EVGA 1300W G+ VS EVGA 1600W G2

[Virtualnate]

Hi all, you may say either one is overkill, but with the things I have read online about power spikes coming from the RTX 3080/3090 well beyond the 1000w mark, I want to both have peace of mind as well as future proof my PSU for the next RTX 4000 series. Now, which series is better G2 or G+? 

[eeeee1]

what you will want is a single rail PSU for max raw power.

and also you really don't need 1600W a 1000 would be the most I would go for. 

I am unable to find the ranking for the G+ on the tier list but take a look at the A tier single rail. You might find a better value one:

 

[Virtualnate]

Thanks, I'll look into it. I mean, I just bought myself a Seasonic 850W Prime 80+ Titanium but sadly I might have to return it to go for something around the 1000w mark

[jaslion]

6 minutes ago, Virtualnate said:

Thanks, I'll look into it. I mean, I just bought myself a Seasonic 850W Prime 80+ Titanium but sadly I might have to return it to go for something around the 1000w mark

Why? That psu is gonna be just fine.

[seon123]

The G1+ is a low end PSU series. The lower wattage variants use a low end FSP ACRF platform, which should not be used for any mid-high end PC. Both lack multi rail OCP, and I would recommend neither, unless you want your PC to be as loud as possible. The Prime Titanium is also not a good option, imo (also lacks multi rail OCP, and uses a crappy fan), but it should not have any problems powering a single 3090 build.

[Virtualnate]

Maybe I should keep the prime titanium and see how it does once I get my gpu? 

[Virtualnate]

4 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Why? That psu is gonna be just fine.

I know based on NVIDIA that they recommend 750w and I have 100w headroom if you can call it that. Thing is I Google -searched "3090 power spikes" and I've read stories of people's PCs shutting down even on 750W PSUs. Maybe I'm looking too much into it. I don't have the 3080/3090 yet, but I wanted to find out before the return period on my Seasonic Titanium PSU from Microcenter is over...

 

If it makes any difference to how much wattage I need, here's what I have:

 

X570 Aorus Master

Ryzen 5900X

32GB RAM (2x16GB Trident Z Neo @ 3600MHz)

1TB Samsung 970 EVO NVMe (for apps and OS)

2x 2TB Micron 1100 for game library and VSTs

1TB Samsung 850 EVO 2.5 SATA SSD

8TB Intel P4510 NVMe u.2 drive

ALL USB ports used 

[jaslion]

Should be goo to go. The shutdowns happen on psu's that are good but aren't built with those spikes in mind. That seasonic seems alright in take regard. That and just get a 3080 the 10-15% extra performance for double the price that the 3090 does is not worth it

[Virtualnate]

3 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Should be goo to go. The shutdowns happen on psu's that are good but aren't built with those spikes in mind. That seasonic seems alright in take regard. That and just get a 3080 the 10-15% extra performance for double the price that the 3090 does is not worth it

So do you think the spike shutdowns are due to the PSU's rating, (meaning it is not titanium or platinum instead of gold) or the low wattage? 

[Ankerson]

26 minutes ago, seon123 said:

The G1+ is a low end PSU series. The lower wattage variants use a low end FSP ACRF platform, which should not be used for any mid-high end PC. Both lack multi rail OCP, and I would recommend neither, unless you want your PC to be as loud as possible. The Prime Titanium is also not a good option, imo (also lacks multi rail OCP, and uses a crappy fan), but it should not have any problems powering a single 3090 build.

 

The G+ and GQ actually do work with the 3080 and 3090, plenty of examples of those that are doing fine.

 

 

It's the GA that has the problems with shutdowns..... Saw one or two issues with the G5 also...

[akio123008]

51 minutes ago, Virtualnate said:

future proof my PSU for the next RTX 4000 series

You may want to consider installing a dedicated 3 phase system with 125A breakers in your house.

[seon123]

4 minutes ago, Virtualnate said:

So do you think the spike shutdowns are due to the PSU's rating, (meaning it is not titanium or platinum instead of gold) or the low wattage? 

The 80+ rating is just for the efficiency, it says nothing about how good the PSU is. E.g. the 80+ Bronze rated EVGA B3 is decent, while the 80+ Gold rated EVGA G1 is absolute garbage. And I would 100% choose e.g. an 80+ Platinum rated HXi over an 80+ Titanium rated Seasonic Prime for most PCs. A bad 750W PSU would likely cause issues, an appropriate 750W PSU is likely to not.

Seasonic is not particularly good at transients, and the Focus PSUs have struggled with that in the past.

9 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

The G+ and GQ actually do work with the 3080 and 3090, plenty of examples of those that are doing fine.

 

 

It's the GA that has the problems with shutdowns..... Saw one or two issues with the G5 also...

Anecdotes trump data? The G+, GQ, old GD, Pure Power 10/11 and Raider II, are all very similar, and are low end ACRF PSUs.

[Ankerson]

6 minutes ago, seon123 said:

Anecdotes trump data? The G+, GQ, old GD, Pure Power 10/11 and Raider II, are all very similar, and are low end ACRF PSUs.

 

Well when they are actually running 3080's and 3090's OCed and with the XOC 450W and 500W VBIOS on the FTW3 cards I would say yeah.

 

And there has been more than one of two of them..... A lot more.... And in different wattages from 750W and up in the G+ and GQ.

