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[vellarexas]

So i reacently built a new pc which the specs are as follows.

Gt 1030 gddr5

Ryzen 5 3600

16gb ddr4 ram

600 Watt power supply

I know that the i could get a better gpu with more power. But these be quitting days because of a certain virus but i was wondering. What kind of porformance would i get if i installed ubuntu 20.04 on my build would be worth it. I plan on using it for gaming mostly games like halo mcc, doom, and fallout 4 thanks for your help.

[Master Disaster]

As a general rule, gaming performance is worse on Linux than on Windows and a lot of games straight up won't run at all.

[mahyar]

well those games that you listed will run but because the way wine and dxvk and vkd3d work there always be a performance panelty it can be noticable in games like dark souls 3 but in most cases its below 5%

[Spotty]

Moved to the Linux subforum.

[vellarexas]

Would i get extra proformance using a linux distro that is lighter or would that still not help?

[mahyar]

Just now, vellarexas said:

Would i get extra proformance using a linux distro that is lighter or would that still not help?

well yes you will but as i said if you are very lucky it matches windows 

but there are games that perform better in linux 

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, vellarexas said:

Would i get extra proformance using a linux distro that is lighter or would that still not help?

OS weight isn't the issue, instruction translation is. DirectX only games have to be fed through a translator to turn them into something Linux can understand, this comes at a performance cost.

[mahyar]

Just now, Master Disaster said:

OS weight isn't the issue, instruction translation is. DirectX only games have to be fed through a translator to turn them into something Linux can understand, this comes at a performance cost.

well directx is not the only thing

even native vulkan games like doom and doom eternal and RDR 2 & ... have performance loss

[vellarexas]

3 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

OS weight isn't the issue, instruction translation is. DirectX only games have to be fed through a translator to turn them into something Linux can understand, this comes at a performance cost.

So then would different games that support stuff like opengl and vulkan i would i get better fps in or would it atill be an issue

[vellarexas]

4 minutes ago, mahyar said:

well directx is not the only thing

even native vulkan games like doom and doom eternal and RDR 2 & ... have performance loss

So i should stick with window 10 or would it matter

[mahyar]

Just now, vellarexas said:

So i should stick with window 10 or would it matter

well as i said performance loss is not much around 5%

and the fact than most things linux are easier than they used to be even a few month ago i'd say it depends on you

[vellarexas]

7 minutes ago, mahyar said:

well as i said performance loss is not much around 5%

and the fact than most things linux are easier than they used to be even a few month ago i'd say it depends on you

Would overclocking the gpu help or would it even make an impact.

[mahyar]

Just now, vellarexas said:

Would overclocking the gpu help or would it even make an impact.

yes it will help

but a gpu like gt1030 isnt upto much anyway and overclocking it wont yield a large improvement regardless of os  

[vellarexas]

2 minutes ago, mahyar said:

yes it will help

but a gpu like gt1030 isnt upto much anyway and overclocking it wont yield a large improvement regardless of os  

That is not entirely true i have read a post that the person claims with the right cooling you can get gtx 1050 lp prformance in a gt 1030 but i wouldn't know if it would be worth it in the end it would probably just make the gpu die faster this is the reddit post that claims it https://amp-reddit-com.cdn.ampproject.org/wp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/a8s33j/gt_1030_extreme_over_clocking_1050_performance/?usqp=mq331AQSKAFQApgBm-zkwsfm_dcvsAEg but thank you for your input on my discussion very helpful thanks. 

[Froody129]

40 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

OS weight isn't the issue, instruction translation is. DirectX only games have to be fed through a translator to turn them into something Linux can understand, this comes at a performance cost.

I wonder if it would be possible to use ASIC hardware to do that at minimal performance loss, then use a very lightweight Linux distro to end up with better performance. Of course it's not really applicable to OP's case, but I'd imagine enthusiasts with already top-end hardware might be interested in squeezing some more performance out of their machines.

[Drama Lama]

2 hours ago, vellarexas said:

So i reacently built a new pc which the specs are as follows.

Gt 1030 gddr5

Ryzen 5 3600

16gb ddr4 ram

600 Watt power supply

I know that the i could get a better gpu with more power. But these be quitting days because of a certain virus but i was wondering. What kind of porformance would i get if i installed ubuntu 20.04 on my build would be worth it. I plan on using it for gaming mostly games like halo mcc, doom, and fallout 4 thanks for your help.

if you want more fps maybe try to debloat Windows

[mamamia88]

Can you not still find a 580 for $100 on ebay? 

[Wild Penquin]

On 2/10/2021 at 10:15 AM, mahyar said:

well directx is not the only thing

even native vulkan games like doom and doom eternal and RDR 2 & ... have performance loss

Your point is right in principle, but none of the examples you've given are native Linux games.

 

They are using Vulkan but they are using the Windows implementation of it. Which means they still need to run trough Wine implementation of the Windows API (Windos Vulkan -> Linux Vulkan will include it's own computation costs, which might not be at all faster than, say, dxvk).

 

Games which have a real Native Linux port run very well (X-COM series, Tomb Raider series for example).

[mahyar]

12 minutes ago, Wild Penquin said:

Your point is right in principle, but none of the examples you've given are native Linux games.

 

They are using Vulkan but they are using the Windows implementation of it. Which means they still need to run trough Wine implementation of the Windows API (Windos Vulkan -> Linux Vulkan will include it's own computation costs, which might not be at all faster than, say, dxvk).

 

Games which have a real Native Linux port run very well (X-COM series, Tomb Raider series for example).

well those games because the way they are ported also have a performance penalty although small its there  

[el_murdoque]

On 2/11/2021 at 1:03 PM, Wild Penquin said:

Games which have a real Native Linux port run very well (X-COM series, Tomb Raider series for example).

They do, but I think the Linux Nvidia drivers leave quite some room for improvement. 

On my home system (i7/16gig /GTX1660super) there is a difference between Ubuntu 20.10 and Win10, both in Unigine Benchmarks and in games (Tomb Raider).  

[Alexeygridnev1993]

People use Linux for various reasons, but improving their gaming performance is not one of them. The only scenario when I can see an uplift in gaming performance from Linux usage is 1) your games are Linux-native, and 2) your PC is so weak that Windows itself eats a significant chuck of performance because it is so bloated these days. None of the two conditions are true in your case. Plus, a lot of people have problems with NVidia proprietary drivers which may not play well with the rest of the system (hence a famous Linus Torvalds rant).

[Wild Penquin]

15 hours ago, el_murdoque said:

They do, but I think the Linux Nvidia drivers leave quite some room for improvement. 

This is true, which is why I prefer amd GPUs. Not only did the NVidia Linux drivers have a bit less-than-Window performance, their overall quality and stability is worse (also, no support whatsoever from NVidia; but for AMGPU drivers: if you know how to gather information from crashes, logs etc. - even better if you can run a debugger - it is actually possible to get help and bugs fixed with amdgpu by posting useful bug reports in trackers).

 

As for OPs question: indeed Linux is not any magic wand, it does not make your PC magically perform better. In some corner cases it may be possible to do thing X on a setup, with H/W which can barely manage it, on Linux, while it is not possible on Windows. Gaming is not one of them.