10400f VS 3600

[_lucalink]

I am planning a new build and am trying to decide which of these CPU's to go for. I can get the R5 3600 with the stock cooler for £180 and a B450 Steel Legend ATX motherboard for £90 making the entire assembly of MoBo, Cooler and CPU £270 or I can get a 10400f for £130 with a ML120 V2 AIO for £36 and a B460 tomahawk for £115 making the whole thing £280. I would have to get an extra case fan if i went for the R5 Config so the prices would be identical. I will be primarily using the system for gaming and schoolwork, as well as some very occasional editing. For some extra context I will be most likely pairing with a RTX 3060Ti ( potentially a 3060 non TI ) and using either a 1080p 240hz or 1440p 144hz Display (I havent decided which to get yet) and will be Single player games like RDR2 and Witcher aswell as Multiplayer titles like Battlefront 2, CSGO, Cod, etc... It would be great to know which of these configurations you think would be better. 

 

 

[boggy77]

the 3600 is better than the 10400f.

[alatron978]

Just now, boggy77 said:

the 3600 is better than the 10400f.

No it isn't.
 

[AndreiArgeanu]

R5 3600, you have XMP, higher all core boost clocks + the added ability to OC and possibly higher IPC.

[alatron978]

6 minutes ago, _lucalink said:

I am planning a new build and am trying to decide which of these CPU's to go for. I can get the R5 3600 with the stock cooler for £180 and a B450 Steel Legend ATX motherboard for £90 making the entire assembly of MoBo, Cooler and CPU £270 or I can get a 10400f for £130 with a ML120 V2 AIO for £36 and a B460 tomahawk for £115 making the whole thing £280. I would have to get an extra case fan if i went for the R5 Config so the prices would be identical. I will be primarily using the system for gaming and schoolwork, as well as some very occasional editing. For some extra context I will be most likely pairing with a RTX 3060Ti ( potentially a 3060 non TI ) and using either a 1080p 240hz or 1440p 144hz Display (I havent decided which to get yet) and will be Single player games like RDR2 and Witcher aswell as Multiplayer titles like Battlefront 2, CSGO, Cod, etc... It would be great to know which of these configurations you think would be better. 

 

 

10400F has a stock cooler that is perfectly fine. Just cut the cooler out of the 10400F system and it'll be faster and cheaper.

[Princess Luna]

The video below has every bit of information on what benchmarks are concerned you could possible need:

Here's a few things for you to consider:

 

The stock cooler on the R5 3600 is by all means sufficient for it meaning you'd not have to buy an aftermarket cooler already improving on pricing ratio.

The R5 3600 seems to fair better than the i5 10400F on 1080p high refresh, e-sports games and alike.

The B450 motherboard has better upgrade path.

 

So if you pricing ends up near enough the same the winner here is the R5 3600.

[AndreiArgeanu]

1 minute ago, alatron978 said:

No it isn't.
 

Yes it is. Did you even bother to check the benchmarks. Also the 10400F only does 4ghz all core.

[alatron978]

Just now, Princess Luna said:

The video below has every bit of information on what benchmarks are concerned you could possible need:

Here's a few things for you to consider:

 

The stock cooler on the R5 3600 is by all means sufficient for it meaning you'd not have to buy an aftermarket cooler already improving on pricing ratio.

The R5 3600 seems to fair better than the i5 10400F on 1080p high refresh, e-sports games and alike.

The B450 motherboard has better upgrade path.

 

So if you pricing ends up near enough the same the winner here is the R5 3600.

That benchmark is pretty useless considering hwub's averaging methodology.

[alatron978]

2 minutes ago, AndreiArgeanu said:

Yes it is. Did you even bother to check the benchmarks. Also the 10400F only does 4ghz all core.

Yeah I checked the bench on average it is slower.

 

 

[WhitetailAni]

2 minutes ago, alatron978 said:

Yeah I checked the bench on average it is slower.

That is the same screenshot.
"average" requires at least 3 samples, not 1.

[alatron978]

2 minutes ago, ragnarok0273 said:

That is the same screenshot.
"average" requires at least 3 samples, not 1.

Yeah it is the same screenshot because it didn't let me delete the 2nd image. That is an average from the source which is linked above. You can also average 2 results, you don't need 3 to have an average.

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, alatron978 said:

You can also average 2 results, you don't need 3 to have an average.

A 2-data-point average is less accurate. Let's say you have two points from extreme ends. The mean will be about in the middle, nowhere near either points.

If you have 3 points with 2 on one end and 1 on the other, the mean will be closer to the end with more data points.

If you're using median, then you end up with the same thing.

Mode fails unless you have 3 or more.

[Princess Luna]

3 minutes ago, alatron978 said:

That benchmark is pretty useless considering hwub's averaging methodology.

I sense some unnecessary bias in here. The reality is that the 10400 and 3600 are too close to one another to really matter, your own "better methodology" benchmarks shows a variance within 1%~2% meaning OP won't be gaining or losing significant performance regardless what they choose.

