Is it only me...

[fUnDaMeNtAl_knobhead]

Is it only me who hates canonical/ubuntu ?

[Alex Atkin UK]

7 minutes ago, linux fanboy said:

Is it only me who hates canonical/ubuntu ?

As a company or an OS?

 

I know personally I don't get on with Ubuntu, I just find Fedora supports newer hardware better.  Prior to that I was a Mandrake/Mandriva guy.

 

I was considering Kubuntu at one point but I can't remember what it was that put me off, I think something just didn't work right compared to the Fedora KDE spin.

[fUnDaMeNtAl_knobhead]

Both

[kelvinhall05]

Can't speak for the company if that's what you're asking about, but personally I've never had a good experience with Ubuntu or anything based on it. Could just be my hardware, but Arch worked right out of the box with no issues whatsoever. Ubuntu had stability issues, performance issues, and I absolutely despise APT and the idea of adding PPAs or repositories; I can't fathom how people live without AUR.

 

Do I hate it? No, because I recognize that many people have a good experience with it and the issues I had are likely only present on my hardware. But would I recommend it to a beginner over Manjaro? Probably not.

[Alex Atkin UK]

Though Fedora managed to make a real hash of FC34 as the KDE live USB outright doesn't work with an NVIDIA card so you have to install with the normal image then install KDE Plasma afterwards, once you've installed the propriety drivers.

 

Also defaulting to Wayland sucks as you can't drag and drop between Wayland and X11 apps, which effectively breaks the UI.  But at least its easy to get round these things.

[AndreiArgeanu]

I don't see any issues with Ubuntu. It's the main Linux distribution I use since it's the one I'm most familiar with and it's good for my needs, I haven't found myself having gripes with it. Though Linux is not my main OS on anything but the raspberry pi 4.

[Alex Atkin UK]

Just now, AndreiArgeanu said:

I don't see any issues with Ubuntu. It's the main Linux distribution I use since it's the one I'm most familiar with and it's good for my needs, I haven't found myself having gripes with it. Though Linux is not my main OS on anything but the raspberry pi 4.

That's the thing, once a specific distro becomes your main OS, switching to anything else can be a pain.

 

Ironically I didn't find switching from Windows to Linux that hard.  Although now I find Windows 10 absolutely awful to use as they've made such a mess of everything.

[WhitetailAni]

27 minutes ago, linux fanboy said:

Is it only me who hates canonical/ubuntu ?

I don't like it (the side mounted task bar annoys me), but I don't hate it.

I will use Linux Mint 17.3 over anything else every time though. Best Linux distro, and best version of it IMO.

15 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Although now I find Windows 10 absolutely awful to use as they've made such a mess of everything.

I Hackintoshed my PC and I'm dailying macOS Big Sur 11.3.1. I sometimes boot Windows to make sure I haven't screwed anything up and while I will have to use it when working on my Mario Bros. Wii mod, I prefer macOS for everything else.

It's so nice! Everything just works.

[AndreiArgeanu]

5 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

That's the thing, once a specific distro becomes your main OS, switching to anything else can be a pain.

 

Ironically I didn't find switching from Windows to Linux that hard.  Although now I find Windows 10 absolutely awful to use as they've made such a mess of everything.

It's not about switching. It's about other stuff. Like for example there is no native Linux port of the office 365, gaming performance takes a hit because there isn't a lot of native linux support and I don't have powerful enough hardware to not care about the overhead, C# development is a bit of a pain since getting .net and all the other stuff together is difficult and I'm yet to get it working, and of course no visual studio community. There's also obscure apps that I use on Windows like Serif DrawPlus X8 that I'd have to waste time getting to work on Linux through WINE or some kind of emulation.

 

The thing is, at the end of the day I want something that just works, I don't want to waste time troubleshooting problems that wouldn't have been there to start with had I been using Windows. Windows has been working well for me so far. For the past 2 years I can hardly find any gripes I have with it. Not to mention that I have 24/7 free support from Microsoft if anything does go wrong I can get in contact with an experienced person in a matter of seconds.

 

And Linux never just worked for me, regardless of distro, I always had to take extra steps to get things working. At the end of the day I use my PC for Office 365, Gaming, Programming and video editing/drawing.

 

At the moment I have no compelling reason to switch to Linux as my main OS. I'll use it for servers, and other tinkering I may do since it's better suited for those tasks but that's about it.

[trag1c]

I would say there's a lot of flavors of linux that I would use over ubuntu but if I want a dead simple linux setup for my self or others then its hard to choose anything other than ubuntu. Or even just a live boot usb its nice for that as well.

[GillyMoMo]

When Ubuntu was new, I was okay with it. Over the years I have deviated to pure Debian and more recently BSD (beginning to like it more and more). Pretty much after they pulled that mess with Gnome 2.2 (as did many others) I kinda chucked it. Now for a daily driver, PopOS. Server appliances? Turnkey Linux. NAS? FreeNAS. Hypervisor? ProxMox. I kinda chose based what each distro is good at. I haven't really been on Ubuntu in a while and it's kinda nice. Granted do I used Windows 10 on my desktops? Yes because of software that I use often. At the end of the day I have a happy mixture of everything now. I guess it just really depends on what you need that thing to do. Just my 2 pennies in on such a topic. 

