What is ur opinion on rgb lighting?

[Bombastinator]

30 minutes ago, CT854 said:

Your gripe is more with how RGB is sold and implemented by companies than the concept itself. I'm talking about how RGB is treated at the consumer end. You bring up good points about bad behavior by companies, but that's not what I'm addressing. My point is "why care what consumers do with their RGB?", not related to your point of "RGB is bad because companies behave badly when making, marketing, and selling the products."

What a person does with it in the privacy of their home after they purchase it is of course their business.  I never ever said it wasn’.  The question was “what is your opinion of rgb lighting” not what is your opinion of people who buy rgb lighting”. You seem to view that as the statement.  You’re the one saying that you think people who don’t like rgb are deficient.    My behavior towards rgb is simple: I don’t use it, I won’t pay for it, I’m not impressed by it. If is see a bunch of it on a machine my first assumption is that machine is very possibly less effective than it could have been because money was spent not on making it perform but on decorating it.  Often badly.  Of the thousands of computers that are probably decorated with rgb, I suspect no more than a couple dozen look really good. Lighting is a tool.  Like a chainsaw.  Good chainsaw sculpture can be done.  It most often isn’t though.  Buying RGB won’t make your computer look good.  I’m not saying it CANT be a visual improvement, I’m saying the vast majority of the time it isn’t and a significant part of the time it actually looks worse than nothing at all.  It’s expensive every single time though.

[CT854]

31 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

The question was “what is your opinion of rgb lighting” not what is your opinion of people who buy rgb lighting”. You seem to view that as the statement.

Yeah, but you posited your post as a response to mine. Why respond to my post about one thing with a completely different line of thought?

 

32 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

You’re the one saying that you think people who don’t like rgb are deficient.

When did I ever say, or even imply that? I have only ever said, "RGB scrooges come off as incredibly prescriptivist and absolute in their opinions" from my anecdotal experiences of people who behave like that. If you interpret that as me believing that "people who don't like RGB are deficient", then (i) that's categorically not what I said, (ii) that ignores the fact that this doesn't address people who don't like RGB as a whole and don't have an issue with others liking it, whom I do not hold any ill will because why would I, but also (iii) that's your... right to believe that's what that means, but I can't see how someone can arrive at that conclusion without extensive hyperbole or distortion of my intentions. I don't care if you don't like RGB, or whether anyone else likes it. I do have an issue with people who are militantly against it and against the people who enjoy it, because why step on someone who enjoys something, and why try to tell someone how to spend their money if they're set on spending it a certain way? I said my piece about how I feel about RGB, and what I've noticed about said people who are militantly against it and the people who enjoy it.

 

33 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

My behavior towards rgb is simple: I don’t use it, I won’t pay for it, I’m not impressed by it.

As is your prerogative... I don't see why there needs to be animosity over someone's preferences unless they are militantly against the idea of someone else having different ones. If you want to judge someone for not maximizing performance per dollar by spending money on RGB you view as pointless, that's also your prerogative. People have different preferences and priorities, and if they choose to spend their money on RGB fans instead of a slightly better component that gives a performance benefit, then that's the priority they've decided to go with.

[Bombastinator]

1 hour ago, CT854 said:

Yeah, but you posited your post as a response to mine. Why respond to my post about one thing with a completely different line of thought?

 

When did I ever say, or even imply that? I have only ever said, "RGB scrooges come off as incredibly prescriptivist and absolute in their opinions" from my anecdotal experiences of people who behave like that. If you interpret that as me believing that "people who don't like RGB are deficient", then (i) that's categorically not what I said, (ii) that ignores the fact that this doesn't address people who don't like RGB as a whole and don't have an issue with others liking it, whom I do not hold any ill will because why would I, but also (iii) that's your... right to believe that's what that means, but I can't see how someone can arrive at that conclusion without extensive hyperbole or distortion of my intentions. I don't care if you don't like RGB, or whether anyone else likes it. I do have an issue with people who are militantly against it and against the people who enjoy it, because why step on someone who enjoys something, and why try to tell someone how to spend their money if they're set on spending it a certain way? I said my piece about how I feel about RGB, and what I've noticed about said people who are militantly against it and the people who enjoy it.