 

So we get back to the fact that if they are paying the same price, potentially cheaper with the Ryzen if they stick to stock cooler, there's the notion AMD is still a better pick thanks to not locking CPU/Memory overclocking and having a superior upgrade path (without mention actual better performance on other content creation applications should OP ever want those).

[alatron978]

Just now, ragnarok0273 said:

A 2-data-point average is less accurate. Let's say you have two points from extreme ends. The mean will be about in the middle, nowhere near either points.

If you have 3 points with 2 on one end and 1 on the other, the mean will be closer to the end with more data points.

If you're using median, then you end up with the same thing.

Mode fails unless you have 3 or more.

Of course it is, what matters is that the 10400F is faster then the 3600 in a gaming workload though.

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, alatron978 said:

what matters is that the 10400F is faster then the 3600 in a gaming workload

It may be, but you're not looking at it from a value perspective.

Read this:

2 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

I sense some unnecessary bias in here. The reality is that the 10400 and 3600 are too close to one another to really matter, your own "better methodology" benchmarks shows a variance within 1%~2% meaning OP won't be gaining or losing significant performance regardless what they choose.

 

So we get back to the fact that if they are paying the same price, potentially cheaper with the Ryzen if they stick to stock cooler, there's the notion AMD is still a better pick thanks to not locking CPU/Memory overclocking and having a superior upgrade path (without mention actual better performance on other content creation applications should OP ever want those).

 

[alatron978]

1 minute ago, Princess Luna said:

I sense some unnecessary bias in here. The reality is that the 10400 and 3600 are too close to one another to really matter, your own "better methodology" benchmarks shows a variance within 1%~2% meaning OP won't be gaining or losing significant performance regardless what they choose.

 

So we get back to the fact that if they are paying the same price, potentially cheaper with the Ryzen if they stick to stock cooler, there's the notion AMD is still a better pick thanks to not locking CPU/Memory overclocking and having a superior upgrade path (without mention actual better performance on other content creation applications should OP ever want those).

Bench I showed had the 10400F 10% faster in a like for like scenario. They'd be paying less if they went for a cheaper b460 and didn't through a cooler in with the 3600. I see personally no reason to spend more money on something that is slower.

Regarding cpu and mem oc yes that could easily put the 3600 10~20% above the 10400F, though I don't expect that most people would engage in these kinds of overclocking.

 

The 3600 having a better upgrade path is also dependent on your workload, for gaming the 10400F for sure has a better upgrade path since the 10900K beats anything AMD offers and has rocketlake on the horizon.

[boggy77]

this would be the ryzen system i'd recommend:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	£182.47 @ Ebuyer
Motherboard	ASRock B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard	£75.00 @ CCL Computers
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory	£79.98 @ Aria PC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£337.45
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-01-22 14:51 GMT+0000

 

this would be the intel system i'd recommend:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i5-10400F 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor	£128.00 @ Amazon UK
CPU Cooler	be quiet! Pure Rock Slim 35.14 CFM CPU Cooler	£22.95 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard	MSI MAG B460 TORPEDO ATX LGA1200 Motherboard	£93.25 @ CCL Computers
Memory	PNY Anarchy-X 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	£59.86 @ CCL Computers
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£304.06
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-01-22 14:52 GMT+0000

 

 

overall, you'd save £30 by going intel, having very similar performance.

[alatron978]

2 minutes ago, ragnarok0273 said:

It may be, but you're not looking at it from a value perspective.

Read this:

 

If they don't buy a cooler with the 10400F it would be cheaper. And the 10400F doesn't need a cooler, the stock one is not good but adequate.

[boggy77]

1 minute ago, alatron978 said:

10900K beats anything AMD offers and has rocketlake on the horizon.

it doesn't beat the 5000 series and you wouldn't put a 10900k in a b460 board anyway, whereas you can put a 5600x in that b450 without any issues.

[alatron978]

1 minute ago, boggy77 said:

it doesn't beat the 5000 series and you wouldn't put a 10900k in a b460 board anyway, whereas you can put a 5600x in that b450 without any issues.

The 10900K does beat the 5000 series AMD chips.

Note that the TPU messed up the mem oc on the 10900K, so ignore the 3800 cl16 mem results.

[boggy77]

2 minutes ago, alatron978 said:

The 10900K does beat the 5000 series AMD chips.

not in a b460 board

[alatron978]

1 minute ago, boggy77 said:

not in a b460 board

If you have the same mem settings on the ryzen 5000 system it would.

[WhitetailAni]

3 minutes ago, alatron978 said:

The 10900K does beat the 5000 series AMD chips.

Is there any reason why you want Intel to win so badly?

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, alatron978 said:

If you have the same ram on the ryzen 5000 system it would.

B460 locks out RAM speed to 2933, remember?

[alatron978]

Just now, ragnarok0273 said:

Is there any reason why you want Intel to win so badly?

I'm just stating facts, I don't care if AMD or Intel is on top, but I do care about knowing which is currently on top. I'd prefer AMD to be on top though since Intel is still using skylake which is just ancient at this point.