Dell 2080 TI from Alienware area 51 is underperforming like crazy

[Meninism]

Hi,

 

I can only tell its underperforming by comparing most of my game's fps to online, in GTA I struggle to get 60 fps with 1080p all low, for rainbow six siege i get about 80-100 fps in all low 1080 p, this has been going on for a longgg time. Also my gpu utilization is almost close to nothing during some games, once had it at 1% during rainbow six siege. For some reason my 3D Mark score is decent (still not to its full potential) https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/59084490? . however my user bench mark score says that I'm underperforming horribly. https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/40520643

 

The attached picture is an image I found online but, its the exact same GPU I have.

 

This whole issue is really getting to my head and is very frustrating, any help is appreciated!

[Helpful Tech Witch]

What are the rest of the specs? (cpu, mem)

Edit: i looked through the userbenchmark thing, and you have a single stick of ram? thats going to tank perf. Get a second stick of 3200mhz. And ENABLE XMP!!!

[DildorTheDecent]

13 minutes ago, Meninism said:

 

Since it's a blower it's probably running at a temperature that's hotter than the sun so it's no surprise that it's not performing as well as other RTX 2080 Ti's. If cooled properly, the card will boost further because the core is cooler. That's how GPU Boost works.

 

The 2950X doesn't help either. It's too slow if you're gaming.

 

Having only 1 stick of RAM is probably causing problems too.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

2 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

Having only 1 stick of RAM is probably causing problems too.

That's going to be the biggest problem. That and the fact that his 3200mhz stick is at 2400mhz.
 

With the 3d mark score being fine, that makes sense, as gpu 3dmark tests don't rely on CPU that much.

[Meninism]

20 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

What are the rest of the specs? (cpu, mem)

Edit: i looked through the userbenchmark thing, and you have a single stick of ram? thats going to tank perf. Get a second stick of 3200mhz. And ENABLE XMP!!!

 

LOL, yea the xmp profile glitches and turns itself off every now and then, it really sucks and i cant seem to find any info on how to fix it, also, im planning on getting another stick but, I'm kind of broke right now lol, so ill see.

 

 

 

 

You can look on my profile for the rest of my specs including my pc part picker list(the gpu is wrong) :

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Threadripper 2950X 3.5 GHz 16-Core Processor	$639.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	NZXT Kraken X63 98.17 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$149.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Gigabyte X399 DESIGNARE EX ATX sTR4 Motherboard	$902.48 @ Amazon
Memory	Kingston HyperX Fury RGB 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$119.39 @ Amazon
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$164.99 @ Adorama
Video Card	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB Founders Edition Video Card	$0.00
Case	NZXT H510 Elite ATX Mid Tower Case	$149.88 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Gigabyte P GM 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Case Fan	NZXT AER RGB 2 52.44 CFM 120 mm Fan	$36.76 @ Amazon
Case Fan	NZXT AER RGB 2 91.19 CFM 140 mm Fan	$39.99 @ Amazon
Monitor	Asus TUF Gaming VG27AQ 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor	$395.07 @ Amazon
Keyboard	Razer Huntsman Mini RGB Wired Mini Keyboard	$129.99 @ Amazon
Mouse	Glorious PC Gaming Race MODEL O Wired Optical Mouse
Headphones	Razer NARI ULTIMATE Headset	$149.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$2878.52
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-03-03 18:07 EST-0500

 

[Meninism]

20 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

Since it's a blower it's probably running at a temperature that's hotter than the sun so it's no surprise that it's not performing as well as other RTX 2080 Ti's. If cooled properly, the card will boost further because the core is cooler. That's how GPU Boost works.

 

The 2950X doesn't help either. It's too slow if you're gaming.

 

Having only 1 stick of RAM is probably causing problems too.

if im doing hardcore gaming i use game mode which cuts cores and threads in half, but, ive seen online and it should affect much performance evn when not using game mode. Also, I average a 4.1 ghz clock, should i overclock at all? Ive heard 2950 x is bad at OC. my temps are a little worse than regualr fans but, i dont go past 75 C during gaming or Mining.

