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[Deli]

EK puts a peltier in a CPU water block?

[PAPO1990]

14 minutes ago, Deli said:

EK puts a peltier in a CPU water block?

yep, that's my bet too, I don't know of any other way to run sub ambient in that sort of form factor, plus that is a HUGE "CPU block" and the "other challenges" he mentions regarding how much power the system will need (before giving up on SLI) really point to peltier.

[Deli]

2 minutes ago, PAPO1990 said:

yep, that's my bet too, I don't know of any other way to run sub ambient in that sort of form factor, plus that is a HUGE "CPU block" and the "other challenges" he mentions regarding how much power the system will need (before giving up on SLI) really point to peltier.

Interesting development. If it turns out working well. It might migrate to GPU block as well. The CPU block seems to have a 4-pin connector. A 4-pin has a 192w power limit. Will 1200-1600w PSU becomes common standard when both CPU and GPU use peltier cooling?

[PAPO1990]

I doubt peltier will ever become the "norm" sub-ambient of any kind introduces a lot of things to worry about, mainly condensation. Plus it's mostly unnecessary, (much like the 3 large rads in my PC  ). Then consider all the extra power, it's just not a reasonable thing to do, sure plenty of enthusiasts will be chomping at the bit to get it if it works as well in practice as it does in theory, but realistically it will be a niche product, much like 1600W PSU's

 

As for migrating it to the GPU, having a full cover peltier block will likely be tricky, and given the thickness of that CPU "block" a 2 slot cooler, which defeats one of the things people might watercool a GPU for, and I doubt anyone at that level of enthusiast would want anything but full cover. Plus GPU's are usually quite easy to cool on water compared to a CPU, so probably wouldn't need it.

[Deli]

3 minutes ago, PAPO1990 said:

I doubt peltier will ever become the "norm" sub-ambient of any kind introduces a lot of things to worry about, mainly condensation. Plus it's mostly unnecessary, (much like the 3 large rads in my PC  ). Then consider all the extra power, it's just not a reasonable thing to do, sure plenty of enthusiasts will be chomping at the bit to get it if it works as well in practice as it does in theory, but realistically it will be a niche product, much like 1600W PSU's

 

As for migrating it to the GPU, having a full cover peltier block will likely be tricky, and given the thickness of that CPU "block" a 2 slot cooler, which defeats one of the things people might watercool a GPU for, and I doubt anyone at that level of enthusiast would want anything but full cover. Plus GPU's are usually quite easy to cool on water compared to a CPU, so probably wouldn't need it.

It seems there is a extra controller of some sort to regulate the peltier. So it will power up when needed. It won't drop the temperature below ambient in low CPU load and idle. But when the CPU is working hard. The peltier helps to reduce the temperature by ~20C? Just a guess.

 

Looking at the $220 EK Quantum Magnitude CPU waterblock. I guess although small but still sizeable market for very expensive and high end cooling solution. There are enough people willing to spend $1000+ on a watercooling loop.

[Velcade]

"How does Nick want to mount the radiator?  Just kidding, I don't care..."

 

 

Poor Nick. Front Mount FTW!

[Drama Lama]

1 hour ago, Deli said:

EK puts a peltier in a CPU water block?

That’s what I immediately thought 

 

39 minutes ago, PAPO1990 said:

doubt peltier will ever become the "norm" sub-ambient

i agree it produces even heat on its own

and you still have to cool the peltier

Edited November 3, 2020 by Drama Lama

[Deli]

3 minutes ago, Drama Lama said:

 

i agree it produces even heat on its own

If you have enough radiator space. I guess the extra 200-300w of heat doesn't matter too much. Two 360mm rad will be piece of cake for that amount of heat.

[Nystemy]

Maybe this is the first time someone in the PC hardware industry runs a TEC in a correct manner for once... _{(and actually get good efficiency out of them due to that.)}

Been saying it for years, but TECs aren't 12 volt devices, they are current controlled devices.
Feeding them straight up 12 volts usually just leads to them being better heaters than heat pumps... (But this depends on the exact TEC being used.)

For an example, the usual 12706 TECs from Ebay or the like consumes around 36 watts if feed 12 volts, but that will change depending on the thermal gradient over it. Also, give it a thermal gradient going in the pumping direction and the current will increase, increasing power dissipation, and eventually reaching the 6 amps rating of a 12706 TEC, where it will either fuse itself, and/or degrade over time... Not to mention that its pumping efficiency also goes down with an increased current...

TECs are though easy to overwhelm if faced with a large thermal gradient and a sizable amount of power.

But maybe the water block here uses a large surface area on its TEC, and maybe also a relatively thin one. As to give it better thermal conductivity when off.
But also to ensure that it can handle a large peak power going through it.

