Next-gen question

[Weedflu]

So for you guys that know most about GPU n CPU's

 

What's the next CPU for Intel & Amd?

 

What's the next GPU for Intel & Amd?

 

Q:  does anyone know how much of a upgrade let's say 3060/3080ti will be compared to a 2080ti? What will the esimate price be? And when a release will be? Is it really worth buying a 2080ti today 10/13/2019 or sit and wait for the 30series?.

 

Q:  how much of a upgrade will the next CPU be from either Amd or Intel compared to Ryzen 9 3900x & i9 9900k? What will be the price? Release date? And again is it worth buying i9 or R9 now and just wait for a GPU to be better or just wait both GPU & CPU and see after 2020 hit us?.

 

I know that if we want the best possible we will wait forever, but since im buying one time i just don't wanna buy something now and let's say early/mid 2020 they release something that not only will have a huge advantage over the current specs but also price being way less then what it has been untill now, because then I will waste money, if let's say 2080ti and R9 or I9 was released 1 week ago, i would just buy it and be happy and not care if a way better specc comes 8 to 1 year later, but since were almost in the 2020 I feel like It would be stupid of me to buy a $2000-3000$ PC now and few months from now i get the same PC but better hope ya understand where Im coming from.

[emosun]

this is....... a 100% pure speculation question grounded in guesses and not reality.

Nobody here knows anything about products that do not exist , if you just wanted pure sci fi fantasy answers you'll get them and thats going to be it.

[dizmo]

How is this tech news?

 

In terms of your question, none of us have a crystal ball. We can't see into the future.

[Weedflu]

2 minutes ago, emosun said:

this is....... a 100% pure speculation question grounded in guesses and not reality.

Nobody here knows anything about products that do not exist , if you just wanted pure sci fi fantasy answers you'll get them and thats going to be it.

Sure, i get what you are saying but since most here know a hand loads more about me and follow the latest news, Id go with the speculations since most of the time everything goes in a cycle, for example 1080ti compared to 2080ti was not that huge from what i seen from comments and statistics.

[emosun]

5 minutes ago, Weedflu said:

since most here know a hand loads more about me

then take our advice and learn that technology isn't predictable , one year you have a 300mhz pentium 2 , then the next year you have a 600mhz pentium 3..... making the previous pentium 2 totally useless in the eyes of the buyers.

you cannot predict anything , if we could , we'd all be rich stock brokers instead of helping people solve little computer problems on a forum for free.
 

5 minutes ago, Weedflu said:

and follow the latest news

Also , the latest news ... is things have have already happened , not things that don't exist and haven't happened.

jump on google news and type in intel/amd/nvidia.... and TADA you now have all the news we have.

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, Weedflu said:

What's the next CPU for Intel & Amd?

Cascade Lake X and Comet Lake are the next CPUs for Intel, basically Skylake-X Refresh at lower prices and slightly more PCIe lanes and Coffee Lake with more cores (itself Skylake with more cores)

 

Threadripper 3rd gen and 3950X is the next for AMD

 

3 minutes ago, Weedflu said:

What's the next GPU for Intel & Amd?

no info on Intel's GPU, AMD's next is the RX 5500 series.

 

16 minutes ago, Weedflu said:

Q:  does anyone know how much of a upgrade let's say 3060/3080ti will be compared to a 2080ti? What will the esimate price be? And when a release will be? Is it really worth buying a 2080ti today 10/13/2019 or sit and wait for the 30series?.

Dont even have leaks for those

 

17 minutes ago, Weedflu said:

Q:  how much of a upgrade will the next CPU be from either Amd or Intel compared to Ryzen 9 3900x & i9 9900k? What will be the price? Release date? And again is it worth buying i9 or R9 now and just wait for a GPU to be better or just wait both GPU & CPU and see after 2020 hit us?.

nor for these

[Weedflu]

51 minutes ago, dizmo said:

How is this tech news?

 

In terms of your question, none of us have a crystal ball. We can't see into the future.

Im fully aware we can't see the future, but this could still be answered with a common guess from people with knowlage, mabey it will not be 100% accurate but if someone asked me in a field i know in the back in my head i would be able to give a abit better answer then " we can't see into the future " for example i seen that Nvidia will focus more on preformance rather then what they did with the 2080ti card, this would help me abot better with trying to understand what i will do.

