Bottleneck ?

[modalz]

Hello guys,

 

As I've been watching your videos on Youtube and in my opinion they are the most relevant that I can found online, LOVE them !

 

I came here in order to speak about bottleneck

 

I would like a bit of your advices everybody, would appreciate a lot !

 

Well, here is my situation :

 

I had this rig 1 month ago

_i5-6600K

_8Go 2133mhz *2

_1060 6Gb

_PSU 550W

 

I decided to upgrade my GPu and recently bought an 2070 Super which is really powerful !!! 

 

I gained a lot of FPS in different games that I play (BF5 / PUBG / CSGO / DAYZ / APEX)

 

BUT there is something that I am worried about : I do have better performance but I have the feeling I can get more ! 

1st reason is because my CPU usage in games such as APEX / BF5 is around 95%-100% and GPU usage is around 50%-60%

2nd reason is because I have friends who I play with, who have less performing GPU (1070 / 1080) and have the same FPS amount or even slighly higher sometimes ! The difference between my friend's rig is the CPU which is way better (One has 7700K and the other one has 8600K)

 

Those things dragged me thinking that my CPU is bottlenecking my GPU and that I could get higher performance if i am doing a CPU upgrade.

 

The only thing is that I would be sure that it worth price because I need to buy motherboard (my current one supports 6th and 7th Gen) + CPU.

 

Another thing that I would like to clarify is my PSU power... Do you think this can be the cause of bottleneck as well? and do you also think it is enough for 2070 SUPER ? I've read on the web that Nvidia recommends 650W+ but ppl run it with lower PSU

 

Well, If someone has an idea, opinions and some advices I would really love to read it

 

Thanks so much

 

Matt

 

[Viper9]

8GB of RAM is not enough for modern games, you should upgrade to 16GB. Pretty sure you're running out of memory right now in some games. 

[boggy77]

6 minutes ago, modalz said:

I could get higher performance if i am doing a CPU upgrade.

yes

6 minutes ago, modalz said:

Another thing that I would like to clarify is my PSU power... Do you think this can be the cause of bottleneck as well?

no

6 minutes ago, modalz said:

and do you also think it is enough for 2070 SUPER ? I've read on the web that Nvidia recommends 650W+ but ppl run it with lower PSU

550w are enough, but the quality of the PSU is more important. what model is it?

[steelo]

4 minutes ago, Viper9 said:

8GB of RAM is not enough for modern games, you should upgrade to 16GB. Pretty sure you're running out of memory right now in some games. 

I keep hearing that, but I'm currently using a system with only 8 GB of RAM. Out of the collection of 20+ games I own, I have yet to have a single problem with running out of memory.

 

I play a lot of VR titles, so perhaps they are less memory intensive but I also stream quite often. I also don't have 15 background processes running while I'm gaming.

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, Viper9 said:

8GB of RAM is not enough for modern games, you should upgrade to 16GB. Pretty sure you're running out of memory right now in some games. 

I believe it is 16

8 minutes ago, modalz said:

8Go 2133mhz *2

 

 

 

@modalz do you have a Z170 or Z270 motherboard? tie to overclock.

[boggy77]

1 minute ago, steelo said:

I keep hearing that, but I'm currently using a system with only 8 GB of RAM. Out of the collection of 20+ games I own, I have yet to have a single problem with running out of memory.

I've run out of memory on cities skylines

[Viper9]

Just now, Fasauceome said:

I believe it is 16

Oh! In that case it might be a CPU bottleneck 4C/4T for newer games might not be enough, since 6C/6T or 12T is the sweet spot. 

[steelo]

2 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

I've run out of memory on cities skylines

That's interesting, I played that for awhile through gamepass and never had an issue. I wasn't very far into the game though before I got bored of it...

 

I can see 8 GB not being enough if you're using a Ryzen APU and dedicating 2 GB to vram.

[merco]

The 6600k is a 4 core 4 thread model which is starting to matter nowadays in some games. The sweetspot is the ryzen 5 3600 now, like it used to be "I5 is enough for gaming" a few years ago. 

If your PSU can't provide enough power it would not start at all or crash when drawing too much power.

[boggy77]

1 minute ago, steelo said:

That's interesting, I played that for awhile through gamepass and never had an issue. I wasn't very far into the game though before I got bored of it...

