Ryzen 3600?

[LilPach]

So I currently have a 1660ti and was wondering is paring it with a 3600 a good match. Bottleneck calculator says this is way too powerful for it but I know those aren’t always accurate. I currently run a Ryzen 1600@3.8ghz.

[Slottr]

What do you use your pc for? Do you need a cpu upgrade?

[minibois]

1 minute ago, LilPach said:

So I currently have a 1660ti and was wondering is paring it with a 3600 a good match. Bottleneck calculator says this is way too powerful for it but I know those aren’t always accurate. I currently run a Ryzen 1600@3.8ghz.

A Ryzen 5 3600 is a good option and quite a bit stronger than a Ryzen 5 1600.

Don't bother looking at those 'bottleneck calculators', they are not going to do you any good, if it doesn't specify in what way you will see an effect of the bottlenecking.

 

That being said, you could always upgrade the CPU later, as a 1600 is still not a bad option. But if you want more CPU power, a 3600 is very good. Don't forget to update your BIOS though.

[LilPach]

3 minutes ago, Slottr said:

What do you use your pc for? Do you need a cpu upgrade?

I game (mostly fortnite) and stream (I should mention I use the new nvenc since I know streaming is a cpu intensive task)

[Viper9]

It's a good option for right now, but keep in mind that the next gen consoles will have 8 cores Ryzen CPUs, so maybe 8 cores will be the sweet spot in the next years. 

[zooper72]

Ryzen 5 3600X is better only for 1080p gaming.

For 1440p Ryzen 7 2700X is really better. And not only for 1440p gaming. And for workstation in which 3600X is very weak!

[jaslion]

Is your pc underperforming in any way? A 1600 is plenty for fortnite or any game on the market unless you are expecting 100+fps

[boggy77]

1 minute ago, zooper72 said:

Ryzen 5 3600X is better only for 1080p gaming.

For 1440p Ryzen 7 2700X is really better. And not only for 1440p gaming. And for workstation in which 3600X is very weak!

there is almost no application where 2700x beats 3600. do you have any source backing up your claim?

[LilPach]

1 minute ago, jaslion said:

Is your pc underperforming in any way? A 1600 is plenty for fortnite or any game on the market unless you are expecting 100+fps

Well I play competitively so I aim to have 144 FPS at all times and  end games tend to drop to 90fps

[Mateyyy]

3 minutes ago, zooper72 said:

Ryzen 5 3600X is better only for 1080p gaming.

For 1440p Ryzen 7 2700X is really better. And not only for 1440p gaming. And for workstation in which 3600X is very weak!

No, the 2700X is only about ~10% better than a 3600 in heavily multi-threaded tasks because of its much weaker single-core performance. More often than not, the 3600 is on par or better compared to the 2700X, including gaming at any resolution, so please don't mislead people.

[boggy77]

9 minutes ago, LilPach said:

Well I play competitively so I aim to have 144 FPS at all times and  end games tend to drop to 90fps

do you have two sticks of ram running in dual channel at xmp speeds?

[zooper72]

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/Rating/3958 Gaming 81%   Aircraft carrier Desktop 81%   Aircraft carrier Workstation 83%   Aircraft carrier

[zooper72]

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/AMD-Ryzen-5-3600X/Rating/4041

 

Gaming 91%   Nuclear submarine

Desktop 92%   Nuclear submarine

Workstation 78%   Battleship

[LilPach]

2 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

do you have two sticks of ram running in dual channel at xmp speeds?

I have 2 ddr4 sticks running in dual channel however when I first built my pc 2 years ago I didn’t realize the speed of the sticks so they are still at 2133mhz should I instead just upgrade ram since I know ram speed matters in Ryzen especially early generations?

[zooper72]

And this is for 1080p gaming

If we go in 1440p the Graphic card works better with 8 core Ryzen 7 2700X

In this lever GPU have the first reason and works better with 7 2700X

GPU sapphire nitro+ 5700 RX XT

ryzen 7 2700X
https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Ryzen_7_2700X/Radeon_RX_5700_XT/0Qe14j28/16/

ryzen 5 3600X
https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Ryzen_5_3600X/Radeon_RX_5700_XT/0Um14j28/16/

 

Look yourself

 

 

[CPT_BEEMO]

1 minute ago, zooper72 said:

And this is for 1080p gaming

If we go in 1440p the Graphic card works better with 8 core Ryzen 7 2700X

In this lever GPU have the first reason and works better with 7 2700X

GPU sapphire nitro+ 5700 RX XT

ryzen 7 2700X
https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Ryzen_7_2700X/Radeon_RX_5700_XT/0Qe14j28/16/

ryzen 5 3600X
https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Ryzen_5_3600X/Radeon_RX_5700_XT/0Um14j28/16/

 

Look yourself

 

 

Dude.

 

Userbenchmark is a great tool to analyze basic comparisons between components, but it is in NO WAY the Holy Bible. 3600X vs 2700X in most single threaded tasks, the 3600X will win. Every. Single. Time. The ONLY thing going for the 2700X is it has 2 more cores. It's an older architecture, Does not support PCI-e Gen 4, and does not give any improvement in gaming WHATSOEVER compared to a 3600X.

 

I appreciate that you're defending your findings, but simply put, it does not do any justice to the topic. As Bane would say, "You fight like a younger man. Admirable...... but mistaken."

