contradiction you worked up for yourself there 

Faster at the same price is always better. What you just did is like buying a 1060 for the same price as a 3060 at $300. It's unjustified and stupid.

 

The P4000 has 8GB of GDDR5, the 3070 has 8GB of GDDR6.

The P4000 has 1792 CUDA cores on the 16nm pascal architecture, the 3070 has 5888 CUDA cores on the 7nm Ampere architecture.

 

Both cost the same, only one is faster. Not just in gaming, but also literally everything else as well.

It's not a contradiction. You simply don't know what a workstation is &/or overlooked the use case entirely. Faster isn't always better, especially when it comes to CAD. Quadros aren't just pointlessly expensive, behind some supply-demand curve adjustments is optimized software, decimal precision, & error checking which won't matter to a gamer or the hobbyist animator, but it will matter to me in every single CAD, rendering, & slicing program. So, even if (non-scam) GPUs were available for MSRP anyone with my use case will choose a Quadro over a normal gpu. I would rather have another measly Quadro p1000 than a 1060ti any day.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Ok stop this stupid arguing

 

Idk who is right nor who is wrong

 

But if you keep arguing the mods will prob get pissed

 

 

Geforce has good fp32

Quadro has good fp64

Tesla has both

 

Regular fp32 performance is not gonna be completely useless even if you mostly work with fp64

 

And fp64 performance is not useful in every single program

 

So why not just have a hd 6350 or rtx 3060 as a display adapter (rtx 3060 cause might aswell have a display adapter that can assist in your workloads rather than being a vegetable like a hd 6350)

 

Atx or eatx board that has 3-5 pcie x16 slots

 

And 2-4 tesla k10 or tesla k80

 

Oh and you and gonna need atleast a 1200w psu in a 3 tesla config and a 1500w psu in a 4 tesla config

 

Not to mention you will need a custom cooling solution for the teslas as they were made for high airflow servers

[Spotty]

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