But the main take away is that it likely just doesn't stuff a ton of voltage over the TEC and have it current regulate itself. But the controller is likely regulating the amount of current allowed to flow through the device, so that it has a much smaller voltage drop across it, thereby a radically reduced power dissipation while still providing adequate heat pumping. (the amount of heat pumped across it is largely proportional to the current running through it, not directly the voltage. _{(The voltage still has an impact, but if you work in a field using TECs, you know what I am talking about.)})

Now I don't use TECs myself for PC cooling, but they are nice to thermally regulate laser diodes among other things. And just stuffing 12 volts into them is odd... Even when cooling a 25W laser diode one usually don't need to feed the TEC more than a handful of watts.

Now the current and voltage rating of a TEC is a bit interesting.
Lets take the common 12706 for an example, the 06 at the end specifies max current. And the 127 specifies the number of series connected Peltier elements in it. Ie, the 127 part is loosely indicating what voltage it can run at, though this is not 127 volts. But rather, if one sees a 25403, then one knows it will need about twice the voltage to get the same amount of current to run through it. If faced with the same thermal gradient that is.

 

But in the end, a thermo electric cooler doesn't like you feeding it straight up 12 volts, or any "fixed" voltage.
It is much better to run them on a constant current supply, but even this is not super ideal. (They more or less want "constant power" being feed into them if facing a constant heat load, making them a bit interesting to regulate...)

[Egg-Roll]

Curse you blurry image

[Louie Friesen]

A peltier would make sense

[MorphineSyringe]

Which monitor does Linus use in this video?

[WhitetailAni]

The fast one.

[Orange1]

What was the speed of the fastest gaming pc and how do they know its the fastest for now?

[PeachGr]

28 minutes ago, Orange1 said:

What was the speed of the fastest gaming pc and how do they know its the fastest for now?

Didn't you see the speed the side panel opening?

[WhitetailAni]

And the speed of the 10 Gbps USB port!

Screw you, 5 Gbps USB 3.1 Gen 1 port!

You aren't fast enough!

 

[dilpickle]

Using the 960 Pro was lazy. "Fastest in the world" means getting multiple of the fastest SSD on the market and putting them in RAID 0.

 

Also please stop using Doom to benchmark. The performance it gives you is not indicative of the majority of games.

[ilego37]

I did a fast record of what they tried to hide

 

[Luscious]

Peltier built into the CPU block. But rather than take the hardware temps sub-ambient, it uses a "controller" to keep it above ambient and avoid both the traditional condensation issues you would get in the past AND forgo having to use that fugly neoprene insulation.

 

How that controller works is the trick, depending on if it ramps up based on CPU temps, voltage or CPU load. I guess we will find out. I am assuming it has a profile to regulate current via thermal probe, either measuring the CPU package temp or the fluid temp inside the block.

 

Remember also that ambient < fluid < package < actual die temps. I'm guessing a thermal probe inside the controller is used to get that ambient number.

 

If it's fluid temp based then it would be stupid simple to adapt it to any existing custom water loop and even use it for GPU cooling, chipset/VRM and motherboards that have full monoblock cooling.

 

Good job EK!!! Now please make one for the W3175-X so that I can slap in on to my SR-3 Dark (I'm done with Asus)

[PAPO1990]

10 hours ago, Deli said:

It seems there is a extra controller of some sort to regulate the peltier. So it will power up when needed. It won't drop the temperature below ambient in low CPU load and idle. But when the CPU is working hard. The peltier helps to reduce the temperature by ~20C? Just a guess.

 

Looking at the $220 EK Quantum Magnitude CPU waterblock. I guess although small but still sizeable market for very expensive and high end cooling solution. There are enough people willing to spend $1000+ on a watercooling loop.

But when they show the temps at idle they are running close to 0C but if a final product WERE to be able to regulate and stay close to ambient then that would be nice. Also based on the load temps, I doubt it will outperform a big overkill loop at the moment, but there are certainly people willing to spend over $1000 on cooling  

[LordOfNothi]

Would a 3990X potentially have been faster through a computational buffer with its cores or does the high clock speed of the 10900k produce better numbers? Or could you use that product on a 3990X to drastically increase its clock speed and get the best of both worlds and ungodly performance?

[PAPO1990]

1 hour ago, LordOfNothi said:

Would a 3990X potentially have been faster through a computational buffer with its cores or does the high refresh rate of the 10900k produce better numbers? Or could you use that product on a 3990X to drastically increase its clock speed and get the best of both worlds and ungodly performance?

depends on the workload. For gaming the 3990X, and really all the threadrippers are really pretty bad. For video encode they are GREAT, or for running a bunch of VM's on a single CPU. Until Ryzen 5000 comes out... tomorrow  the 10900K is the fastest CPU for gaming. But even a 3950X will do substantially better than a 3990X for gaming.

[kokosnh]

maybe it's a peltier but above the microfins, just soaking heat from the coper sides of the coldplate, and the water block have second loop up, for cooling it.

So that the peltier don't interfere with the primary cooling of the CPU, only helps from above and sides.

 

EDIT: and it's gone   

[Nanook]

Maybe a miniaturized evaporator/condenser loop built into the CPU block?