Bad following.

[oldSock]

Topic: Bad following:

 

Discussion bullet points:

• how a bad following can rune a good thing.
• signs of a bad following.

 

 

A very long time ago, a game reviewer refused to review portal and portal 2 because of its fan base. Personally i never gave it a second thought until recently. Essentially that can happen to games, content creation and the type of content. Nothing is really immune.

 

A few signs are people changing a topic. Example a reviewer can talk about one thing, then someone will make it about something else taking away context. Then you have the momentum following the new narrative and thus creating "false momentum". They will basically repeat the new narrative and continue to attack the original creator for things they simply did not say.

 

Why am i writing about this?

 

Simply put if "bad followings" are going to attack creators, i can see them disabling comments outright. That would be bad because there will be no conversation. However i can understand why creators are going to start doing this. Sad...

[Aereldor]

Just now, DriftMan said:

Friends of mine hate Harry Potter because of its fan base, I dislike JoJo (and any regular anime series that becomes pretty popular among non-anime people) for its fan base, lots of people hate Fortnite for its fan base, many people HATE (not even not caring, but hating) Nintendo games because of its fan base. I get that  the fan base can make you hate something, specially when you enjoy it at first and you get a really bad feedback when looking more into it. But for JoJo, I really dislike it because people are like JoJo this, JoJo that, omg best show ever omg omg, and one becomes exhausted.

Nintendo games have a toxic fanbase? Which ones? I don't think I've ever heard that about Zelda, Mario, Metroid... Or are you referring specifically to Animal Crossing, Pokemon, and Smash?

[Aereldor]

4 minutes ago, DriftMan said:

Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Smash and Zelda, those 4 have terrbie fanbases, Nintendo in general has a terrible fanbase so it's to be expected that their most famous games too

This is the first I've heard about Zelda having a terrible fanbase... Like, ever. And also, how would the fanbase of a Zelda game actually affect the product? It's not an MMO.

[Aereldor]

The only way a fanbase can ruin an otherwise good game is in an MMO, where the community could effectively make it bad. I don't really see how toxic fans could 'make a good game bad'. Likewise, an amazing community based on a shit game doesn't make it a good game... A cult game, maybe, or a so-bad-it's good game... I don't see any other way this would work.

[Aereldor]

Just now, DriftMan said:

The product itself, unless the developers/creators listen to the fanbase, won't be affected but the quality of the experience for consumers will obviously be affected. People not going into something they initially were interested in just because the fanbase makes the product horrible. I have a little cousin (11-12 yo) who recently got into Rocket League and FNAF. He showed me some Discord channels and forums about it and it changed a lot since the release of both games/series. That's enough to ruin a product if it's affecting the main lore or story and you become exhausted of it.

 

Okay... But Rocket League and FNAF are not Zelda. Also, Nintendo listening to their fans based the whole premise for arguably the best Zelda games... Fans responded negatively to The Wind Waker's whimsical cartoon art style, so we got Twilight Princess - the gritty dark fantasy Zelda from the teasers that everyone liked. Skyward Sword was criticized for being too linear, having too much backtracking and to relatively unimpressive areas, and gimmicky, fidgety controls. The next game we got was Breath of the Wild... Need I say more?

 

Smash is a competitive esports title, Animal Crossing seems MMOish, and Pokemon is just a stupidly large franchise. But you still haven't really substantiated this claim of Zelda having a bad fanbase at all, let alone how it affects the games.

[Aereldor]

4 minutes ago, DriftMan said:

No, not really, good example of the fanbase we get here

So... Now you agree that Zelda has a good fanbase that resulted in two of its best games? I don't understand

[Aereldor]

20 minutes ago, DriftMan said:

Look, the fanbase is the fanbase. It has literally nothing to do with the quality of the product. I never said Zelda devs never listened to the fanbase or certain fans/reviewers. I never said Zelda were crap. I never said it's an absurdly overrated series.

 

You, part of the Zelda fanbase, are getting all this out of context. I said that there are terrible fanbases out there. You asked me what I mean by Nintendo games fanbases, and I told you Smash, Pokemon, Zelda and Animal Crossing has terrible fanbases imo. And you started talking about how can the fanbase affect the game, and that only MMO games can be affected by terrible fanbases. Well, you said that, I didn't. Then you started with how can a terrible fanbase affect the product. And I replied

Literally this, and you came with how Zelda has become the perfect series or whatever.

I mean, you are part of the terrible fanbase I was referring to, no one can talk about your favorite game without you going crazy. Damn, chill, it's just a game they don't need your forum protection.

 

I'm not a 'part of the zelda fanbase', I've never as much as interacted with another Zelda fan besides my little sister, who played the games with me. You're said it had a terrible fanbase, I guess for reasons that will forever remain unknown.

[minibois]

The fanbase of a franchise does affect the enjoyment of said franchise, or at least when considering a lot of people nowadays don't just play a game for example, but also watch videos about it.

A fanbase also indirectly influences your opinion on a franchise.

1 hour ago, oldSock said:

A very long time ago, a game reviewer refused to review portal and portal 2 because of its fan base.

Very understandable.

If the fanbase is seen as hostile, they will most likely attack the reviewer for saying anything negative, even if the overall review might be positive.

[Aereldor]

Just now, DriftMan said:

 I didn't even mention Zelda in my first comment

 

Uh

59 minutes ago, DriftMan said:

Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Smash and Zelda, those 4 have terrbie fanbases

 

2 minutes ago, DriftMan said:

I said many people hate some Nintendo games because of the fanbase. Jesus Christ dude, what do I care what are those games? Why do you have to bore anyone like that because you are so obsessed with it? Jesus Christ the state of some fanbases.

