Ryzen 3600x build help needed :)

[Vlad Bro]

hello im planing to buy gaming(only) game pc.

 

for now is idea is:

Gigabyte RTX 2070 SUPER GAMING OC 8GB 
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8Ghz AM4
Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS
G.Skill RipJaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin SDRAM PC4-28800 DDR4 3600 CL16-19-19-39
Dark Rock Pro 4 / Noctua NH-D15

 

there is any suggestion for the build?

it it worth to go higher ryzen? or different motherboard?

 

[boggy77]

no point in getting the 3600x if you're adding a cooler. the difference between the 3600 and the 3600x is just the cooler.

the rest looks good. you could get a b450 tomahawk max or a-pro max or gaming plus max for halp the priceof the x570 tuf and it will work just as well. you don't need the 3700x if yuo're just gaming. also the cooler is a bit much, go for an arctic freezer 34 duo. it's ahlf the price and does almost the same job. what ssd are you getting? what psu?

welcome to the forum

[Meganter]

Hello,

 

For gaming the 3600 is even enough, since you're going with an aftermarket cooler I strongly advise to go with a 3600 instead to save some money.

 

A MSI B450 A-Pro, Gaming Plus or Tomahawk Max would also be enough and save some more money.

 

For the cooler the Dark Rock 4 and U14S would also be enough as the 3600 doesn't produce much heat.

[Fasauceome]

this would be pretty good

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$174.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	Noctua NH-U12S 55 CFM CPU Cooler	$59.95 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard	$175.25 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$82.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$99.99 @ B&H
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card	$499.99 @ B&H
Case	NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.98 @ Amazon
Power Supply	BitFenix Whisper M 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$79.00 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1242.14
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-05 10:31 EST-0500

 

[Vlad Bro]

1 minute ago, boggy77 said:

no point in getting the 3600x if you're adding a cooler. the difference between the 3600 and the 3600x is just the cooler.

the rest looks good. you could get a b450 tomahawk max or a-pro max or gaming plus max for halp the priceof the x570 tuf and it will work just as well. you don't need the 3700x if yuo're just gaming. also the cooler is a bit much, go for an arctic freezer 34 duo. it's ahlf the price and does almost the same job. what ssd are you getting? what psu?

welcome to the forum

hello i got already 860 evo 1tb

and i 750watt corsair(dont remember the model) psu

its looks on "paper" that 3600x is a faster then 3600 or its dont matter for gaming?

if i get b450 motherboard i will need to update the bios?

[boggy77]

1 minute ago, Vlad Bro said:

hello i got already 860 evo 1tb

and i 750watt corsair(dont remember the model) psu

its looks on "paper" that 3600x is a faster then 3600 or its dont matter for gaming?

if i get b450 motherboard i will need to update the bios?

the 3600x has a factory overclock exactly for that reason. to look good on paper. in real life, using the same cooler, both the 3600 and the 3600x will boost to the same frequency and will have the same performance.

the MAX versions of the msi b450 boards come with the right bios.

corsair 750w sounds good. 860evo 1tb sounds good.

[Pickles von Brine]

Yeah I wasted my money on the 3600x. Save it and spend it elsewhere. Not worth it. 3600 vs 3600x the difference does not justify 50 dollars

[paddy-stone]

6 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

the MAX versions of the msi b450 boards come with the right bios

Plus they have BIOS flashback anyway, which means the BIOS can be updated even without CPU/RAM installed.

[Vlad Bro]

2 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

the 3600x has a factory overclock exactly for that reason. to look good on paper. in real life, using the same cooler, both the 3600 and the 3600x will boost to the same frequency and will have the same performance.

the MAX versions of the msi b450 boards come with the right bios.

corsair 750w sounds good. 860evo 1tb sounds good.

even if i wont overclock anything its will be almost the same? interesting. so its not worth to upgrade to 3600x for 25$,thanks

B450 Tomahawk Max (Amazon) so will be good chose ?

thanks you

[boggy77]

1 minute ago, Vlad Bro said:

even if i wont overclock anything its will be almost the same? interesting. so its not worth to upgrade to 3600x for 25$,thanks

B450 Tomahawk Max (Amazon) so will be good chose ?

thanks you

yes that's a good choice. even if you don't manually overclock, amd does it's auto-boosting thing, depending on temperature, available power and load etc. so under the same load, and under the same cooler, the 3600 and 3600x will boost to the same frequency.