 

We have been keeping track of them over on the EVGA forum.

[jaslion]

14 minutes ago, Virtualnate said:

So do you think the spike shutdowns are due to the PSU's rating, (meaning it is not titanium or platinum instead of gold) or the low wattage? 

Rating has nothing to do with it. The shutdowns are basically due to how the psu is made. Some are made to handle spikes better than others and are just higher quality than others. Yours is an exceptional quality psu and will not have issues

[Ankerson]

1 hour ago, Virtualnate said:

Hi all, you may say either one is overkill, but with the things I have read online about power spikes coming from the RTX 3080/3090 well beyond the 1000w mark, I want to both have peace of mind as well as future proof my PSU for the next RTX 4000 series. Now, which series is better G2 or G+? 

 

The G2 is better, but has been discontinued.

 

The P2 and T2 give you more options now.

[Virtualnate]

3 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Rating has nothing to do with it. The shutdowns are basically due to how the psu is made. Some are made to handle spikes better than others and are just higher quality than others. Yours is an exceptional quality psu and will not have issues

THIS! This is exactly what I needed to know but didn't know how to word it (I'm such a noob lol) thanks so much!! 

[Virtualnate]

1 minute ago, Ankerson said:

 

The G2 is better, but has been discontinued.

 

The P2 and T2 give you more options now.

Thanks, I think based on all comments I'll keep my 850 titanium!

[Ankerson]

1 minute ago, Virtualnate said:

Thanks, I think based on all comments I'll keep my 850 titanium!

 

Depends on the actual model it is.

 

If it's the 850TD, that is pre Ultra Prime (TR) then it may have issues.

[seon123]

7 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Yours is an exceptional quality psu and will not have issues

Exceptional quality, other than Seasonic's cold solder issues, the crappy fan, and lack of multi rail OCP (unless you consider those things to somehow be good). I'm not saying it's bad, but I struggle to see why one would consider it to be exceptional quality.

[Ankerson]

3 minutes ago, seon123 said:

Exceptional quality, other than Seasonic's cold solder issues, the crappy fan, and lack of multi rail OCP (unless you consider those things to somehow be good). I'm not saying it's bad, but I struggle to see why one would consider it to be exceptional quality.

 

Likely has more to do with the tight load regulation and VERY low ripple.

 

Multi-Rail OCP isn't really a NEED....

 

Just another added safety feature. 

[Virtualnate]

I don't know much about PSUs but here's Oklahomawolf's scoring at Johnnyguru.com

 

PRIME Ultra 850 Titanium – Scoring
Performance	9.5
Functionality	9.5
Value	10
Build Quality	10
Total Score	9.7

 

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SUMMARY

I have now become so used to having these amazing performing Seasonics around that I have come to expect this performance from all of their products. But it cannot be stressed enough how sweet it is to feel that way about them. To date, every single PRIME unit has performed magnificently. Where does Seasonic even go from here? Better regulation? Don’t need it. Better ripple control? Don’t need it. Shallower housing? Eh, maybe. But that’s about all I can think of.

The GOOD:

• mythic voltage regulation
• better than excellent ripple handling
• super high 20% load level efficiency
• tons of accessories
• 12-year warranty

The BAD:

• nothing

The MEDIOCRE:

• double ribbons on the CPU cables

 

I'm not implying the unit is perfect, I just don't know much, so I simply take a leap of faith based on oklahomawolf's review, unless he's biased, which I don't think...

 

Edited November 29, 2020 by Virtualnate

[seon123]

2 minutes ago, Virtualnate said:

I don't know much about PSUs but here's Oklahomawolf's scoring at Johnnyguru.com

Just ignore the entirety of the last page, and instead look at how the PSU actually performs. The reviews there are also about as bare bones as you can get, check out the reviews by Aris (on TPU or TH) for actual in depth information, or even the Cybenetics reports.

[Virtualnate]

9 minutes ago, seon123 said:

Just ignore the entirety of the last page, and instead look at how the PSU actually performs. The reviews there are also about as bare bones as you can get, check out the reviews by Aris (on TPU or TH) for actual in depth information, or even the Cybenetics reports.

sorry, I copy-pasted the wrong one, my unit is not ULTRA, just PRIME. Anyways, here's Aris's review 

 

OUR VERDICT

The Seasonic Prime Titanium 850 is probably the best 850W PSU available on the market today. It features top-notch performance, dead silent operation, nice looks and a hefty 10-year warranty. The only problem is the stiff price, but in this case you get what you pay for.

FOR

• Full power at 47°C
• Efficient
• Ripple suppression
• Load regulation
• Hold-up time
• Silent
• Build quality
• Fully modular
• 6x PCIe & 2x EPS connectors
• Selectable semi-passive operation
• FDB fan
• Warranty
• Looks

AGAINST

• Price
• 3.3V rail performance in Advanced Transient Response tests inrush current with 230V input distance between peripheral connectors

What does the last "AGAINST" bulletpoint mean, and is it that bad? Will it affect my rig's performance in any way?

[seon123]

1 minute ago, Virtualnate said:

sorry, I copy-pasted the wrong one, my unit is not ULTRA, just PRIME. Anyways, here's Aris's review 

 

11 minutes ago, seon123 said:

Just ignore the entirety of the last page, and instead look at how the PSU actually performs

 

[Virtualnate]

1 minute ago, seon123 said:

 

 

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