 

I can see 8 GB not being enough if you're using a Ryzen APU and dedicating 2 GB to vram.

i had lots of mods installed and a huge city (200k pop). now with 16gb ram it uses about 10gb.

[steelo]

3 minutes ago, merco said:

The 6600k is a 4 core 4 thread model which is starting to matter nowadays in some games. The sweetspot is the ryzen 5 3600 now, like it used to be "I5 is enough for gaming" a few years ago. 

If your PSU can't provide enough power it would not start at all or crash when drawing too much power.

Agreed, I wouldn't go under 6 cores these days even if it's an older CPU like a R5 1600 or 2600

[Vishera]

It does sound like a bottleneck,

and about RAM you can get by with 8GB in most games,but 16GB is preferable since a sizable amount of games consume more than 8GB.

[modalz]

Thanks for your quick replies ! 

 

I have 2 X 8Gb DDR4 (16GB) it is not obivous to read yeah lol

 

Do you think I can get a big difference whether i'm purchasing an 8 cores CPU like Ryzen 3800X or I7 9700k instead of buying a Ryzen 5 3600X / i5 9600K ?

 

My PSU is Corsair VS550 80+ (not a super good quality tho...)

[Viper9]

2 hours ago, modalz said:

Thanks for your quick replies ! 

 

I have 2 X 8Gb DDR4 (16GB) it is not obivous to read yeah lol

 

Do you think I can get a big difference whether i'm purchasing an 8 cores CPU like Ryzen 3800X or I7 9700k instead of buying a Ryzen 5 3600X / i5 9600K ?

 

My PSU is Corsair VS550 80+ (not a super good quality tho...)

If you're only gaming the Ryzen 5 3600 is enough. 

[merco]

6 hours ago, modalz said:

Corsair VS550

I believe that one is not great but not bad either, as I found the VS450 in the C Tier on the PSU list in this forum. It should theoretically be fine, I always recommend buying an 80+ gold model because you save power in the long run. It is more efficient than an 80+ white model (not necessarily better quality).

 

For my own rig I landed on a Cooler Master Reactor 80+ gold which seems to be B+ tier judging by that list. ( https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-40/ )

No link from part picker for that one, but the MWE Gold for example is around $80 there 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PxdxFT/cooler-master-mwe-gold-550-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mpy-5501-afaag-us

It is fully modular too which is nice, you can avoid unnecessary cables that way.

However I run the 3600 and a 5600 xt so the 550W is easily enough.

 

As for FPS in games; you compared it with your friends, you would need to compare with the same resolution, are you all on 1080p?

If you look at benchmarks ( just a quick example https://youtu.be/BSe31NVntzc ) between the 6 and 12 core model there is not much of a difference.

 

 

And like Viper9 before me said even the 3600 non x model is enough for gaming, but that's entirely up to you how much you want to spend. 

If I were you I would try to find benchmarks for specific games you actually play. Also think about your monitor, what is your target resolution and hz. In my mind it is never worth it to spend $30-50 more to go from 80 to 100 fps. It's another story if I go from 40 to 60 fps though (assuming I use a 60hz monitor).

 

If you're still unsure about power, look at this site https://seasonic.com/wattage-calculator and put in all the components. Look at how changing the 3600 for a 3900x for example would add like 40 watts or something. Something to keep in mind. 

 

So yeah those are my thoughts on it, hope you find your own way.

 

 

[modalz]

18 hours ago, merco said:

I believe that one is not great but not bad either, as I found the VS450 in the C Tier on the PSU list in this forum. It should theoretically be fine, I always recommend buying an 80+ gold model because you save power in the long run. It is more efficient than an 80+ white model (not necessarily better quality).

 

For my own rig I landed on a Cooler Master Reactor 80+ gold which seems to be B+ tier judging by that list. ( https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psu-tier-list-40/ )

No link from part picker for that one, but the MWE Gold for example is around $80 there 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PxdxFT/cooler-master-mwe-gold-550-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mpy-5501-afaag-us

It is fully modular too which is nice, you can avoid unnecessary cables that way.

However I run the 3600 and a 5600 xt so the 550W is easily enough.

 

As for FPS in games; you compared it with your friends, you would need to compare with the same resolution, are you all on 1080p?

