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2 minutes ago, amdorintel said:

you gotta be joking, where it was at was the muscle car era!

yeah just make sure the road doesn't have any turns , and it's not a cold day outside.

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3 minutes ago, emosun said:

yeah just make sure the road doesn't have any turns , and it's not a cold day outside.

yeaaaaaa

 

great times back in the day!

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On 12/18/2019 at 5:52 PM, emosun said:

Suddenly the pontiac aztek looking pretty good

"Ugly , but doesn't spy on you!"

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20 hours ago, LeSheen said:

Doesn't Linus drive one?

@LinusTech Are you still driving a 2017 Chevy Volt?

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13 hours ago, emosun said:

yeah just make sure the road doesn't have any turns , and it's not a cold day outside.

I'm more concerned by the drum brakes. Muscle cars in the US don't need to turn, we're primarily grid based. Temperature? We're hotter than the EU on average.

But stopping? Stopping is a universal problem.

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5 hours ago, JZStudios said:

Temperature?

yeah let me know how hot it was in january in 1972

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1 hour ago, emosun said:

yeah let me know how hot it was in january in 1972

Where I live? Lows of ~40 and highs of ~65. Why, was it cold where you live? I also don't see the relevance since we're talking about now, not 1972.

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Our phone & internet companies do more tracking .The car thing is an addition to that.  Can we blame just the cars for keeping a log on things? we are already in that system of surveillance.  But this one can be put to a bit more scrutiny since this would be abused by some 3rd party if given chance.

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My 15 year old Camry definitely beats modern cars in privacy. It doesn't even have an aux jack! It just needs a new timing belt and it should be good for another 140,000km.

 

 I'm hoping to keep her going until around 20205 when I hope that electric cars have come down in price enough for me to afford one. Plus, hopefully we'll have a more mature electric ecosystem, fleshed out privacy laws (pfffft), and maybe some solid state batteries.

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1 hour ago, YellowJersey said:

I'm hoping to keep her going until around 20205 when I hope that electric cars have come down in price enough for me to afford one.

Some really long term plans right there.

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tbh who really cares. I dont mind if my car is collecting my data. 

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10 minutes ago, floofer said:

tbh who really cares. I dont mind if my car is collecting my data. 

I'm reminded of a youtube video I saw a while ago, it was about privacy in messaging apps, at one point the guy mentioned "Sure right now you might not have anything to hide, but what about 5 years from now when they've made meat illegal and they can see you and your friend have a bacon smuggling ring". the point is right now you might not have anything to hide but things can change quickly.

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2 hours ago, Tog Driver said:

Some really long term plans right there.

It's a Toyota Camry. I wouldn't be surprised if it were eventually excavated from the ruins 20,000 years from now and still started.

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13 hours ago, YellowJersey said:

It's a Toyota Camry. I wouldn't be surprised if it were eventually excavated from the ruins 20,000 years from now and still started.

I'm now curious if there will be a calendar reset when we hit the year 10,000. Like, yeah, that's enough let's start over from 0 for the next 10,000 years. I already sort of don't like saying it's the year twenty twenty, but twenty... five hundred o two?

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On December 20, 2019 at 11:49 AM, JZStudios said:

I'm more concerned by the drum brakes. Muscle cars in the US don't need to turn, we're primarily grid based. Temperature? We're hotter than the EU on average.

But stopping? Stopping is a universal problem.

You do know that drum brakes work right? The may not be as good as disk brakes but every drum brake equipped vehicle didn't lose the ability to stop as soon as disk brakes were invented.

 

14 hours ago, YellowJersey said:

It's a Toyota Camry. I wouldn't be surprised if it were eventually excavated from the ruins 20,000 years from now and still started.

The year 20210:

"[unintelligble screaming]"

Translation:

"battery still good, petrol in the tank, oil still in the pan. I wonder what'll happen if I turn the key. . ."

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3 hours ago, Tog Driver said:

You do know that drum brakes work right? The may not be as good as disk brakes but every drum brake equipped vehicle didn't lose the ability to stop as soon as disk brakes were invented.

Really? I wasn't aware. Here I thought it was air resistance stopping my shitbox when I applied the brakes.

The 197x Silverado with disc brakes we have damn near stops on a dime, my car doesn't stop for shit.

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3 hours ago, JZStudios said:

I'm now curious if there will be a calendar reset when we hit the year 10,000. Like, yeah, that's enough let's start over from 0 for the next 10,000 years. I already sort of don't like saying it's the year twenty twenty, but twenty... five hundred o two?