 

As is your prerogative... I don't see why there needs to be animosity over someone's preferences unless they are militantly against the idea of someone else having different ones. If you want to judge someone for not maximizing performance per dollar by spending money on RGB you view as pointless, that's also your prerogative. People have different preferences and priorities, and if they choose to spend their money on RGB fans instead of a slightly better component that gives a performance benefit, then that's the priority they've decided to go with.

Re: First section

 

because it was.  You didn’t just make statement about what you thought of rgb you made statements about what you thought about people who didn’t like it.  As the most prolific poster with a negative view in the forum it could only be referring to me.  My step mother used to pull that one “some people should..” when it was clear by context it could only be the accused.  Vagueness is not a defense.

re:second section

you used terms like “Scrooge” and “perceptivist” I believe.  Scrooge is a negative figure.  it seemed to be intended as pejorative.
 

A bit of a rabbit hole on the terms used

Spoiler

I couldn’t even find a reference to “perceptivist”.  There is “perceptionist” which is a philosophical stance that I perhaps actually sort of like, but reading almost any philosophical stance one tends to feel that way though.  Philosophical stances can be a bit like astrology that way.  It may get absurd and dangerous if pushed far enough though.  Most philosophic stances do that as well. I do believe in universal rather than relative morality though I don’t think it’s as specific as some do, and I don’t intend to pretend to have any Special understanding of it.  
 

Scrooge is one of the classic massively foibled antiheroes of English literature.  One thing about him I find amusing is I was given a book once titled “the history of bullshit” it was the only art book I’ve ever owned, given away, and bought more of for the purpose of giving away.  A terrific object.  Anyway the words “humbug” and “bullshit” have basically the same meaning. 
 

Re: third section

 

why is it that almost every time someone uses the term judging it is either in the same breath as doing so or immediately after?  The title of the thread requested an opinion.  A judgement. But about a system, not a person.  Which is what I gave.  

Youre the one who went off and started making statements about people rather than things.

[CT854]

6 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

As the most prolific poster with a negative view in the forum it could only be referring to me

I was not aware of your reputation as a prolific critic of RGB. I'm not out to get you, and the disproportionate response you gave was probably, in retrospect, the result of feeling personally targeted. I can understand that, but not everything is about you. I am speaking in the general term in my original post, and I speak in the general term in my criticisms and opinions. I'm sorry for your previous experiences of passive-aggressive behavior from others in the past, but this is not a case of that.

 

8 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

you used terms like “Scrooge” and “perceptivist” I believe.  Scrooge is a negative figure.

Yes, I would describe someone who seems to want to step on people who enjoy something as a scrooge. Again, this isn't a personal attack on you. I speak in the general term of people who behave this way. If you think this is targeting you, then that's up for you to decide.

 

As for a prescriptivist, I refer to someone who believes things should be as they prescribe, or people who see things through the lens of how they should or ought to be. I admit I'm using this more in the sense in which it is used in linguistics, but I digress.

 

16 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

why is it that almost every time someone uses the term judging it is either in the same breath as doing so or immediately after?  The title of the thread requested an opinion.  A judgement. But about a system, not a person.  Which is what I gave.  

Youre the one who went off and started making statements about people rather than things.

Again, no need to take this personally. My piece is no more or less valid than your piece. Things just started getting messy when you started to perceive that things were about you when I did not mean for it to be.  I'll say this again: my opinions are not directed at you personally. None of this was about you personally until you perceived it as such. Sure, I have opinions about people who are militantly against RGB and are angry that there are people who enjoy it. Am I not allowed to express my opinions on that insofar as it's related to the topic at hand? I think I am.

 

I don't think it's productive to continue with this, so I'll disengage from here on out.

[Bombastinator]

Re: First cut:

There is no reputation.  I was talking about that thread only.  If I have such a reputation I am unaware of it. 

 

re: second cut

..and you’re doing it again.  Doubling down on it I guess.  
 

In linguistics prescriptivist makes some sense if one is dealing with historical language.  For example in the US the definition of the word “socialism” as used by elements of the right is vastly different from what it was when talked about only 40 years ago.  This isn’t in and of itself a gigantic problem.   The problem occurs when those 40 year old (or more) statements are taken and used with the assumption of the new definition. It implies this writer said one Thing when in fact they did not, and would have likely said the opposite had they been using similar terminology. 
 

re: third cut

.. so your reply to my reply about your statement was referring to what then if not me?

 

[FakeATF]

I like to have backlit stuff, and even an illuminated computer case, but RGB isn't my thing.

