RX 570 4GB vs 8GB

[DanDaft]

Is the RX 570 8GB really worth the extra money over the RX 570 4GB model? I'm seeing some comments regarding the fact that the RX 570 doesn't really utilize the full 8GB of VRAM in most games. But i'm just looking for something thats the better value, and want to know whether the 8gb versions are worth the money or not. 

[mbntr]

I think it is, nowadays 4 gb isn't really enough for modern games, 6 gb is the bare minimum with 8gb being a good amount

[SavageNeo]

3 minutes ago, DanDaft said:

Is the RX 570 8GB really worth the extra money over the RX 570 4GB model? I'm seeing some comments regarding the fact that the RX 570 doesn't really utilize the full 8GB of VRAM in most games. But i'm just looking for something thats the better value, and want to know whether the 8gb versions are worth the money or not. 

yes it os worth the price. but i would really get rx 580 8gb if i was you. it is not that much more expensive but it is much better

[Fasauceome]

The RX 570 is for 1080p medium/high, which is definitely well served by 4GB of Vram. All these people claiming things like "4GB of Vram isn't enough" and "quad cores are obsolete" and "1TB SSDs are the only SSDs worth it" aren't familiar with using low end PCs.

[jaslion]

1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

The RX 570 is for 1080p medium/high, which is definitely well served by 4GB of Vram. All these people claiming things like "4GB of Vram isn't enough" and "quad cores are obsolete" and "1TB SSDs are the only SSDs worth it" aren't familiar with using low end PCs.

The only thing I would add is. Buying a quad core now is not a smart idea. However quad cores with hyper threading still have a bit to go before they become obsolete which will probably be around the time the new consoles have been out for a year.

[Fasauceome]

5 minutes ago, jaslion said:

The only thing I would add is. Buying a quad core now is not a smart idea. However quad cores with hyper threading still have a bit to go before they become obsolete which will probably be around the time the new consoles have been out for a year.

Not that I think quad cores are the best value, but something like the Ryzen 3 1200 or 2200G is a competent performer, and at around $50 used, far from a bad purchase 

[jaslion]

2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Not that I think quad cores are the best value, but something like the Ryzen 3 1200 or 2200G is a competent performer, and at around $50 used, far from a bad purchase 

Meant it more like if the option is there don't get one. More towards the people getting i3's compared to a similar priced higher core count ryzen option.

[DanDaft]

17 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

The RX 570 is for 1080p medium/high, which is definitely well served by 4GB of Vram. All these people claiming things like "4GB of Vram isn't enough" and "quad cores are obsolete" and "1TB SSDs are the only SSDs worth it" aren't familiar with using low end PCs.

Also seeing alot of used RX 580 8gbs for cheap, but most likely they are ex-mining. Was wondering whats the problem with ex-mining gpus? I am aware there is a problem with them but not exactly sure what is. Thanks for the advice tho.

[Fasauceome]

39 minutes ago, DanDaft said:

Also seeing alot of used RX 580 8gbs for cheap, but most likely they are ex-mining. Was wondering whats the problem with ex-mining gpus? I am aware there is a problem with them but not exactly sure what is. Thanks for the advice tho.

You'd be facing a similar amount of ex mining cards with either the 570 or the 580. If you get the card and it's defective, you can just send it back. Usually the only issue is the fan longevity because mining cards are often run below their max power limits for more efficiency.

[Danek]

Most older and many new games use less than 4000 mb of ram, even on highest settings. And then it doesn't matter. And even when a game uses more than 4000mb VRAM, the difference in performance is almost always between 0 and 10% compared to the 8GB version, as you can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXoaspqpGYE&t=189s So even if they cost the same amount, it is not always better to choose the 8GB. I would rather choose the card from the most reliable brand and with the lowest energy consumption. For example the Sapphire ITX version.

[DanDaft]

3 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

You'd be facing a similar amount of ex mining cards with either the 570 or the 580. If you get the card and it's defective, you can just send it back. Usually the only issue is the fan longevity because mining cards are often run below their max power limits for more efficiency.

 

1 hour ago, Danek said:

Most older and many new games use less than 4000 mb of ram, even on highest settings. And then it doesn't matter. And even when a game uses more than 4000mb VRAM, the difference in performance is almost always between 0 and 10% compared to the 8GB version, as you can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXoaspqpGYE&t=189s So even if they cost the same amount, it is not always better to choose the 8GB. I would rather choose the card from the most reliable brand and with the lowest energy consumption. For example the Sapphire ITX version.

Ok thanks, found an RX 580 4GB for the same I could find an RX 570 4GB for, any good idea on cpu? Ryzen 1600AF is not an option. Either looking at 2600 but thats a bit too expensive for my budget considering the markup on it. Any other options besides these two that would work well with the RX 580?

