The card some of you are still waiting for - Higher performance Navi Rumours

[porina]

9 minutes ago, leadeater said:

It's not like not beating the 2080 Ti is that bad either, I'd take a 2080 at 70% the cost of one but it's right now more important to get the top crown win, I just don't think it'll happen in 2020.

Maybe a more interesting question then is not when AMD can offer something beating the 2080 Ti, but if they can do it before nvidia beat the 2080 Ti (excluding Titans).

[RejZoR]

23 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Like all internet claims, gut sauce 

 

Usually I'd wait longer but track record is not on AMD rumor side here, at all lol.

 

It's not like not beating the 2080 Ti is that bad either, I'd take a 2080 at 70% the cost of one but it's right now more important to get the top crown win, I just don't think it'll happen in 2020.

There are also people who don't want to use NVIDIA no matter how good, cheap or power efficient their cards are.

[GoldenLag]

2 hours ago, leadeater said:

Has been a long time since AMD have done a memory bus as wide as 512-bit though.

Sadly 512-bit seems like to be very difficult to do with gddr6. 

 

 

Unlike the 290x, you need to actually have equal distance between the dies

 

That means a lot of PCB layers to have any sort of signal integraty. 

 

Spoiler

2080ti 384-bit

 

R9 290x 512-bit

 

 

2 hours ago, leadeater said:

I'll eat my shoe if that happens, if released this year.

launches cherrypick.exe

 

in what metric?

What if its 10% more RTX-ops?

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, GoldenLag said:

What if its 10% more RTX-ops?

AMD having more RTX ops? What witchcraft is this 

 

I wouldn't be surprised though if AMD does have better RT hardware acceleration, either just in the BVH calculations or the whole RT pipeline as AMD has always been strong in general computation which in theory should suit the style of denoising in BFV/Port Royal which uses standard Shader/Compute not Tensor accelerated.

 

1 hour ago, GoldenLag said:

launches cherrypick.exe

PsSuspend backtrack.exe

[Polyvalent]

16 hours ago, dizmo said:

 It's also a bad sign to see rumors of the card having 16GB of VRAM. It's unnecessary and is going to inflate the costs of the card without giving most users any real advantage. 

 

This can't be said enough times.  I really hope they don't pull this stupid of a move.

[porina]

1 hour ago, leadeater said:

I wouldn't be surprised though if AMD does have better RT hardware acceleration, either just in the BVH calculations or the whole RT pipeline as AMD has always been strong in general computation which in theory should suit the style of denoising in BFV/Port Royal which uses standard Shader/Compute not Tensor accelerated.

Imagine if we end up in a situation where the cards are slower in non-RT applications but faster in RT ones...

 

I think most understand that while nvidia went for first mover advantage with RTX, it has significant performance limitations. AMD by not rushing to market can try to avoid those, but they're still at risk from next gen RTX if they don't get a move on.

[Master Disaster]

16GB of Vram and 512 bit bus? Sounds like a pro/workstation card IMO. I've grown wary of listening to rumors about AMD GPUs, they're never even remotely accurate.

[Bombastinator]

Just now, Master Disaster said:

16GB of Vram and 512 bit bus? Sounds like a pro/workstation card IMO.

There are other estimates that appear to be far lower and one that opinions that the bus is close to impossible if not flat out to even create with current tech given other stats.  If they do it they’ve made a bigger jump than the 1080 did. 

[JuztBe]

3 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

 

in what metric?

 

What if its 10% more RTX-ops?

Good catch. I'd say typical gaming performance would be the most reasonable.

No OC results, stock vs stock. Hardware unboxed benchmarks always features a lot of games. That would eliminate benchmarks where titles favors more one or another team. So I'd recommend deciding lead's faith on their benchmarks.

You cool with that? @leadeater

 

[suicidalfranco]

I just hope that it's not priced like a 2070 super

[Beskamir]

Yes cause cloud gaming has worked so well in the past.

[dizmo]

12 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

that's right about the same kind of payoff on the next morning ._.

 

(i know, Navi still has yet to convince the higher-performance crowd. Personally I'm waiting to see what RDNA2 would bring to the table. ditto intel Xe)

Yeah, 2020 will be an interesting year for sure. I'm more interested in 2021 though; 2020 will be great for launches, 2021 will be great for more refined products.

Intel GPU, under display cameras, many camera phones, large batteries...it's going to be a trip.

11 hours ago, leadeater said:

If the reported 384-bit or 512-bit is true it may just be a side effect from that and the minimum GDDR6 die you can actually buy. The VRAM size might be unnecessary but the bandwidth may not. Has been a long time since AMD have done a memory bus as wide as 512-bit though.

Well, not exactly, but it's not like high bandwidth has ever really helped their cards that much before. Radeon VII specifically.

[leadeater]

4 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Well, not exactly, but it's not like high bandwidth has ever really helped their cards that much before. Radeon VII specifically.

True but AMD has a habit of either throwing too much memory bandwidth at a design without a core that needs it or not enough bandwidth at a core that could do more. They suck at balance and also just need more than Nvidia does for the same performance, though revisions of RDNA may start to address that.

 

Edit:

Either way they aren't putting out a faster card than the 5700 XT with the same memory bandwidth as that.

[BiG StroOnZ]