[fUnDaMeNtAl_knobhead]

I just hate Ubuntu because the company that makes Ubuntu (aka canonical) has a questionable track record at best.

[maplepants]

Ubuntu 7.04 was how I got into Linux, and I've used Ubuntu ever since. I was even one of the people who loved Unity right from the moment it landed in 11.04 (I didn't use the Netbook version from 10.10). I have never really followed the adventures of Canonical the company or Mark Shuttleworth though. I just run and love the OS, as well as some of the related distros like elementaryOS and Xubuntu. But when I distro hop away from Ubuntu it never really takes long before I come home.

 

I've written this in other threads, but the thing I like best about Ubuntu is the community. It's so widely used that the internet is absolutely jam packed with great tutorials and stack overflow/ask ubuntu questions for any project or problem you're working on. In all the years I've been using Ubuntu I've only had to ask a question on ask ubuntu once, and in the mailing list once. Every other problem I've had, somebody had already run into it and I could just use the answer to their ask ubuntu/stack overflow answer. 

[fUnDaMeNtAl_knobhead]

Did you know about the spyware in Ubuntu some years ago ?

[maplepants]

13 minutes ago, linux fanboy said:

Did you know about the spyware in Ubuntu some years ago ?

Spyware in Ubuntu? This one passed me by, and Google's not helping me here. Which version and what was the spyware?

[fUnDaMeNtAl_knobhead]

I'm not exactly sure but it was around 16.04

don't quote me on this i will give you precise date some time later

[fUnDaMeNtAl_knobhead]

Check this link : https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.en.html

[maplepants]

Ahhh, the online and amazon search results from 12.10 & 16.04 (https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/01/ubuntu-online-search-feature-disabled-16-04). Yeah, I do remember when that blew up. I've never been a day one upgrader though, so for me these things were always off by default or set in the upgrade process. And the usage data about dash search was something where Canonical's explanation made sense to me (https://www.whizzy.org/2015/12/10/online-searches-in-the-dash-to-be-off-by-default/). 

 

Ubuntu is a very popular distro with Linux noobs, and Canonical is a business trying to make money. These two factors have always rubbed a certain type of Linux user the wrong way and I feel that causes these kinds of issues to blow way out of proportion. 

[fUnDaMeNtAl_knobhead]

I just don't think Ubuntu can be trusted because most people switched to Linux for privacy but Ubuntu has a questionable record at best on privacy

[fUnDaMeNtAl_knobhead]

I would just recommend LMDE for newbies.

[maplepants]

Linux mint has it's security and privacy problems. That said, I don't think people usually switch to desktop Linux for privacy reasons. If they did, something like PureOS would be the most popular distro instead of Ubuntu and Fedora.

 

Maybe it's just the circles I'm in, but my impression of most Linux desktop users I know is that they wanted the same great development tool chain they use on their server on their workstation. People I know who use and like Ubuntu Server, run Ubuntu (or Ubuntu based) desktops and those who use and like RHEL run Fedora.

 

Of course Linux is more private than Windows, but it lacks many privacy and security features of macOS (e.g. Filevault) and most Linux users don't mind. And privacy features Linux does offer like SELinux aren't even that widely used on the desktop.

[fUnDaMeNtAl_knobhead]

I tried Pure OS it crashed and on the surface there are no major difference between ubuntu and pure os so if i was a newbie I would choose a well documented and famous Linux distro ubuntu

[fUnDaMeNtAl_knobhead]

5 minutes ago, maplepants said:

Linux mint has it's security and privacy problems. That said, I don't think people usually switch to desktop Linux for privacy reasons. If they did, something like PureOS would be the most popular distro instead of Ubuntu and Fedora.

 

Maybe it's just the circles I'm in, but my impression of most Linux desktop users I know is that they wanted the same great development tool chain they use on their server on their workstation. People I know who use and like Ubuntu Server, run Ubuntu (or Ubuntu based) desktops and those who use and like RHEL run Fedora.

 

Of course Linux is more private than Windows, but it lacks many privacy and security features of macOS (e.g. Filevault) and most Linux users don't mind. And privacy features Linux does offer like SELinux aren't even that widely used on the desktop.

LMDE servers are debian not hybrid

[maplepants]

7 minutes ago, linux fanboy said:

I tried Pure OS it crashed and on the surface there are no major difference between ubuntu and pure os so if i was a newbie I would choose a well documented and famous Linux distro ubuntu

You're making my point for me here. Most people switching to Linux would be in the same boat as you. Sure PureOS is meant to be one of the best on privacy, but it's not as usable as Ubuntu and since most Linux users aren't switching primarily for the privacy they use Ubuntu instead of PureOS.

 

The balance that Ubuntu strikes between privacy and features is, for most users, the right one for now. 

[Giganthrax]

Lubuntu made my 11 year old laptop with a 5400rpm HDD perfectly usable again, so I'm definitely a fan of Ubuntu. I'm going to upgrade to an SSD soon just to see how much better it's going to perform.

 

As a relative newcomer to Linux, I also find Ubuntu superior to other distros because it has a wealth of information online so I can actually troubleshoot every problem despite knowing very little. 

 

It goes without saying that Win10 Pro remains my main OS and the one I run on my main gaming and work computer. Everything just works on Windows.