[Fasauceome]

24 minutes ago, DanDaft said:

 

Ok thanks, found an RX 580 4GB for the same I could find an RX 570 4GB for, any good idea on cpu? Ryzen 1600AF is not an option. Either looking at 2600 but thats a bit too expensive for my budget considering the markup on it. Any other options besides these two that would work well with the RX 580?

Used market an option? Any of the first gen ryzen 5 options is a good choice. They're usually sub $100.

[DanDaft]

13 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

Used market an option? Any of the first gen ryzen 5 options is a good choice. They're usually sub $100.

I'm open to used but after checking used prices on few large online shopping sites and all used 1600s were the same price as a new 2600. For some reason new 1600s are really marked up, I assume due to the confusion in the market of the 1600AF and the non AF model. Any other alternatives to the 1600/2600? I'm not sure on what else to look for. Just going to be using it for casual gaming and some photo/video work.

 

Update: After looking for first gen Ryzen chips, 1400, 1500X, 1600, 1600X, 1600AF (rare where I live), all prices were severely marked up ranging above 140US and much higher, used or new. Or they were cheap without box. I can find a 2600 new for under that. It seems that the 2600 is my best option right now unless I can find a deal on something else. 

[Danek]

16 hours ago, DanDaft said:

Ok thanks, found an RX 580 4GB for the same I could find an RX 570 4GB for, any good idea on cpu? Ryzen 1600AF is not an option. Either looking at 2600 but thats a bit too expensive for my budget considering the markup on it. Any other options besides these two that would work well with the RX 580?

I would like to say something additional to my previous comment. As I said earlier, there is generally seen (old and new games) only small difference between the rx 570 4gb versus the 8gb. When only the vram differs in this specific way, you will generally notice little difference in performance, and usually no difference at all in games that are 2 or 3 years old. But this usually only applies to the rx 570, because here they have only changed the vram and no other specs.

 

With different models you see that often other specs are changed. For example with the rx 580 you see that the memory clock runs at 8000 MHz for the 8GB model, but usually runs standard at 7000MHz for the 4GB model. This is still only a small difference, but it does cause you to lose an extra 2% in performance again.

 

For example, with the GTX 1060 6GB you can see that it has 1,280 cores while the 3GB version is adapted so that it only has 1,152 cores. So in conclusion you can say that both AMD and Nvidia know very well that just changing the amount of vram doesn't really have a noticeable impact on performance. And that's why they often adjust one other spec as well, so you get a more noticeable difference.

 

I also wonder why you don't want a 1600AF, but a 2600. The 1600AF chip itself is pretty much on par with 2600 and it does show up as Pinnacle aka Zen + aka the 2600s. It is also extremely cheap:https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-1600/p/274-003V-00043 So I would recommend it, but if you can find a 2600 new and for the same price, then of course it is a different situation.

[DanDaft]

2 hours ago, Danek said:

I would like to say something additional to my previous comment. As I said earlier, there is generally seen (old and new games) only small difference between the rx 570 4gb versus the 8gb. When only the vram differs in this specific way, you will generally notice little difference in performance, and usually no difference at all in games that are 2 or 3 years old. But this usually only applies to the rx 570, because here they have only changed the vram and no other specs.

 

With different models you see that often other specs are changed. For example with the rx 580 you see that the memory clock runs at 8000 MHz for the 8GB model, but usually runs standard at 7000MHz for the 4GB model. This is still only a small difference, but it does cause you to lose an extra 2% in performance again.

 

For example, with the GTX 1060 6GB you can see that it has 1,280 cores while the 3GB version is adapted so that it only has 1,152 cores. So in conclusion you can say that both AMD and Nvidia know very well that just changing the amount of vram doesn't really have a noticeable impact on performance. And that's why they often adjust one other spec as well, so you get a more noticeable difference.

 

I also wonder why you don't want a 1600AF, but a 2600. The 1600AF chip itself is pretty much on par with 2600 and it does show up as Pinnacle aka Zen + aka the 2600s. It is also extremely cheap:https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-1600/p/274-003V-00043 So I would recommend it, but if you can find a 2600 new and for the same price, then of course it is a different situation.

Ah, okay. Thanks for the advice regarding the RX cards. I found an RX 580 8gb for a very similar price that I could for a 4gb card, used but seems legit, so hopefully I can acquire that card.

 

As for why I don't want the 1600AF, its purely because where I live, first gen ryzen is similarly priced to second gen, to the point where I can get a 2600, still with markup because where I live, but much cheaper than the regular 1600. I could only find the 1600AF on one website, but heavily marked up still, so at this point the 2600 seems to be my best choice. I tried finding used first gen ryzen chips, but even then they would just by shy of the price of a 2600. So rather than getting a used first gen, new second gen ryzen seems to be the best option I have without spending too much.