 

43 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Cascade Lake X and Comet Lake are the next CPUs for Intel, basically Skylake-X Refresh at lower prices and slightly more PCIe lanes and Coffee Lake with more cores (itself Skylake with more cores)

 

Threadripper 3rd gen and 3950X is the next for AMD

 

no info on Intel's GPU, AMD's next is the RX 5500 series.

 

Dont even have leaks for those

 

nor for these

Really appriciate you for not being like the other 2 people who just wanna be rude, and actually try give the information you know, thanks.

 

45 minutes ago, emosun said:

then take our advice and learn that technology isn't predictable , one year you have a 300mhz pentium 2 , then the next year you have a 600mhz pentium 3..... making the previous pentium 2 totally useless in the eyes of the buyers.

you cannot predict anything , if we could , we'd all be rich stock brokers instead of helping people solve little computer problems on a forum for free.
 

Also , the latest news ... is things have have already happened , not things that don't exist and haven't happened.

jump on google news and type in intel/amd/nvidia.... and TADA you now have all the news we have.

I been on google n all kinds of forums and didn't get the info I was looking for. They all talk politics prices and older specs rather then try to talk about the newer stuff.

[emosun]

1 minute ago, Weedflu said:

politics prices and older specs

yeah , looking at past trends would be an example of guessing what the future could be , but again......... you're asking people to predict the future so I don't know what you are hoping to accomplish here.

[samcool55]

4 minutes ago, Weedflu said:

Im fully aware we can't see the future, but this could still be answered with a common guess from people with knowlage, mabey it will not be 100% accurate but if someone asked me in a field i know in the back in my head i would be able to give a abit better answer then " we can't see into the future " for example i seen that Nvidia will focus more on preformance rather then what they did with the 2080ti card, this would help me abot better with trying to understand what i will do.

Well Intel is according to rumors going to enter the GPU market next year so who knows wtf will happen.

It might be a complete disaster that runs hot AF and has crappy drivers, or it might be a great succes and competing with the 2080ti, we have NO idea.

We can make some educated guesses what Nvidia will do but the thing is, we don't know what AMD will do because Navi might be the first architecture that competes with nvidia in the high-end market since years but we have no clue if that will actually happen. If ryzen is anything to go by, they might? Add Intel to the mix and it's a complete mystery what the GPU market will do.

 

CPU wise, everything is still pointing in Intel being in full panic mode and unable to compete so this will probably slow down AMD progress wise because the competition isn't as big of a threat anymore as it used to be.

 

Also, AMD told us that they will support AM4 until 2020 at least, if they extend that number just get whatever you can get now CPU wise that makes sense for your budget and requirements and stick with that (at least AMD wise because whatever brings the future will just be a bios-update and a drop-in replacement for whatever motherboard and ram you have).

[dizmo]

Just now, emosun said:

yeah , looking at past trends would be an example of guessing what the future could be , but again......... you're asking people to predict the future so I don't know what you are hoping to accomplish here.

He's going to latch onto the first person who just gives their randomly wild guess, and consider that fact, which is hugely unhelpful, but he'll take it as gospel anyway.

 

[Eigenvektor]

17 minutes ago, Weedflu said:

for example i seen that Nvidia will focus more on preformance rather then what they did with the 2080ti card, this would help me abot better with trying to understand what i will do.

And if that guess is wrong, then your actions taken based on that guess are ill informed.

 

It's likely that Nvidia will focus on performance.  But will they focus more on rasterization performance or ray tracing performance? Who knows. If I tell you they will focus 100% on rasterization, how will that influence your decision? And what if it turns out they double down on ray tracing instead, is your decision still the correct one?

9 minutes ago, Weedflu said:

I been on google n all kinds of forums and didn't get the info I was looking for. They all talk politics prices and older specs rather then try to talk about the newer stuff.

Because it's idle speculation that leads nowhere. My guess is Nvidia will primarily improve ray tracing performance. But I could be totally wrong about that.

