Now everyone can be misled | Leaker confirms AMD preparing RX 6800M but using Navi 22 with 12GB G6 instead of Navi 21, and more RX 6000M GPUs rumoured

[AlTech]

Summary

A leaker known as "Komachi" has confirmed the existence of RX 6800M which is rumoured to use Navi 22. Other rumoured graphics cards also include an RX 6700M, RX 6600M, RX 6500M, and RX 6300M.

 

The leaker's information puts RX 6800M a bit below an RX 6700XT top model but above the worst model 6700XT. It's not clear what model of RX 6700XT is currently on the market if 2 such variants exist.

 

Source: VideoCardz who got it from the Leaker.

 

TGPs look like they may vary by Implementation but aren't known for any specific card. Navi 22 for Notebooks will allegedly come in 90W, 100W, 135W, and 145W options.

 

The rumoured specs for the RX 6000M series lineup is as follows:

Navi 22:

• RX 6800M with 12GB 14Gbps GDDR6 Memory with Fully Enabled Navi 22 Die and 2560 SPs, 192 Bit memory bus, Unknown TGP
• RX 6700M with 10GB 14Gbps GDDR6 Memory with 2304 SPs on a Navi 22 Die, 160 Bit Memory bus, Unknown TGP.

Navi 23:

• RX 6600M with 8GB 12Gbps GDDR6 Memory with 2048 SPs on a presumably fully enabled Navi 23 Die, 128 Bit Memory Bus, TGP is not known for this card
• RX 6500M with 4GB 12Gbps GDDR6 Memory with a more cut down Navi 23 Die, presumably around 1536 or 1792 SPs, 128 Bit Memory Bus, TGP is not known for this card.

Navi 24:

• RX 6300M with 4GB 12Gbps GDDR6 Memory with a Navi 24 die, 64 Bit memory bus, unknown TGP.

 

Quotes

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According to Komachi, who discovered RX 6800M in the most recent display driver, AMD is planning Navi 22 based Radeon RX 6800M graphics card. The GPU would use a Device ID of 73D5:C3, which is sandwiched between two variants of desktop Radeon RX 6700 XT graphics cards (varying by TGP specifications). Since both of those variants have 2560 Stream Processors (the full configurations), it would be obvious to expect RX 6800M also to feature the full GPU specs.

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The Navi 22 mobile processor is expected to launch with either 192-bit or 160-bit memory bus. This will allow 12GB and 10GB memory configuration based on this GPU. The RX 6600M and RX 6500M are more likely to launch with Navi 23, the entry-level GPU expected to compete with NVIDIA GA106 GPU-based models. Lastly, the Navi 24 is probably going to remain a choice for multimedia laptops, competing with discrete GPU options such as Intel Xe MAXX or NVIDIA MX400 series.

 

My thoughts

I'm somewhat dissappointed not gonna lie. I was hoping the 6800M would be a Navi 21 GPU with 72-80 CUs but running at a slow clockspeed around 1300MHz to provide it with RX 6800 performance at a reduced TGP closer to 150W but apparently I gusss AMD doesn't want to put their best GPU in Notebooks and instead releasing mobile GPUs the way Nvidia does instead of the way AMD used to. But I guess that's what Nvidia and AMD need to do to trick people into buying a laptop GPU, making the name the same as the desktop in order to not make laptop buyers feel bad for getting an objectively worse GPU. We saw this with Nvidia's 3070 and 3080 notebook GPUs which had Cuda cores that more closely mirrored the 3060Ti and the 3070 desktop cards respectively but with substantially reduced power and clock limits. We also saw this with the 3060 laptop only getting 6GB of VRAM versus the 3060 desktop's 12GB. This kind of behaviour is disgusting and misleads consumers. If the best AMD and Nvidia can offer is 70 class performance on notebooks then they should say and call their GPUs what they are. Calling the 3070 notebook product "3060Ti Notebook" would be consumer friendly and avoid any confusion. Similarly, calling a 3080 notebook a 3070 notebook instead or calling a 6800M a 6700MXT or 6700M instead would be more honest. But being honest doesn't sell laptop GPUs, only lies and deception sell laptop GPUs apparently. With AMD this appears slightly more forgiveable but only slightly because of the M suffix at the end of the name, however both AMD and Nvidia's nomenclature for laptop GPUs that don't perform like their desktop namesake is dishonest at best and possibly false advertising at worst. And even if it is not false advertising, these companies should be condemned for misleading consumers like this yet again.

