PC Master Race - Beating the Series X

[Nena Trinity]

1 hour ago, Commodus said:

Gotta have an m.2 SSD. I've heard the GPU performance is comparable to an RTX 2060/2070, but that may be hard to fully gauge as it can vary widely depending on the game.

Its not as hard as you may think, look at the RDNA2 cards! Find the ones with matching TFLOPs and boom you got the right GPU my guess is 6700 may be a PS5 GPU while XT will be XBsX GPU...

[Rugg]

6 hours ago, JR1911 said:

This still wasn't an apples to apples comparison, if your price to match is the price of a new Xbox then you should only be allowed to use new parts. If your using used parts the you should also be comparing the price to a used Xbox.

And how much does a used XBSX cost?

[LKCosmoz]

58 minutes ago, Rugg said:

And how much does a used XBSX cost?

So I just made this account to say I sold my used XBSX that I got day one on launch, last friday for literally the price I paid for it at launch which is 12000 ZAR, which translates to 700 USD at the time but that's our retail price here.

[Rugg]

4 minutes ago, LKCosmoz said:

So I just made this account to say I sold my used XBSX that I got day one on launch, last friday for literally the price I paid for it at launch which is 12000 ZAR, which translates to 700 USD at the time but that's our retail price here.

Exactly, so basically my point is that the guy I responded to said that LTT should have built their pc based on the price of a used xbsx. Problem is a used sbsx costs basically as much as retail.

In fact, I think ltt spent too little money, xbox still charges money for online play. You could build a faster system for the price of xbsx+online for the lifespan of the device

[Zberg]

Fun comparison to watch, but honestly so many variables going on now it is hard to make a proper comparison.  

 

Both the consoles and the CPU/GPU market are boned right now with massive upsells.  There are also different resolution options available to choose on PC, which you could argue make the comparison more muddy, but consoles have also used upscaling from a lower res for a long time too (checkerboard) rather than straight native.

 

I think a true MSRP comparison when availability catches up is a more sound method.

 

Also, that would make for a more tempting PC comparison, as once prices do come down to where they should be, a good PC with an RTX 3060 (or ti) would basically do the trick, get you performance on par with a console, all the new RTX/tensor stuff, with a massive upgrade path for 700-800$.  A 2600/3060 combo would honestly give the consoles a run for their money.  And usually right after a console launch the value/dollar hugely shifts toward the consoles.  The consoles are still winning out, but at MSRP (both console and GPU's) it really isnt that far off now.  

 

I feel like when the PS4 launched you needed a 1000$ PC (at the time) to keep up with the performance you got from a PS4/Xbox for 400$.  The consoles are now 500 (again at ideal MSRP) and you could get that performance for 700-800 (if you could buy a 3060 or 3060ti for MSRP).  Definitely not as stark as it was in the past IMO.

[Rugg]

13 minutes ago, Zberg said:

I think a true MSRP comparison when availability catches up is a more sound method.

I agree to an extent, it makes sense. But my issue with it is LTT mentions all the time that they recommend buying used parts because it is a way you can get more bang for your buck, especially in a budget. So if they recommend it, they should do it.

Now, of course, the used market is very unstable since if you get a good deal, and nobody else can find a good deal, your youtube video will be "fake" and whatnot.

[JR1911]

12 hours ago, Rugg said:

 Problem is a used sbsx costs basically as much as retail.

That's only because of current supply shortages, when the supply situation normalizes prices of used Xboxes will also drop to normal. My point still stands that if you're going to do a comparison then you have to compare new hardware against new hardware and used against used.

 

I'm not hating against the video, I still enjoyed watching it, I just think that the premise of it is flawed.

[Gaijin]

15 hours ago, Radium_Angel said:

There is one thing a PC will always beat a console at:

Upgradability.

 

 

Not if you're buying a board for a ten year old arch off aliexpress champ.

[SteveGrabowski0]

14 hours ago, Rugg said:

In fact, I think ltt spent too little money, xbox still charges money for online play. You could build a faster system for the price of xbsx+online for the lifespan of the device

Eh, not everyone cares about online play. I have never bought XBox Live Gold nor Playstation Plus for my 360 nor PS4. Even if you add in 7 years of XBox Live Gold at $60 a year though, you'd still be hard pressed to build a system with an RTX 3060 Ti + Ryzen 7 3700x + 1TB NVME SSD for $920 (XSX gpu was confirmed by Digital Foundry to be around 2080 performance making 3060 Ti the closest equivalence).