If you look at benchmarks ( just a quick example https://youtu.be/BSe31NVntzc ) between the 6 and 12 core model there is not much of a difference.

 

 

And like Viper9 before me said even the 3600 non x model is enough for gaming, but that's entirely up to you how much you want to spend. 

If I were you I would try to find benchmarks for specific games you actually play. Also think about your monitor, what is your target resolution and hz. In my mind it is never worth it to spend $30-50 more to go from 80 to 100 fps. It's another story if I go from 40 to 60 fps though (assuming I use a 60hz monitor).

 

If you're still unsure about power, look at this site https://seasonic.com/wattage-calculator and put in all the components. Look at how changing the 3600 for a 3900x for example would add like 40 watts or something. Something to keep in mind. 

 

So yeah those are my thoughts on it, hope you find your own way.

 

 

Thanks for those tips; appreciate

 

We have the same settings (1080p everything maxed out), and we all have 144hz monitor, thats why i am suprised, I really think i am going to upgrade (I saw 3700X is 65W only and i really like this - So i might go with this way)

After doing the calculation : Load Wattage:449 W
Recommended PSU Wattage:499 W - so i guess 550W is not that bad tho

 

[Stockholmes]

3700X would be perfect with the 2070 Super. 8 cores / 16 threads, just like the new consoles are getting. So you're future proof on the CPU front for a while, just like with the GPU! 6 core would be good too, but personally I'd go with the 3700X, that one will last you much longer than a 3600 would.

[modalz]

On 3/16/2020 at 7:07 PM, Fasauceome said:

I believe it is 16

 

 

 

@modalz do you have a Z170 or Z270 motherboard? tie to overclock.

@Fasauceome Sorry I've just realized you were asking this !

I actually have a B150M Combo-G motherboard, but I think this chipset is not made for overclocking, is it ?

[Fasauceome]

15 minutes ago, modalz said:

@Fasauceome Sorry I've just realized you were asking this !

I actually have a B150M Combo-G motherboard, but I think this chipset is not made for overclocking, is it ?

The Z series of chipsets is required to overclocking, so unfortunately you're stuck at stock.

[modalz]

Hello guys, I just wanted to let you know that I've purchased a new MB+CPU+DDR+PSU and sold my old components.

Here is what I've bought :

-MB ASRock Z390M PRO4

-CPU i5-9600KF

-DDR Ballistix Black RGB (2 x 8 Go) 3600 MHz CL16

-PSU be quiet! Straight Power 11 650W 80PLUS Platinum

 

I still can swap some items till tomorrow morning if I change my mind and I'm currently wondering if my PSU is good enough if I want to OC my CPU/GPU in the future.

Do you think I'd rather go with a 700/750 Watt PSU in that case ?

 

Quick reminder regarding my future rig :

1SSD + 1HDD (probably gonna buy a second one of 1 To soon) + 2070 Super (1 click OC) + 3 x 140mm fans with LED + Gaming mouse & keyboard (RGB) + Every items listed above

 

Your advice would be awesome

 

Matt

[schwellmo92]

Oof I wouldn’t have gotten the 9600K, you’ll be in the exact same position again in like 2 years. You should have got a 3600/3700X or 9700K.

[modalz]

After watching video comparison I realized that Intel is way better for gaming and Ryzen for multitasks… And I don't stream at all.

9600K>3700X>3600X...

The thing is that Ryzen CPUs never reach high CPU loadage but performance are 10% worse

[schwellmo92]

3 hours ago, modalz said:

After watching video comparison I realized that Intel is way better for gaming and Ryzen for multitasks… And I don't stream at all.

9600K>3700X>3600X...

The thing is that Ryzen CPUs never reach high CPU loadage but performance are 10% worse

Yeah but 6c/6t 9600K is getting close to its limit already, you’ll end up in the exact same situation as you are currently with an underpowered bottlenecking CPU in morning time at all. If you want those last few FPS on the Intel side you should get a 9700K instead.

 

Also what reviews are you looking at? I just had a look at the Techspot 3700X review and it was about 50/50 for average FPS but 3700X has way better minimums.

[modalz]

Well, ok thanks for your advice I going to amend my order then.

Thanks for your help mate !

[modalz]

Just sent an email and replace my 9600K by 3700X

I am a red boy now