 

On a side note, I'm very concerned about the RX 6500M only having 4GB VRAM, I can sort of see why they might be doing it, to avoid miners buying 6500M laptops, but it's not enough. This card deserves 8GB VRAM, the 6700M only having 10GB is dissappointing but not unexpected.

 

Sources

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-6800m-high-end-mobile-gaming-card-to-feature-navi-22-gpu

 

 

[D13H4RD]

At the very least, they put an "M" at the end of the name. 

 

They could've just called it the "RX 6800 Laptop" and omit the word "Laptop" when put on a laptop specsheet, but that "M" does help indicate that it is a weaker product in terms of performance versus the desktop counterpart 

[AlTech]

1 minute ago, D13H4RD said:

At the very least, they put an "M" at the end of the name. 

Yes, they do pass the low bar Nvidia set for laptop gpu naming  

1 minute ago, D13H4RD said:

They could've just called it the "RX 6800 Laptop" and omit the word "Laptop" when put on a laptop specsheet, but that "M" does help indicate that it is a weaker product in terms of performance versus the desktop counterpart 

Yeah but AMD using Navi 22 on a product including the name "6800" is wrong.

 

Inb4 AMD creates a cringeyworthy 6900M with the 80 CUs running at slower clocks and having 6800M performance at 150-180W.

[Vishera]

16 minutes ago, D13H4RD said:

At the very least, they put an "M" at the end of the name. 

 

As long as they put a M i am fine with it.

After all they have been doing that for a decade.

For example the Radeon HD 6870M.

 

And the Radeon R9 M295X instead of having two Hawaii GPUs (desktop flagship) had a single Tonga GPU (in desktop it's a R9 285).

[Beerzerker]

I don't rely on leaks so much, although it may reveal some things at this point things about it aren't set in stone just yet.
I'll admit leaks are usually close or even right on but I tend to take it all with a few grains of salt on the side too.

Once it's really out is when we'll truly know.

[TrigrH]

I see no real issue with this, unlike nvidia whos last 2 generations of laptop chips synced with their desktop line up fairly well. 

[Doobeedoo]

I mean I don't think we'll ever see exact name and parity to desktop components in general for mobile parts. Namings just seem to be following the desktop scheme per say, to say appeal in somewhat comparable way to desktop parts, but obviously not being the same. So the highest class laptop part having a name that's same/similar with like M added to be known that that's the highest part for a laptop as a non M would be to desktop.

For sure namings in tech in general could've been better.

[AlTech]

Just now, Tedny said:

hasn't AMD already announced that they making navi mobile? 

Yes but up until this point we didn't know what their lineup would look like or the specs of the lineup. This confirmed the unusual position of AMD to make their flagship gaming notebook graphics use a mid tier Desktop chip.

[Bombastinator]

I perhaps take issue with the “now” in the title. Everyone has always been capable of being misled.  It may be more difficult in some situations but not impossible.  M usually stands for “mobile” so these could just be low power variants for laptops.  The reduced power seems to jive with that.

[Bombastinator]

6 hours ago, Beerzerker said:

I don't rely on leaks so much, although it may reveal some things at this point things about it aren't set in stone just yet.
I'll admit leaks are usually close or even right on but I tend to take it all with a few grains of salt on the side too.

Once it's really out is when we'll truly know.

I would go further and say well vetted ones can be.  There are some extremely bad “leaks” though that are often just random people guessing for clicks.

[GDRRiley]

5 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Yes but up until this point we didn't know what their lineup would look like or the specs of the lineup. This confirmed the unusual position of AMD to make their flagship gaming notebook graphics use a mid tier Desktop chip.

that makes sense though. laptop sells a lot of volume and the smaller die means you can get almost 2x more out.

they make way more money keeping the top die for desktop/server

[Fnige]

10 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

There are some extremely bad “leaks”

*looks at AMD 5ghz leak*

[AlTech]

7 hours ago, GDRRiley said:

that makes sense though. laptop sells a lot of volume and the smaller die means you can get almost 2x more out.

they make way more money keeping the top die for desktop/server

I don’t think that’s the reason. I think the reason is they are afraid to make a mobile version of the big die which will use more power than any AIB is will to handle.
 

Also the fact that Nvidia planned the 3080 to be what is currently the 3070. The 3080 being a GA102 chip on desktop came last minute because Nvidia were afraid of Navi 2X.