crazy cpu voltage and frequency

[banirain]

i'm running a ryzen 5 3600x and the voltage/frequency are extremely high. voltage stays around 1.4-1.44V (which i know isn't safe) and the frequency is always at around 4300mhz (even on idle, with 3% cpu utilization). if i set the power plan to power saver then it goes down and uses the minimum value (5%) and my cpu will be stuck at 0.9V with 2200mhz. now, either balanced or high performance plans will always keep my cpu on 1.4-1.44V with 4300mhz. i will most likely set the voltage to 1.325 in ryzen master but i also don't want it to be running at that on idle (or on maximum frequency). the voltage also seems to be giving me really high cpu temps. all this data was monitored using hwmonitor, hwinfo and cpu-z. does anybody have a clue on what could be causing this? could this be faulty hardware since i had some other problems before formatting and resetting the bios? thanks

[xg32]

don't set a fixed voltage for zen 2, let pbo do its job, just set a -.05v offset in bios.

 

 

[The Torrent]

10 minutes ago, banirain said:

i'm running a ryzen 5 3600x and the voltage/frequency are extremely high. voltage stays around 1.4-1.44V (which i know isn't safe) and the frequency is always at around 4300mhz (even on idle, with 3% cpu utilization). if i set the power plan to power saver then it goes down and uses the minimum value (5%) and my cpu will be stuck at 0.9V with 2200mhz. now, either balanced or high performance plans will always keep my cpu on 1.4-1.44V with 4300mhz. i will most likely set the voltage to 1.325 in ryzen master but i also don't want it to be running at that on idle (or on maximum frequency). the voltage also seems to be giving me really high cpu temps. all this data was monitored using hwmonitor, hwinfo and cpu-z. does anybody have a clue on what could be causing this? could this be faulty hardware since i had some other problems before formatting and resetting the bios? thanks

nah 1.4-1.45 all fine. Its peak voltage so its like just 1 core spiking and being greedy. Dw about it.

 

Cant see an issue about it being at max frequency thats normal. As long as temps are fine and fans not loud its not a problem.

 

What temps are 'High Temps'.

[Statik]

What are your temps? And what are you using to look at the clocks and volts?

 

Ryzen will automatically boost the Voltage in low core/threadcount workloads, in order to boost performance in those instances, which causes no damage to your CPU. Once you pin it in something like P95 or Cinebench you should notice that the voltage drops to somewhere in the 1.2-1.3V range.

[nick name]

Those high voltages are fine if the CPU isn't under significant load.  

 

And if you do use a negative offset then you'll want to compare with benchmarks (before and after) to make certain the CPU doesn't begin clock stretching as it won't reflect in monitoring software.  

[Jurrunio]

11 minutes ago, banirain said:

voltage stays around 1.4-1.44V (which i know isn't safe) and the frequency is always at around 4300mhz (even on idle, with 3% cpu utilization)

that's only for boosting lightly threaded work. In all core workloads it shouldnt use more than 1.35V, usually 1.3V

 

12 minutes ago, banirain said:

if i set the power plan to power saver then it goes down and uses the minimum value (5%) and my cpu will be stuck at 0.9V with 2200mhz. now, either balanced or high performance plans will always keep my cpu on 1.4-1.44V with 4300mhz.

Use 1usmus' power plan if you want better clock speed adjustments

[banirain]

Just now, The Torrent said:

nah 1.4-1.45 all fine. Its peak voltage so its like just 1 core spiking and being greedy. Dw about it.

 

Cant see an issue about it being at max frequency. As long as temps are fine and fans not loud its not a problem.

that's one of the issues, i'm getting really high temps. right when i got this pc, before i locked it to base clock speed i got up to 94C running a single benchmark. also, i'm afraid that the fact that the power plan settings aren't working properly and the cpu in general isn't working as expected hides some underlying cause that will give me problems in the future (op is a bit of an overthinker).

[banirain]

4 minutes ago, Statik said:

What are your temps? And what are you using to look at the clocks and volts?

 

Ryzen will automatically boost the Voltage in low core/threadcount workloads, in order to boost performance in those instances, which causes no damage to your CPU. Once you pin it in something like P95 or Cinebench you should notice that the voltage drops to somewhere in the 1.2-1.3V range.

hwmonitor, but it's the same in hwinfo. my temps are around 75-80 only at roughly 40-60% usage. whenever i change power plan and it lowers to 0.9V and 2200mhz the temps stay at 45-55 with the same usage.

