5700 XT v 3070

[Tastyboi]

Hey all, 

I was planning on grabbing the Sapphire 5700XT Nitro+ SE graphics card in a few weeks for my first build (it was the only iffy part of the build and I was honestly just pressured into the rbg due to it being only $20 more.)

Now with the announcement today, it seems like the RTX 3070 is not only a better choice for only $50 more AND I get access to that juicy rtx noise cancelling software. 
I just need a more experienced brain to confirm this next statement:..

the 3070 not only blows the 5700XT out of the water in performance, but also beats one of the strongest GPUs on the market (2080Ti) at half the price point?

I'm guessing the two smartest options for me are to wait for OEM models to be revealed, released and reviewed or wait for big navi?(which is now under heat to match these price points it seems)

Thanks for your time! (:

[SupaKomputa]

Navi 2 will have a hard time countering what nvidia offered.

If it's true that a 3070 will match 2080ti, then it's a no brainer.

[Bombastinator]

6 minutes ago, Tastyboi said:

Hey all, 

I was planning on grabbing the Sapphire 5700XT Nitro+ SE graphics card in a few weeks for my first build (it was the only iffy part of the build and I was honestly just pressured into the rbg due to it being only $20 more.)

Now with the announcement today, it seems like the RTX 3070 is not only a better choice for only $50 more AND I get access to that juicy rtx noise cancelling software. 
I just need a more experienced brain to confirm this next statement:..

the 3070 not only blows the 5700XT out of the water in performance, but also beats one of the strongest GPUs on the market (2080Ti) at half the price point?

I'm guessing the two smartest options for me are to wait for OEM models to be revealed, released and reviewed or wait for big navi?(which is now under heat to match these price points it seems)

Thanks for your time!

Howdy and welcome

I think you mean $150-$1 more. 5700xt originally came out for $350, they rapidly went north of $400 and higher though.  

[Fasauceome]

Just now, Bombastinator said:

I think you mean $150-$1 more. 5700xt originally came out for $350, they rapidly went north of $400 and higher though.  

I mean, when comparing the nitro+ it is one of the more expensive models.

[Bombastinator]

Just now, Fasauceome said:

I mean, when comparing the nitro+ it is one of the more expensive models.

Ah.  There is that.  As a rule base model cards are a better value than the tricked out versions. 

[bellabichon]

1 minute ago, Tastyboi said:

the 3070 not only blows the 5700XT out of the water in performance, but also beats one of the strongest GPUs on the market (2080Ti) at half the price point?

Blows the 5700XT out of the water, yes. Beats the 2080Ti? Probably, but not by very much. Nvidia has a tendency to overstate their generational performance leaps a little bit. It's still shaping up to be an amazing card for the price, but don't expect it to completely wipe the floor with a 2080Ti. 

5 minutes ago, Tastyboi said:

I'm guessing the two smartest options for me are to wait for OEM models to be revealed, released and reviewed or wait for big navi?(which is now under heat to match these price points it seems)

Sounds good to me. Radeon is really gonna have to put up some serious numbers if they want to compete with that value. Having real competition in both the CPU and GPU markets certainly sounds like an exciting proposition, though.

[Tastyboi]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

I think you mean $150-$1 more. 5700xt originally came out for $350, they rapidly went north of $400 and higher though.  

Ahh, okay that makes sense. I only remember it as around $400-450 as i've been putting the build together. Still only would be $50 more from my perspective.

[Paulopjdc]

In my honest opinion, I think you can advance in October for the RTX 3070, I think the big navi would bring better cost benefit but with this price on the new RTX it will be difficult but I hope that a very big "Big Navi" will compete with 3070 at least but hopefully 3080

[Tastyboi]

Thanks for the input guys! Feelin' better about waiting for these reveals before deciding.

[Paulopjdc]

I should have already sold my 1080 ti, but even so, I don’t even feel bad even if the cheapest sale, I’m still going to spend less money, than if I sell it more expensive and buy at prices that people were to speculate !!!

 

[Zat0ichi]

i only bought 5700xt 6mths ago.

2nd hand market is going to be busy.

 

I'll wait 6mnths for the dust to settle.