[boggy77]

5 minutes ago, zooper72 said:

And this is for 1080p gaming

If we go in 1440p the Graphic card works better with 8 core Ryzen 7 2700X

In this lever GPU have the first reason and works better with 7 2700X

GPU sapphire nitro+ 5700 RX XT

ryzen 7 2700X
https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Ryzen_7_2700X/Radeon_RX_5700_XT/0Qe14j28/16/

ryzen 5 3600X
https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Ryzen_5_3600X/Radeon_RX_5700_XT/0Um14j28/16/

 

Look yourself

 

 

sorry, but userbenchmark and bottleneck calculators aren't reliable sources of information.

[boggy77]

8 minutes ago, LilPach said:

I have 2 ddr4 sticks running in dual channel however when I first built my pc 2 years ago I didn’t realize the speed of the sticks so they are still at 2133mhz should I instead just upgrade ram since I know ram speed matters in Ryzen especially early generations?

if you go into bios and try to enable xmp, does it boost their frequency?

upgrading the ram from 2133 to 2933 (you probably won't be able to run faster ram on 1st gen ryzen) would probably give you a 10-15% boost in performance, lifting you from 90 to 100 fps. that's probably not enough for you.

 

[zooper72]

29 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

No, the 2700X is only about ~10% better than a 3600 in heavily multi-threaded tasks because of its much weaker single-core performance. More often than not, the 3600 is on par or better compared to the 2700X, including gaming at any resolution, so please don't mislead people.

22 months ryzen 7 2700x have the same price with 8 months 5 3600X...

The only negative is Pcle 4......

But FOR NOW this is only for 4 Gbs GPU s especially for Radeon RX 5500 XT 4GB

 

for better from 7 2700X CPU only if you go 7 3700X and not in 6 cores 5 3600x ...5 3600x only for 1080p gaming...............

 

[LilPach]

4 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

if you go into bios and try to enable xmp, does it boost their frequency?

upgrading the ram from 2133 to 2933 (you probably won't be able to run faster ram on 1st gen ryzen) would probably give you a 10-15% boost in performance, lifting you from 90 to 100 fps. that's probably not enough for you.

 

Well these sticks are rated at 2133 so xmp just leaves it there. I would either have to manually oc them or upgrade and tbh I’ve tried and don’t want to enter the ram overclocking zone again.

[CPT_BEEMO]

Just now, zooper72 said:

22 months ryzen 7 2700x have the same price with 8 months 5 3600X...

The only negative is Pcle 4......

But FOR NOW this is only for 4 Gbs GPU s especially for Radeon RX 5500 XT 4GB

 

for better from 7 2700X CPU only if you go 7 3700X nad not in 6 cores 5 3600x 5 3600x only for 1080p gaming...............

 

 

[Mateyyy]

2 minutes ago, zooper72 said:

22 months ryzen 7 2700x have the same price with 8 months 5 3600X...

The only negative is Pcle 4......

But FOR NOW this is only for 4 Gbs GPU s especially for Radeon RX 5500 XT 4GB

 

for better from 7 2700X CPU only if you go 7 3700X nad not in 6 cores 5 3600x 5 3600x only for 1080p gaming...............

Look, if you're not just trolling, then please do some more research, and don't trust Usermememark or bottleneck calculators on the Internet, they offer mere approximations, if even that. This contributes nothing to OP's question and initial post and just confuses everyone.

[boggy77]

2 minutes ago, LilPach said:

Well these sticks are rated at 2133 so xmp just leaves it there. I would either have to manually oc them or upgrade and tbh I’ve tried and don’t want to enter the ram overclocking zone again.

you might have to get both a new cpu and new ram if you want a significant jump in fps (from 90 to 144). what motherboard do you have?

if you find that too expensive, lowering the details a bit might help as well. going from high to medium should get you in the 120fps range

[zooper72]

5 minutes ago, CPT_BEEMO said:

 

 

[CPT_BEEMO]

7 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

you might have to get both a new cpu and new ram if you want a significant jump in fps (from 90 to 144). what motherboard do you have?

if you find that too expensive, lowering the details a bit might help as well. going from high to medium should get you in the 120fps range

You have some wonderful advice, my dude. 

 

57 minutes ago, LilPach said:

So I currently have a 1660ti and was wondering is paring it with a 3600 a good match. Bottleneck calculator says this is way too powerful for it but I know those aren’t always accurate. I currently run a Ryzen 1600@3.8ghz.

A 1600 is still a good processor. An upgrade to a 3600 or 3600X should give you more headroom and prevent fps drops when streaming while you game. This will also depend on the game you play and whether that game is more CPU bound versus GPU bound, as well as your method of encoding. As Boggy mentioned, increasing ram frequency is a good way to improve performance on ryzen builds. I think 3600CL16 is the sweet spot on the new chips (Please correct me if I am wrong.) However finding yourself a kit of 3000 or 3200 would also be a fantastic route, as those frequencies dont come at a large expense. Lowering details while you stream will also help you stay within the parameters you are looking to have, to reiterate what Boggy mentioned.

 

10 minutes ago, zooper72 said:

 

As for you, sir, OP's question has nothing to do with a 5500XT, nor does it have anything to do with a 2700X. In ANY case for OP, the 2700X is less of a worth-while upgrade versus Ryzen 3000. Please just stop trying to defend a statement that you are initially incorrect about, and accept the feedback you are being given. No offense, but you are not helping.