[DildorTheDecent]

14 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

With the 3d mark score being fine, that makes sense,

That 3DMark score is anything but fine. It's severally underperforming. The GPU score for a "stock" RTX 2080 Ti should be at least 32,000 points. Even that as an estimate is "low"

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as gpu 3dmark tests don't rely on CPU that much.

If the CPU is caught sleeping during the combined test the score tanks. It effects the overall score massively as well.

[Meninism]

16 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

If the CPU is caught sleeping during the combined test the score tanks. It effects the overall score massively as well.

What do you mean by sleeping?

[DildorTheDecent]

2 minutes ago, Meninism said:

What do you mean by sleeping?

"caught sleeping" is just a term. Essentially, if you're CPU can't feed your GPU fast enough your score will suffer.

 

The only thing that can help you is changing your platform. Ryzen 3000/whatever Intel is on now would be much better if you're gaming. They have much better single + multi thread performance than Ryzen 2000.

[Meninism]

10 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

The only thing that can help you is changing your platform. Ryzen 3000/whatever Intel is on now would be much better if you're gaming. They have much better single + multi thread performance than Ryzen 2000.

I understand this part but, 2950 x should only sacrifice about 10 frames in most AAA titles. My gpu on the other hand is severely underperforming, i just wanna know if i can fix it or if its a hardware issue and just wait for the 3080 or something like that.

[-rascal-]

3 minutes ago, Meninism said:

I understand this part but, 2950 x should only sacrifice about 10 frames in most AAA titles. My gpu on the other hand is severely underperforming, i just wanna know if i can fix it or if its a hardware issue and just wait for the 3080 or something like that.

 

Given it is a blower style cooler, that RTX 2080 Ti might also not be boost as high, too.

Doesn't help that the NZXT H500 / H510 is also KNOWN to be a "hot box" case...

Considering ThreadRipper and RTX 2080 Ti generate quite a bit of heat too.

The single stick of RAM running at DDR4-2400 will impact the CPU's performance, which then trickles down to GPU performance.

[jones177]

There is a large gaps between performances of 2080 tis. Your GPU is probably using about 100 watts less than my EVGA FTW3 Ultra since it is heat limited. 

Also 2080 tis do not perform well with CPUs with low IPC or frequency. Right now the R9 5950X is producing the best scores. 

 

This is my score with a i9 10900k stock and my 24/7 GPU overclock(+117core +800mem) on the 2080 ti. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/59087825?

The higher GPU and CPU Clock frequency tells the hole story.

 

 

[Meninism]

2 hours ago, jones177 said:

There is a large gaps between performances of 2080 tis. Your GPU is probably using about 100 watts less than my EVGA FTW3 Ultra since it is heat limited. 

Also 2080 tis do not perform well with CPUs with low IPC or frequency. Right now the R9 5950X is producing the best scores. 

 

This is my score with a i9 10900k stock and my 24/7 GPU overclock(+117core +800mem) on the 2080 ti. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/59087825?

The higher GPU and CPU Clock frequency tells the hole story.

 

 

That's impressive, but online results say that I shouldn't be losing too much frames due to my processor, when gaming I switch to game mode or NUMA mode which cuts my threads and cores in half too focus on frequency. Other than my ram I don't think there is any other problem.

[Mark Kaine]

yeah I think this is the 'perfect storm' this pc seems to be make all the mistakes from a blower style gpu to an nzxt case that's known to be hell for even normal gpus to the single channel slow ram... 

 

 

I mean. that's what it looks like. 

 

get a better case. 

 

with tons of fans. 

 

get a cheap, new 8 core /16 threads Intel, and get proper ram (at least 8gb *dual channel* 3000mhz minimum) 

 

and yes, that also means a new motherboard. 

OOF. 

 

 

But I think this is the *cheapest* way to fix this pc, the gpu probably isn't bad at all, under the right conditions... 

 

you may also need a new PSU (not sure depending on what you have now) 

 

 

ps: yeah gigabyte psu should also be replaced. 