[The Torrent]

4 minutes ago, banirain said:

that's one of the issues, i'm getting really high temps. right when i got this pc, before i locked it to base clock speed i got up to 94C running a single benchmark. also, i'm afraid that the fact that the power plan settings aren't working properly and the cpu in general isn't working as expected hides some underlying cause that will give me problems in the future (op is a bit of an overthinker).

more detail please.

 

94c in a benchmark ok is that stock? you could just have bad airflow.

 

What about idle? What are temps?

[The Torrent]

4 minutes ago, banirain said:

hwmonitor, but it's the same in hwinfo. my temps are around 75-80 only at roughly 40-60% usage. whenever i change power plan and it lowers to 0.9V and 2200mhz the temps stay at 45-55 with the same usage.

my 3600 is on a h115i liquid cooler and i get 45c idle.

[GoldenLag]

Seems like normal boosting behavior lf a modern desktop CPU. 

 

Low current  scenarios the CPUs use high frequency to be more responsive. The high voltage then isnt harmful. 

[banirain]

18 minutes ago, The Torrent said:

more detail please.

 

94c in a benchmark ok is that stock? you could just have bad airflow.

 

What about idle? What are temps?

it is stock, and i do have bad airflow, but i didn't imagine that either of those would result to numbers this high. idle temps are around 55.

[The Torrent]

2 minutes ago, banirain said:

it is stock, and i do have bad airflow, but i didn't imagine that either of those would result to numbers this high. idle temps are around 55.

That’s fine.

 

airflpw is your problem. A 3600 with stock cooler and bad airflow can easy hit 94.

 

the voltage is fine the clock is fine.

 

try get some more fans sorted.

[banirain]

13 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Seems like normal boosting behavior lf a modern desktop CPU. 

 

Low current  scenarios the CPUs use high frequency to be more responsive. The high voltage then isnt harmful. 

well i don't understand much about computers and hardware in general, but my expectations were for the usage to be proportional to the frequency, voltage and temps. why is the high voltage not harmful when the frequency is also high? and couldn't high frequency and voltage even though it's not needed shorten my cpu's lifetime or cause other problems?

[banirain]

Just now, The Torrent said:

That’s fine.

 

airflpw is your problem. A 3600 with stock cooler and bad airflow can easy hit 94.

 

the voltage is fine the clock is fine.

 

try get some more fans sorted.

thanks, all i really need is an exhaust fan in the back i think. i planned on getting one right after i got the pc but i stumbled across these issues and decided to not get it until i knew for sure what was causing them lol

[WereCat]

21 minutes ago, banirain said:

well i don't understand much about computers and hardware in general, but my expectations were for the usage to be proportional to the frequency, voltage and temps. why is the high voltage not harmful when the frequency is also high? and couldn't high frequency and voltage even though it's not needed shorten my cpu's lifetime or cause other problems?

It's safe when the CPU is not heavily loaded which also means there is a low current. 

 

High voltage combined with a lot of current would be harmful regardless of frequency. That's why we have LLC, power limit, and Vdroop to prevent this. 

[banirain]

21 minutes ago, The Torrent said:

That’s fine.

 

airflpw is your problem. A 3600 with stock cooler and bad airflow can easy hit 94.

 

the voltage is fine the clock is fine.

 

try get some more fans sorted.

also, all the cores are above 1.45V right now

[banirain]

6 minutes ago, WereCat said:

It's safe when the CPU is not heavily loaded which also means there is a low current. 

 

High voltage combined with a lot of current would be harmful regardless of frequency. That's why we have LLC, power limit, and Vdroop to prevent this. 

well whenever i play a heavier game it will be heavily loaded, so will my voltage drop then?

[GoldenLag]

6 hours ago, banirain said:

and couldn't high frequency and voltage even though it's not needed shorten my cpu's lifetime or cause other problems?

Not in low current scenarios.

 

Like i answered in my original answer.

6 hours ago, banirain said:

why is the high voltage not harmful when the frequency is also high?

Because in a non-power limited PC like a fulltower, it makes the system more responsive. 

6 hours ago, banirain said:

but my expectations were for the usage to be proportional to the frequency, voltage and temps.

In a laptop that would be the case. And when the CPU does go into resting mode that is the case, otherwise its nit 

[The Torrent]

13 hours ago, banirain said:

also, all the cores are above 1.45V right now

its fine

heres mine i just turned the cpu on.

 

I phoned a few places up and asked a while back they all said if auto is giving high voltage if temps are fine its all ok.