It's hard to say. I imagine our current anno domini system will fall out of use one way or another. If the world stays connected, then I imagine switching to something more universal could seem appealing. There's already a push for this. If we experience a widespread collapse, then it wouldn't be surprising to see more regional calendars pop up.

 

 Ultimately, I think the issue is one of practicality. Would the switch be done because there's a practical reason for it, or would it be "just because?" Unless there's a practical need to switch, I don't see it being done due to the inconvenience and cost of transition. I don't see much of a practical need to switch unless/until we become a multi-planet species and need to take into account the difference between the orbits of the moon, Mars, Earth, etc.

 

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1 minute ago, YellowJersey said:

It's hard to say. I imagine our current anno domini system will fall out of use one way or another. If the world stays connected, then I imagine switching to something more universal could seem appealing. There's already a push for this. If we experience a widespread collapse, then it wouldn't be surprising to see more regional calendars pop up.

 

 Ultimately, I think the issue is one of practicality. Would the switch be done because there's a practical reason for it, or would it be "just because?" Unless there's a practical need to switch, I don't see it being done due to the inconvenience and cost of transition. I don't see much of a practical need to switch unless/until we become a multi-planet species and need to take into account the difference between the orbits of the moon, Mars, Earth, etc.

 

Well with time being relative and Mars and the Moon having lower gravity, they'd have to do some pretty serious math to figure that shit out. I think Mars also has like 40 hour days and frankly just super shitty views.

I mean, hell even just going to a mountain top and back down screws with time. Your life expectancy on Mars or especially the moon, would be considerably shorter than the Earth... compared to Earth anyways. Not to mention the ill effects of low gravity...

 

Weren't we talking about James Bond spy cars?

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1 hour ago, JZStudios said:

Really? I wasn't aware. Here I thought it was air resistance stopping my shitbox when I applied the brakes.

The 197x Silverado with disc brakes we have damn near stops on a dime, my car doesn't stop for shit.

When you're controlling the air resistance with the brake pedal.

 

I can't help you, I've driven plenty of vehicles with drum brakes, never had any problems.

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Between the crosses, row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
 
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
        In Flanders fields.
 
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
        In Flanders fields.

 

 

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If you want me to reply, tag me @Tog Driver, Or quote me.

 

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1 hour ago, Tog Driver said:

When you're controlling the air resistance with the brake pedal.

 

I can't help you, I've driven plenty of vehicles with drum brakes, never had any problems.

Disc brakes work better. Especially when it's a large and heavy vehicle.

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7 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

Disc brakes work better. Especially when it's a large and heavy vehicle.

As I said:

7 hours ago, Tog Driver said:

The may not be as good as disk brakes

Disc brakes may be better but drum brakes still work.

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In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
 
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
        In Flanders fields.
 
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
        In Flanders fields.

 

 

Cry havoc and let slip the Togs of war.  (Signature V3)

 

If you want me to reply, tag me @Tog Driver, Or quote me.

 

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
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12 minutes ago, Tog Driver said:

As I said:

Disc brakes may be better but drum brakes still work.

Okay. And if I had a muscle car, I'd be more concerned about the brakes than a corner or the temperature.

This argument is stupid.

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1 minute ago, JZStudios said:

Okay. And if I had a muscle car, I'd be more concerned about the brakes than a corner or the temperature.

This argument is stupid.

Okay, it probably is, but to me it sounded like you thought drum brakes somehow didn't work.

 

anyway. good day.

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In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
 
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
        In Flanders fields.
 
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
        In Flanders fields.

 

 

Cry havoc and let slip the Togs of war.  (Signature V3)

 

If you want me to reply, tag me @Tog Driver, Or quote me.

 

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
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1 minute ago, Tog Driver said:

Okay, it probably is, but to me it sounded like you thought drum brakes somehow didn't work.

 

anyway. good day.

Nope. Best mods you can do to your car to improve "performance" is a good set of tires and upgraded brakes.

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1 minute ago, JZStudios said:

Nope. Best mods you can do to your car to improve "performance" is a good set of tires and upgraded brakes.

Does depend on the car tbh. My dad's '88 GT 5.0 Mustang would get the most benefit from subframe connectors and then a better suspension to (IIRC) keep the rear tires on the ground better. The tires and brakes are fine unless you needed to track it or something, but it's a convertible so that wouldn't really be possible anyways. 

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