 

 

And if you were to do this all, also clean the gpu and replace the thermal paste, it's probably totally dried out from all the heat. 

 

[Meninism]

12 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

yeah I think this is the 'perfect storm' this pc seems to be make all the mistakes from a blower style gpu to an nzxt case that's known to be hell for even normal gpus to the single channel slow ram... 

 

 

I mean. that's what it looks like. 

 

get a better case. 

 

with tons of fans. 

 

get a cheap, new 8 core /16 threads Intel, and get proper ram (at least 8gb *dual channel* 3000mhz minimum) 

 

and yes, that also means a new motherboard. 

OOF. 

 

 

But I think this is the *cheapest* way to fix this pc, the gpu probably isn't bad at all, under the right conditions... 

 

you may also need a new PSU (not sure depending on what you have now) 

 

 

ps: yeah gigabyte psu should also be replaced. 

 

 

And if you were to do this all, also clean the gpu and replace the thermal paste, it's probably totally dried out from all the heat. 

 

How many times do I have to say that my temps are completely fine. My cpu is not the problem, because the 2950 x performs quite well in games. (even better with NULA mode on)

 

The PSU is not the problem, "The P750GM is 80 PLUS Gold certified, as well as ETA-A and LAMBDA-A- certified for, respectively, efficiency and noise on the Cybenetics scale. These are relatively high ratings, showing that this is an efficient and quiet PSU." - techpowerup.com 

 

Yes this case is considered a hot box but most people don't have many problems with it as the temps only rise by a small fraction under load.

 

At this point I'm not sure what else to do. I'm not spending another 1k on parts to improve airflow and get the same result from this gpu.

[King of Memes]

Maybe its bc ur monitor is plugged into the motherboard, or it could be downclocking bc of ur cases shitty airflow. IDK it could be something else to.

[djenson]

21 minutes ago, Meninism said:

How many times do I have to say that my temps are completely fine. My cpu is not the problem, because the 2950 x performs quite well in games. (even better with NULA mode on)

 

The PSU is not the problem, "The P750GM is 80 PLUS Gold certified, as well as ETA-A and LAMBDA-A- certified for, respectively, efficiency and noise on the Cybenetics scale. These are relatively high ratings, showing that this is an efficient and quiet PSU." - techpowerup.com 

 

Yes this case is considered a hot box but most people don't have many problems with it as the temps only rise by a small fraction under load.

 

At this point I'm not sure what else to do. I'm not spending another 1k on parts to improve airflow and get the same result from this gpu.

I know its kinda stupid, but you could go into MSI afterburner, set fan too 100% and rerun the scores seeing if there any better. gonna sound like a jet engine lol. My blower card was limiting the fan speed and throttling instead properly for quietness.

[Mark Kaine]

33 minutes ago, Meninism said:

 I'm not spending another 1k on parts to improve airflow 

Thats understandable, but I stand by what I said, everything points to these parts being some of the worst possible combos imaginable, and it's not just the gpu either, and temps and performance *will* suffer for it, there are really not a lot of other options, likewise changing out the gpu won't be necessarily cheaper or have better results, and if you're convinced these parts are fine and should perform better, I'm not going to argue about that, just inform you that I heavily disagree - and seems I'm not the only thinking this (because it's kind of obvious) 

 

33 minutes ago, Meninism said:

At this point I'm not sure what else to do

like I said you don't have too many options here, you bought the parts now you kinda have to make out with them - or build something that actually makes sense. 

 

 

[-rascal-]

46 minutes ago, KingofMemes said:

Maybe its bc ur monitor is plugged into the motherboard, or it could be downclocking bc of ur cases shitty airflow. IDK it could be something else to.

 

ThreadRipper has no iGPU; the motherboard DOESN'T even have output ports on it.