 

One real wildcard though is DLSS-2.0. If Nvidia releases something decent in the $250 range then with DLSS-2.0 you could probably outperform XSX gpu and get close to that $920 budget if you have a retail Windows key you can reuse and don't have to buy mouse/kb and/or controller.

[williamcll]

I do wonder if it's possible to sell PC at a loss but make up revenue through other means like how consoles work.

[wanderingfool2]

On 1/25/2021 at 11:42 AM, JR1911 said:

This still wasn't an apples to apples comparison, if your price to match is the price of a new Xbox then you should only be allowed to use new parts. If your using used parts the you should also be comparing the price to a used Xbox.

 

21 hours ago, XenZibe said:

Think this was perhaps one of the most useless videos I've ever seen on this channel.

 

- Single Channel Memory?

- Pointless talking about parts which didn't work together? Did you legit just read out what you attempted as an attempt to extend the video minutes? Why do we need to know what you did behind the scenes with weirdo chinese parts?

- All used parts, like you even said it yourself, the graphics card looked like it game from a mining rig. 

- Fire hazard motherboard???????

- "our initial plans didn't work, so we got lazy and just used a old process from the warehouse"????

 

Feels like genuinely out of ideas shit here. And I feel like I see this kind of video every now and then. Which might explain also why I'm exhausted with seeing the same old same old.

 

This does absolutely nothing for the notion of buying used in order to get parts in. Why don't you just accept the consoles are genuinely a good deal instead of steering customers towards hardware failure.

I think the last 2 minutes of the video pretty much covered what the point of it though.  That for the pricing, you can't really beat consoles at the moment...and based on how the entire style of the video was, it came across very much like they were setting it up that was as well (i.e. using a better CPU and such when the one they ordered didn't work).  They even admitted their pricing didn't include the shipping costs.

 

Ultimately,  I liked the video because it really showed how ridiculous they had to go to get close to the performance

[geok1ng]

I think the discussion is heading towards a few relevant points: 

-Any hope to build something at same price points is useless because every GPU is overpriced these days. At MRSP, the goal could be reached even using new GPU like the 1660(ti).

-LTT team's knowledge of Xeon builds can improve before they try something like that again. I would like to suggest a Jingsha X79A + E5 2470 . That would leave US$425 to build the PC. 

[Zberg]

6 hours ago, wanderingfool2 said:

That for the pricing, you can't really beat consoles at the moment...and based on how the entire style of the video was, it came across very much like they were setting it up that was as well (i.e. using a better CPU and such when the one they ordered didn't work).  They even admitted their pricing didn't include the shipping costs.

This is pretty much the standard.  When consoles launch, there is usually a big leap forward in graphics both from the hardware they include as well as the developers finally being able to make stuff at higher rez knowing it will be playable.

 

Also, usually when they launch, the difference is massive (between console vs PC).  The big difference now (compared to the past releases) is that PC's have already had playable framerates at 4k.  Consoles are really just getting there now (and no 15-30 fps is not playable  ).   There were cards two gens ago (1080ti) that could do 4k and hold their own (as much as a 3060ti can...which is at least on par with the new consoles). 

 

The consoles are certainly offering a better price/performance to GET 4k gaming, but it honestly isnt as impressive as comparisons in previous generations.

[SolarNova]

On 1/25/2021 at 5:57 PM, ColinLTT said:

~SNIP~

Really disappointing video.

You made a rather big blunder in your comparison.

 

Now ofc im a PC guy, so im all for the whole PCMR concept, but even so, your video was heavily in favor of the PC.

 

For starters, your comparing new vs used.

New price Console vs Used Price PC parts.

Ok, sure u can make an argument for that ..but combined with the following.. not so much.

 

You tested using Dynamic resolution scaling.

This immediately makes any FPS comparisons void. It also makes comparing visual quality very difficult as its always changing.

 

Dynamic resolution scaling is one of those settings that IMO should NEVER be enabled by default, its 'cheap' way of faking performance and in many cases is used instead of actually optimizing the game.

 

Your also targeting 4k 60fps, as good as the XboX SX is ..not all games actually run at 60fps, some even target 30fps like Control, and if they also have built in Dynamic resolution, that further makes it next to impossible to compare against without frame to frame comparisons of identical scenes, which ofc u didnt show.

 

Basically, because of this ...your entire video is ...useless.  Sorry just being honest here.