[Vlad Bro]

Just now, boggy77 said:

yes that's a good choice. even if you don't manually overclock, amd does it's auto-boosting thing, depending on temperature, available power and load etc. so under the same load, and under the same cooler, the 3600 and 3600x will boost to the same frequency.

good to know,thanks you

[boggy77]

Just now, Vlad Bro said:

good to know,thanks you

from techspot:

 

TL;DR

Having tested both R5 3600 models (see all of that further down below), here's the tale of the tape:

• The Ryzen 5 3600 is the better choice at $175 for most people.
• At stock, we found the 3600X to offer a very mild performance increase (5% or less) compared to the vanilla 3600. This small difference does not justify the extra $37.
• Both CPUs tend to overclock to similar levels, and the boost offers negligible performance advantages.
• As shown in our full review, the Ryzen 5 3600 offers tremendous value and will work on even the most basic B350/B450 motherboards.
• The 3600X gets you a better cooler out of the box, but rather than waste ~$40 on the 3600X, we recommend instead to buy the 3600 and if you want to reduce the operating volume and squeeze a tiny bit more performance, grab something like the Cooler Master 212 for $30 that will be more effective anyway.
• Misleading TDP ratings: The only thing that makes the R5 3600 a 65 watt TDP part, is the 65 watt cooler, while the 3600X is a 95 watt TDP part because it comes with a 95 watt cooler. The CPUs themselves are otherwise identical.

[Columbo]

I think you want a 240mm AIO. That has been the consensus on other forums for Zen2 CPU's. 

[boggy77]

Just now, Columbo said:

I think you want a 240mm AIO. That has been the consensus on other forums for Zen2 CPU's. 

it's not going to do much, plus a good air cooler is as efficinet as an aio. OP doesn't want to overclock anyway, so he can either stay with the stock cooler (a bit hotter and noisier) or get a $40 air cooler to keep things cool and quiet. for the price of an AIO, you can bump up to a 3700x

[Vlad Bro]

27 minutes ago, Plouffe said:

Hello,

 

For gaming the 3600 is even enough, since you're going with an aftermarket cooler I strongly advise to go with a 3600 instead to save some money.

 

A MSI B450 A-Pro, Gaming Plus or Tomahawk Max would also be enough and save some more money.

 

For the cooler the Dark Rock 4 and U14S would also be enough as the 3600 doesn't produce much heat.

im looked on Dark Rock 4 and its look like it will block my ram slots (according  to their site) it will block only 1 slot or how its work?

[boggy77]

6 minutes ago, Vlad Bro said:

im looked on Dark Rock 4 and its look like it will block my ram slots (according  to their site) it will block only 1 slot or how its work?

it will cover 1 of 4 slots. look at noctua u12s or arctic freezer 34 duo instead. or just go with the stock cooler if you're not overclocking.

[Vlad Bro]

2 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

it will cover 1 of 4 slots. look at noctua u12s or arctic freezer 34 duo instead. or just go with the stock cooler if you're not overclocking.

thanks

okay i think i will go with ARCTIC Freezer 34 Esports Duo

btw what thermal paste you suggest to buy?

[maizenblue]

Microcenter has the 3600x for 20 more. Id just get it over a 3600 if u live near one. It has a 200 mhz higher boost and base clock. Whether a 3600 boosts the same idk. Mileages may vary so id go x. 

 

Id go noctua over dark rock pro. just keep in mnd they can be hard to install.  The procedure is simple in theory but getting both screws started on the heatsink can be tough. Enough that id do a dry run without paste on my old cpu if possible to figure out how itll go on the cpu u care about. 

[Columbo]

Here is my bench a few minutes ago 3600. Notice my CPU is locked @ 4200mhz. To obtain such performance is a closely guarded secret. 

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/25214013

[glenalz81]

37 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

both the 3600 and the 3600x will boost to the same frequency and will have the same performance.

 

48 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

the difference between the 3600 and the 3600x is just the cooler.

I keep seeing this, i've ran and benched both myself and this is not the case.

 

Closer to 10% at stock is what i found and the X will clock higher at a lower voltage so it is binned better. 

 

Would be different if it was like 50 bucks more but it's not.

 

[boggy77]

2 minutes ago, glenalz81 said:

Closer to 10% at stock is what i found and the X will clock higher at a lower voltage so it is binned better.

using the same cooler?

[boggy77]

17 minutes ago, Vlad Bro said:

thanks

okay i think i will go with ARCTIC Freezer 34 Esports Duo

btw what thermal paste you suggest to buy?

Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver

[glenalz81]

8 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

using the same cooler?

Yep.

 

Granted my sample size was 1 and 1 and they'll always be outliers but from what i can see it's pretty consistent.

 So if you're inclined to try and get the best from your chip and maximise performance the best bet would be the 3600X imo.

 

 

Example from HWBOT, results from R15 submissions with air coolers for both chips.

 

 

 

[Columbo]

25 minutes ago, glenalz81 said:

 

I keep seeing this, i've ran and benched both myself and this is not the case.

 

Closer to 10% at stock is what i found and the X will clock higher at a lower voltage so it is binned better. 

 

Would be different if it was like 50 bucks more but it's not.

 

The 3600x has a 200mhz higher base clock and a 100mhz higher boost clock. All of that can be offset by manually OCing. The 3600x has better binned silicon than the 3600. Remember the 3600/3600x have the worst silicon of the Zen2 processors but you will never notice it. I stick by my 240mm or better AIO suggestion. The Noctua fan club boasts of cooler operation. You can turn the AIO fans way down and see real world 60C performance which is basically silent performance. An AIO makes your case feel empty compared to the 120mm and larger fans. 

[Vlad Bro]

45 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver

thanks