 

1 hour ago, Meninism said:

How many times do I have to say that my temps are completely fine. My cpu is not the problem, because the 2950 x performs quite well in games. (even better with NULA mode on)

 

The PSU is not the problem, "The P750GM is 80 PLUS Gold certified, as well as ETA-A and LAMBDA-A- certified for, respectively, efficiency and noise on the Cybenetics scale. These are relatively high ratings, showing that this is an efficient and quiet PSU." - techpowerup.com 

 

Yes this case is considered a hot box but most people don't have many problems with it as the temps only rise by a small fraction under load.

 

At this point I'm not sure what else to do. I'm not spending another 1k on parts to improve airflow and get the same result from this gpu.

 

Curious, what temperatures are you getting on the RTX 2080 Ti?

I'm not talking about JUST GPU Core temperature, I'm saying VRAM and VRM (e.g. power phases) temperatures as well.

 

The Gigabyte P-GM PSU is not great; it's actually plagued with a couple issues.

Believe or not, Gamers Nexus "Tech Jesus" is asking GP-P850GM and GP-P750GM users to contact them.

They are investigating the PSU failure, and burning cables issue.

 

PSU falls under the 'Tier-E -- Potentially dangerous in multiple scenarios' category in the LTT PSU Tier List.
 

 

 

It doesn't cost $1000 to improve airflow.

New case like a Phanteks P400A / P500A Digital is.... $100 ~ $130?

Before doing any case buying / swapping, just take the side panel off the NZXT H510.

If temperatures drop by a noticeable amount, THEN you know case airflow is a question.

[King of Memes]

26 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

ThreadRipper has no iGPU; the motherboard DOESN'T even have output ports on it.

 

 

Curious, what temperatures are you getting on the RTX 2080 Ti?

I'm not talking about JUST GPU Core temperature, I'm saying VRAM and VRM (e.g. power phases) temperatures as well.

 

The Gigabyte P-GM PSU is not great; it's actually plagued with a couple issues.

Believe or not, Gamers Nexus "Tech Jesus" is asking GP-P850GM and GP-P750GM users to contact them.

They are investigating the PSU failure, and burning cables issue.

 

PSU falls under the 'Tier-E -- Potentially dangerous in multiple scenarios' category in the LTT PSU Tier List.
 

 

 

It doesn't cost $1000 to improve airflow.

New case like a Phanteks P400A / P500A Digital is.... $100 ~ $130?

Before doing any case buying / swapping, just take the side panel off the NZXY H510.

If temperatures drop by a noticeable amount, THEN you know case airflow is a question.

ok, sry i didnt see his specs

[-rascal-]

5 minutes ago, KingofMemes said:

ok, sry i didnt see his specs

 

Can't just read the first first post mah man. 

OP gave us full system specs in the first reply.

 

[King of Memes]

Just now, -rascal- said:

 

Can't just read the first first post mah man. 

OP gave us full system specs in the first reply.

 

i pressed reply "mah man!" I didnt read the other comments

[jones177]

14 hours ago, Meninism said:

That's impressive, but online results say that I shouldn't be losing too much frames due to my processor, when gaming I switch to game mode or NUMA mode which cuts my threads and cores in half too focus on frequency. Other than my ram I don't think there is any other problem.

You are still short on IPC and frequency. If you are not using your cores you basically are using a R7 2700X.

 

I use game benches to see how my hardware is doing since most games will crash long before synthetic benches do with aggressive overclocks. 

My Favorite game bench is Shadow of the Tomb Raider.  Most Youtubers still use it to test hardware so there is lots of info out there. Assassins' Creed Odyssey is another.

Running benches like those and using MSI Afterburner to monitor is the way to go. I even record them so I can look at them later and compare with other videos.

 

[LunaEclipsed]

as has been suggested in a previous post you should slot in another stick of 3200Mhz ram to get dual channel and enable xmp that will solve some overall issues however i would also suggest using something like msi afterburner to set an overclock on your GPU thermals allowing that should help some of the issuse blower type cards tend to be sock speeds or underclocked by the makers of the card

 

my pny 2080 ti blower card was underclocked by pny due to its blower design but i found it could handle the normal aftermarket speeds just fine sure its loud but its temps are normal still and it runs up there in terms of performance