[thrasher_565]

On 3/14/2021 at 6:41 PM, Bombastinator said:

 

If rgb was free or even cheap and interconnectable I would agree with you the problem is adding rgb can double the price of a fan or more, and the companies used rgb not being in the atx standard to attempt to trap and control consumers with proprietary connectors that had absolutely no quality improvement over the original non proprietary ones.  This is one of the things shat was so irritating.  There actually WAS a standard created by the light bulb  companies and the computer manufacturers came in and actually deliberately ruined it.  Apple tends to more or less get away with that because when they break a standard they make the new thing significantly qualitatively better.  That did not happen with rgb. 

well rgb has been around way before it was in pc. it was in room lighting and probably cost lots(they all used the jst-sm connector form what i can tell) so only people with money could afford it but the cost keep doping and now its "adorable" for most but by adding it to well anything pc you can get a least $25% more money even if its bad. all it has to say is rgb on the box and people are dum and be lave it.  they also use the cheapest strips posable and charge the most for there stuff its frustrating.

[Bombastinator]

6 minutes ago, thrasher_565 said:

well rgb has been around way before it was in pc. it was in room lighting and probably cost lots(they all used the jst-sm connector form what i can tell) so only people with money could afford it but the cost keep doping and now its "adorable" for most but by adding it to well anything pc you can get a least $25% more money even if its bad. all it has to say is rgb on the box and people are dum and be lave it.  they also use the cheapest strips posable and charge the most for there stuff its frustrating.

It has, and the computer companies managed to make it worse.  Their proprietary connectors are just reworking of the lighting standard with the pin outs switched around and funky connectors to keep them from connecting to each other.  I get the impression that there was some sort of improvement in this with argb. I don’t have details though so I don’t know.

Edited March 16, 2021 by Bombastinator

[thrasher_565]

16 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

It has, and the computer companies managed to make it worse.  Their proprietary connectors are just reworking sod the lighting standard with the pin outs switches around and funky connectors to keep them from connecting to each other.  I get the impression that there was some sort of improvement in this with argb. I don’t have details though so I don’t know.

well my guess it came down to cost the 4pin and 3pin (2+1) were cheap to make,easy to solder to the mb. (ya fun fact the corsair connector was used on a mb once before back in the yee old days were you would hook your cd rom to you mb or sound card for the phone jack). but that connector cost more to make. and there was the 3pin vdg connector for argb witch was a disaster... if you plug it in backward poof. for the 4pin rgb it just wont light up no damage.(unless you got some weird set of strips like ground b,r,g strip instead of ground r,g,b)... not only that there are 12v argb and 5v rgb to boot and now they added 12v argb to mbs! could we get a dumpster fire in the chat!

Edited March 16, 2021 by thrasher_565

[Bombastinator]

1 minute ago, thrasher_565 said:

well my guess it came donw to cost the 4pin and 3pin (2+1) were cheap to make eazy to solder to the mb. ya fun fact the corsair connector was use on mb one before back in the yee old days were you would hook your dcrom to you mb ot sound card for the phone jack. but that connector cost more or make. and there was the 3pin vdg connector for argb witch was a disaster... if you plug it it backward poof for 4pin rgb it just wont light up no damge.

This paragraph may have been a victim of autocorrect. The donw implies differently but it may just be inconsistent.  In any case I’m having trouble parsing it.  

[thrasher_565]

or how about the mb that has all the connectors yes that's right all even up side down ones...

[thrasher_565]

3 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

This paragraph may have been a victim of autocorrect. The donw implies differently but it may just be inconsistent.  In any case I’m having trouble parsing it.  

ya my bad haha

[Bombastinator]

2 minutes ago, thrasher_565 said:

ya my bad haha

No worries. happens to me constantly.  A factor of new keyboard designs.  Some people can simply read through it.  I try but I can’t really do that especially late at night.  

[thrasher_565]

5 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

No worries. happens to me constantly.  A factor of new keyboard designs.  Some people can simply read through it.  I try but I can’t really do that especially late at night.  

ya im not good at spelling,reading and i have dyslexia. so when i dont edit and read my post over a few times this is what you get in the raw from but its on me to try and make it some what readable. i just get lazy having to proof read everything all the time and use google for spellcheck . but i think me typing and reading has help me alot already over the years. i like learning i guess.