[icase81]

Let's also wait and see what real world performance is. They didn't exactly say WHAT the 3070 was faster than the 2080ti IN exactly. Could just be faster in ray tracing, or something stupid like that that that will make little to no difference in 90% of applications.

[Tastyboi]

Just now, icase81 said:

Let's also wait and see what real world performance is. They didn't exactly say WHAT the 3070 was faster than the 2080ti IN exactly. Could just be faster in ray tracing, or something stupid like that that that will make little to no difference in 90% of applications.

Yes, I totally hear that. Graciously waitin' on that review CONTENT  from them tech tuber boys.

[Paulopjdc]

Exact, or it may even be the performance of DLSS 2.0 etc, I have yet to see the benchmarks for the real business

At least better prices we will have now how much more good will be

[dfsgsfa]

36 minutes ago, Tastyboi said:

the 3070 not only blows the 5700XT out of the water in performance, but also beats one of the strongest GPUs on the market (2080Ti) at half the price point?

there is no point referencing that $1200 2080ti, its over priced

there is always endless +$50 for a better stuff

[dfsgsfa]

direct comparisio will be 5700xt vs 3060

[Tastyboi]

Just now, dfsgsfa said:

there is no point referencing that $1200 2080ti, its over priced

there is always endless +$50 for a better stuff

yeah but for me, its a $500 price range that settled at $400-450 for the Nitro+ SE. If I get a huge performance leap for $50, I'm in.

[Bobbysixjp]

Yes, the 3070 will more than likely beat the 5700 XT and by a fair margin too. I bought the same model (Nitro plus 5700 XT) that you were considering in January of this year - it is a nice card but not worth buying over the new 30 series cards. 

[Bombastinator]

In other news a new generation of a type of hardware is more powerful than the old generation of that hardware.  Nvidia is launching their new hardware about a month ahead of AMD.  It’s an interesting choice.  They get a month to be the only new kid on the block, but AMD gets to take stock of their moves and possibly make adjustments.  Two ways to read this:

1) nvidia knows they have more game and AMD won’t be able to adjust for a superior position.

 

2) nvidia knows they have less game and is using the month to sell as many cards as they can before the big boys come out to play. 

[Tastyboi]

43 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

In other news a new generation of a type of hardware is more powerful than the old generation of that hardware.  Nvidia is launching their new hardware about a month ahead of AMD.  It’s an interesting choice.  They get a month to be the only new kid on the block, but AMD gets to take stock of their moves and possibly make adjustments.  Two ways to read this:

1) nvidia knows they have more game and AMD won’t be able to adjust for a superior position.

 

2) nvidia knows they have less game and is using the month to sell as many cards as they can before the big boys come out to play. 

Definitely an interesting take. Will likely hold out a few more weeks than expected as I'm trying to finish the build around February. Time to grab the popcorn.

[Bombastinator]

46 minutes ago, Tastyboi said:

Definitely an interesting take. Will likely hold out a few more weeks than expected as I'm trying to finish the build around February. Time to grab the popcorn.

There is a third that just occurred to me.  Nvidia thinks it has more game but isn’t sure so it’s trying to draw AMD out.  If this is the case we haven’t seen Nvidia’s hole card yet. 

[cawilkey]

biggest thing to wait for is non-rtx performance...  until we see that irl, I'd wait.

[Bombastinator]

4 minutes ago, Caroline said:

raytracing was a complete failure for consumers so they gotta come up with shit like this to justify the price... smh

Was being the operative word.  They’re claiming it’s better now.  How much better is unknown.  Whether it will be good for much this time around is also unknown.

[airborne spoon]

Don't buy anything until AMD releases their new line. Then you can make a informed choice with all cards on the table.

Right now you're only able to compare last gen AMD with new Nvidia it's not a fair comparison

[-rascal-]

35 minutes ago, airborne spoon said:

Don't buy anything until AMD releases their new line. Then you can make a informed choice with all cards on the table.

Right now you're only able to compare last gen AMD with new Nvidia it's not a fair comparison

 

The numbers nVidia gave are theoretical numbers...and TFLOPS numbers.

Actual game performance? I'd wait for independent reviews...before making the final call.

 

Agree, compare new gen AMD vs new gen nVidia.