I am literally trying to understand why you said those four franchises - the last one in particular - have 'terrible fanbases'

[Aereldor]

7 minutes ago, DriftMan said:

Because of people like you, who can't take a critic and always try to start a discussion about their favorite game series. Literally that. If you say "Damn, that last Pokemon game really is bad..." you would expect a Pokemon fanboy to come and bore you like you did with me. Well, the Zelda series is full of people like you who can't take the slightest critic. Full of people complaining about devs "not making games as they used to...", people complaining whatever the devs do, people complaining about the lore not making sense or as you said

 

They criticise everything, not matter what. And when someone says they don't like Zelda series, they chimpout. That's the definition of toxic fanbase. Any more questions? No? Yes? Satisfied? Whatever you answer: good, because this is it, I'm not replying anymore.

 

I don't like Zelda, and there's literally no reason why I should argue about a game I dislike. If you want to know anything else, go check their fanbase as everyone else does. But don't bother everyone else as you have done just because you are a fanboy of something. It's literally the whole premise of "Android vs Apple" or "Windows vs Apple" or whatever, people not letting anyone hate on their preferences.

 

Jesus Christ, dude. Like, really.

 

But... What is your criticism? Idk why you're whining about someone's ability to take criticism when you haven't made any criticisms.

 

I think you might be imagining my alleged 'attacks' on you and whatever 'chimp out' means. Try to keep things civil, this is a public forum. If you insist on being rude, my DMs are always open.

[kaiju_wars]

Being a big Godzilla fan, and tokusatsu in general... yeah that fanbase is pretty fucking toxic if you don't agree with the general consensus.

 

The Nintendo fanbase can be pretty bad, but it's mostly the fans who are never happy.  They continue buying products, but will bitch even when they get exactly what they asked for, they'll bitch especially if they get even more than they asked for.

 

The worst I've seen out of the big three is Sony fanboys though.  Jesus.

 

Otherwise, bad following, only one has made me hate something and that's undertale fans.  Otherwise I'm generally just like, "okay?"  I don't typically enter fanbases cause of my experience of the godzilla fanbase.

[Aereldor]

Just now, DriftMan said:

Why should I have any criticism towards Zelda at all? No, I'm not imaging you are attacking me, I'm telling you, you are boring me with the Zelda topic. I'm keeping things civil, I'm just telling you, you shouldn't be bothering people about topics they don't care about

You said it had a terrible fanbase. When I asked why, after being very rude for a very long time, you said it was because of their inability to take criticism, and for some reason wanted to use me as an example... But never shared your actual criticisms... 

 

When it comes to Zelda fans being stalwartly defensive, zelda fans not liking zelda games is kinda the whole reason for two of them... So I don't know about the validity of this either.

 

You're not keeping things civil... 3 exasperated uses of 'jesus christ', telling me I'm 'chimping out' (looked that up, nice racism bro) saying I'm 'going crazy', using accusatory language like 'full of people like you who can't take the slightest critic', saying I'm 'obsessed'.

 

This is a public topic on a public forum. I'm entirely within my right to respond to posts as I see fit. It is not your place to tell me what I should or shouldn't do. 

[WaggishOhio383]

For an online game, the fanbase very much affects your enjoyment of the game. If the people you're being forced to play online with are toxic and annoying (i.e. fortnite), then yes, the game isn't that fun to play. However, for offline games (i.e. the ongoing argument about Nintendo), the fanbase shouldn't impact your ability to enjoy the games at all. You can play an offline game and enjoy it without interacting with other fans of the franchise. This isn't to say that I'm overly fond of Nintendo. I personally think many of their games are way overhyped. But that doesn't mean I think their games are bad or can't be enjoyed.

[PlayStation 2]

Good fucking lord man, on that note, Team Fortress 2's modern fanbase is completely insufferable. It's just recycled jokes and endless bitching about game mechanics that have existed since the game's inception. It doesn't ruin my enjoyability of the game, but it annoys the hell out of me.

[WkdPaul]

Final Fantasy ... or at the very least, the MMO one (FFXIV). Drama currently going on about YTbers and lack of content to make interesting YT videos ... the subreddit the whole thing comes from is rather toxic and pointlessly opiniated. One of the more known YTber tried to branch off and made a few FF7R videos and got BLASTED.

 

Fanatics followers are the fucking worst.

[AdamantGlancer]

The Steven Universe fan base turned on one of their own because they didn't like that her fan art portrayed a character as skinnier than in the show and led her to attempt suicide. A child with cancer used their Make a Wish to watch some Steven Universe episodes early and had permission from the creators to discuss it online early and that led a SU you-tuber to bully the child over twitter.

[oldSock]

Unfortunately the reality is if you dig deep enough and do enough research you will find a toxic fan base for just about anything. It may not even exist in what we would call the normal and can exist in other more questionable publications and websites. There are so many examples to link them all will be an exercise in stupidity. 

 

The point to all this is, we live in a time where a person/individual will go out of their way to make a point regardless of what is right and what is wrong. They will just hammer on about something because it is "entertainment" and not because it hold value. 

 

I recall a video done by a Youtuber explaining that a technology is factually harmless and yet despite all that effort and research, individuals injected fiction and false claims into the technology that today we see individuals damaging infrastructure because of it.

 

Freedom of opinion is one thing, harming others by form of action of victimization is something completely different. Unfortunately the effects will be the following: 

 

• Moderation of publications
• Opinion pieces might be blocked outright.
• Removal of accounts and deletion of accounts  
• Comments sections may be removed
• Freedom of speech may be lost. 

These are the facts and realities that WILL happen and IS happening. We are losing our ability to debate and more to the point we are losing it due to petty bickering. That to me is unacceptable.