R5 3600 stock high temps

[gebhaard]

Hello,

 

I have an R5 3600 with a Gigabyte B450 Aorus Elite with no modification (no OC, no PBO, etc.)
I installed an Arctic Freezer 34 cooler with 2 fans. (The case has decent airflow, 3-3 inlet and exhaust fans at maximum speed)

When benchmarking with Cinebench R20, temps almost instantly jumps to 95°C, and stays there, clock speeds are 3.8 GHz all cores, so I guess that's what you call thermal throttling. (Ryzen Master)

While gaming, it's about 60-80 °C, depends on the game and the load, obviously, but I still think thats a lot.

Vcore is 1.25V at load, 1.45V max at idle.

I thought I applied too much thermal paste, cleaned the cooler and the CPU, reseated with new paste, but nothing changed.

What am I doing wrong? I asked this question at a few website, but no one could really answer.

Thanks.

[Statik]

Do you have a stock cooler you can compare with? Your gaming temps seem acceptable but thermal throttling on R20 is weird.

[Haro]

Make sure the cooler is seated correctly 

Make sure there is a good thermal paste application 

Update the bios and use hwinfo64 or ryzen master to monitor temps 

[Guest]

Try turning down the top exhaust fans. They are pulling the air from the front of the cooler and likely not getting a good air flow as a result. 

 

Perhaps the exhaust fan on top to the right or closer to the front of the case, you can see above in front of the cooler, maybe flip that one over for intake to blow fresh air right to the front of the cpu cooler.

 

Good luck!

[Nena Trinity]

Perfectly normal its gonna idle at 60-65c when just put on and once thermal paste harden it goes down to 40-45c idle load may go up to 90-95c!

[Haro]

Just now, Nena Trinity said:

Perfectly normal

With an aftermarket cooler that's not normal

[dobuybuildgo]

Have you adjusted the fan values in the BIOS?  Try putting them to a 3500rpm or 100% value for all temps to see if they will ramp up and cool the chip down.  If they do, then adjust accordingly for each temp.

 

If they don't then make sure you put enough thermal paste, can't have too much but you can have too little.  Make sure all 4 posts are down as tight as they will go.  

 

Still no good?  Verify the bar that hold down the cooler isn't bent.  It needs to have good even pressure.  Try bending it back a bit and remount.

 

Make sure your fans are working together to blow air through the cooler, not accidentally both pushing or both pulling in the opposite direction.

 

After that try manually setting the voltage to 1.10-1.25v and see if you can get lower temps with stable testing and go from there.

 

Good luck!

[Nena Trinity]

10 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

With an aftermarket cooler that's not normal

Wait for paste to dry? :I

[Haro]

1 minute ago, Nena Trinity said:

Wait for paste to dry? :I

Could be many reasons 

Doubt this will make anything better

[5x5]

Something is wrong with the cooler mount. Did you use at least decent paste?

[gebhaard]

29 minutes ago, Statik said:

Do you have a stock cooler you can compare with? Your gaming temps seem acceptable but thermal throttling on R20 is weird.

Stock cooler was even worse, had 50-60°C idles, now i have 30-40°C. With gaming, I had 85-90°C, now i have 60-70ish, sometimes 80-85°C, obviously at high load.

21 minutes ago, dobuybuildgo said:

Have you adjusted the fan values in the BIOS?  Try putting them to a 3500rpm or 100% value for all temps to see if they will ramp up and cool the chip down.  If they do, then adjust accordingly for each temp.

 

If they don't then make sure you put enough thermal paste, can't have too much but you can have too little.  Make sure all 4 posts are down as tight as they will go.  

 

Still no good?  Verify the bar that hold down the cooler isn't bent.  It needs to have good even pressure.  Try bending it back a bit and remount.

 

Make sure your fans are working together to blow air through the cooler, not accidentally both pushing or both pulling in the opposite direction.

 

After that try manually setting the voltage to 1.10-1.25v and see if you can get lower temps with stable testing and go from there.

 

Good luck!

I adjusted them in the Gigabyte Smart Fan menu, but with max load, it's doing nothing, still goes to 95°C instantly. ~2000 rpm is about max.

[gebhaard]

2 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Something is wrong with the cooler mount. Did you use at least decent paste?

Yeah, the included Arctic MX5 paste.

[5x5]

3 minutes ago, gebhaard said:

Stock cooler was even worse, had 50-60°C idles, now i have 30-40°C. With gaming, I had 85-90°C, now i have 60-70ish, sometimes 80-85°C, obviously at high load.

I adjusted them in the Gigabyte Smart Fan menu, but with max load, it's doing nothing, still goes to 95°C instantly. ~2000 rpm is about max.

Start undervolting. Smells like the typical issue on Gigabyte boards where everything is overvolted into insanity.

[Haro]

3 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Start undervolting. Smells like the typical issue on Gigabyte boards where everything is overvolted into insanity.

^ this

Gigabyte is notorious for high voltage out of the box

Set a vcore like 1.325 ish 

Edited June 17, 2020 by TofuHaroto

[gebhaard]

3 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Start undervolting. Smells like the typical issue on Gigabyte boards where everything is overvolted into insanity.

Interesting. I didn't overvolt anything. Or you mean gigabyte is overvolting everything on default settings?

Just now, TofuHaroto said:

^ this

Gigabyte is notorious for high voltage out of the box

Set a vcore like 1.325 ish 

Oh, so yes.

 

BTW, can anyone help me what and how to undervolt in BIOS? I don't consider myself a noob, I just don't wanna fk up anything.

[5x5]

49 minutes ago, gebhaard said:

Interesting. I didn't overvolt anything. Or you mean gigabyte is overvolting everything on default settings?

Oh, so yes.

 

BTW, can anyone help me what and how to undervolt in BIOS? I don't consider myself a noob, I just don't wanna fk up anything.

Use Ryzen Master initially and apply negative offsets

[gebhaard]

2 hours ago, 5x5 said:

Use Ryzen Master initially and apply negative offsets

I did set Peak Core Voltage to 1.325, and now it went up to 105°C, which is not so good. Did I do it wrong? I guess.

I can't find vcore in Ryzen Master.

 

I edited "Dynamic Vcore (dvid)" in BIOS, first I tried -0.050V, now I am at -0.150V, maximum temps are 86°C. Getting better. Ryzen master now shows 1.32V at full load, which I dont really understand, because before the offset, it showed 1.25 at full load...

Am I doing it right? How low should I go? Is this bad for the CPU?

Btw, still not turboing to 4.2 GHz at load...

 

I read somewhere on reddit to lower Peak Core Voltage in RM to 1.025, with that, maximum temps were ~68°C. Bit lower Cinebench R20 scores, 3398 vs 3285. Should I use it like that?

[5x5]

6 hours ago, gebhaard said:

I did set Peak Core Voltage to 1.325, and now it went up to 105°C, which is not so good. Did I do it wrong? I guess.

I can't find vcore in Ryzen Master.

 

I edited "Dynamic Vcore (dvid)" in BIOS, first I tried -0.050V, now I am at -0.150V, maximum temps are 86°C. Getting better. Ryzen master now shows 1.32V at full load, which I dont really understand, because before the offset, it showed 1.25 at full load...

Am I doing it right? How low should I go? Is this bad for the CPU?

Btw, still not turboing to 4.2 GHz at load...

 

I read somewhere on reddit to lower Peak Core Voltage in RM to 1.025, with that, maximum temps were ~68°C. Bit lower Cinebench R20 scores, 3398 vs 3285. Should I use it like that?

That sounds good, yes.

 

Also, 4.2 is single core turbo. You won't see that on all cores at the same time. Not how it works

[gebhaard]

3 hours ago, 5x5 said:

That sounds good, yes.

 

Also, 4.2 is single core turbo. You won't see that on all cores at the same time. Not how it works

Oh I see.

I use 1.025V then, and hope it doesn't kill anything.

Thanks.

 

I have one question left.

If I set RM to Manual, set the voltage, the max clock speed is 3.6 GHz, and won't turbo to 4.2 GHz even on single core. Can I somehow set that?

[5x5]

10 minutes ago, gebhaard said:

Oh I see.

I use 1.025V then, and hope it doesn't kill anything.

Thanks.

 

I have one question left.

If I set RM to Manual, set the voltage, the max clock speed is 3.6 GHz, and won't turbo to 4.2 GHz even on single core. Can I somehow set that?

1.025 is perfectly safe. Low voltage can't kill anything. At worst you get a freeze and you have to force reboot to add some more voltage.

As for RM - not sure why turbo gets disabled. You may want a separate thread for that.

[rtyall]

52 minutes ago, gebhaard said:

Oh I see.

I use 1.025V then, and hope it doesn't kill anything.

Thanks.

 

I have one question left.

If I set RM to Manual, set the voltage, the max clock speed is 3.6 GHz, and won't turbo to 4.2 GHz even on single core. Can I somehow set that?

Not sure on your Gigabyte board, on my MSI setting a static voltage stops it from boosting or using PBO. I've ended up leaving it on Auto voltage with a -0.75 voltage offset, it brought the temps down a couple of degrees with no change in cinebench scores.

[gebhaard]

7 minutes ago, rtyall said:

Not sure on your Gigabyte board, on my MSI setting a static voltage stops it from boosting or using PBO. I've ended up leaving it on Auto voltage with a -0.75 voltage offset, it brought the temps down a couple of degrees with no change in cinebench scores.

The problem is, that the BIOS is a bit confusing, i don't have an offset menu, only a dynamic vcore setting, where i can set +-0.5V.

[rtyall]

15 minutes ago, gebhaard said:

The problem is, that the BIOS is a bit confusing, i don't have an offset menu, only a dynamic vcore setting, where i can set +-0.5V.

I guess the Dynamic Vcore DVID is their marketing speak for offset. But the thing I was wondering is if there's anywhere else that affects the VCore voltage, if you can change it to auto, manual, OC, etc, as setting it on the MSI to manual prevents boost from working.

It might be you don't have that option, it was just an idea.