[Weedflu]

2 minutes ago, emosun said:

yeah , looking at past trends would be an example of guessing what the future could be , but again......... you're asking people to predict the future so I don't know what you are hoping to accomplish here.

Im not trying to accomplish anything, just trying to get a better understanding and knowlage from people who been in this field for god knows how long, look what of kind response jurrunio gave me, he didn't predict anything just gave me the knowlage and news he seen and heard..that's all i can ask and thanks to him, i can now try and figure things out by myself on when and if I should buy somwthing.

[emosun]

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

He's going to latch onto the first person who just gives their randomly wild guess, and consider that fact, which is hugely unhelpful, but he'll take it as gospel anyway.

 

i couldnt have said that better myself

[Weedflu]

4 minutes ago, dizmo said:

He's going to latch onto the first person who just gives their randomly wild guess, and consider that fact, which is hugely unhelpful, but he'll take it as gospel anyway.

 

Atleast it gives me an idea, your answer gave me nothing, i rather go with something in mind then a shitty comment from you to be fair.

[samcool55]

10 minutes ago, Weedflu said:

Im not trying to accomplish anything, just trying to get a better understanding and knowlage from people who been in this field for god knows how long, look what of kind response jurrunio gave me, he didn't predict anything just gave me the knowlage and news he seen and heard..that's all i can ask and thanks to him, i can now try and figure things out by myself on when and if I should buy somwthing.

Well if you want to base your purchase decisions for next year on stuff that will be launched next month go ahead.

Just so you know stuff will be different next year because there's constantly new stuff announced, launched and reviewed.

A lot can and will change in the tech world in just a few months, even in a few weeks stuff can change!

 

A good example is the 16-core threadripper vs the 18-core 7980XE.

Or the 32-core threadripper and the 28-core intel whatever it's called.

Just last week stuff changed in a matter of DAYS, not weeks, not months, not years, DAYS.

That's how fast stuff changes and why people are annoyed with your question, yes we can make a guess but we cannot predict and the thing with predictions is, they can be wrong and with all the stuff that happend recently it's more likely it IS wrong these days.

[Weedflu]

29 minutes ago, Eigenvektor said:

And if that guess is wrong, then your actions taken based on that guess are ill informed.

 

It's likely that Nvidia will focus on performance.  But will they focus more on rasterization performance or ray tracing performance? Who knows. If I tell you they will focus 100% on rasterization, how will that influence your decision? And what if it turns out they double down on ray tracing instead. Is your decision still the correct one?

Because it's idle speculation that leads nowhere. My guess is Nvidia will primarily improve ray tracing performance. But I could be totally wrong about that.

Fair answer, i respect that. First of all I don't even know what 'rasterization' is . Like i said in the other comment, anything that can lead me somewhere new words or speculations will give me far more info then someone just writing a short rude answer for attention or likes. I wilö obviously not go with what someone says but atleast i get to think more and able to search more about that info, that way i might not post a forum post because now I have 1% more knowlage about a word or brand name, u get me?

 

19 minutes ago, samcool55 said:

Well if you want to base your purchase decisions for next year on stuff that will be launched next month go ahead.

Just so you know stuff will be different next year because there's constantly new stuff announced, launched and reviewed.

A lot can and will change in the tech world in just a few months, even in a few weeks stuff can change!

 

A good example is the 16-core threadripper vs the 18-core 7980XE.

Or the 32-core threadripper and the 28-core intel whatever it's called.

 

Just last week stuff changed in a matter of DAYS, not weeks, not months, not years, DAYS.

That's how fast stuff changes and why people are annoyed with your question, yes we can make a guess but we cannot predict and the thing with predictions is, they can be wrong and with all the stuff that happend recently it's more likely it IS wrong these days.

I respect your view, and what u just wrote and shared to me is way more value to me then, a short "can't see the future" type of comment, so thank you for sharing. Sure i know tech changes more then anything in my understanding, but then again, for me to hear brands and words i never heard before will help me alot more to kind of know what i will do.

[Eigenvektor]

2 minutes ago, Weedflu said:

Fair answer, i respect that. First of all I don't even know what 'rasterization' is .

Basically "traditional graphics". Since they're ahead of AMD, my guess would be that they'll try to get a performance lead in ray tracing before AMD even has a product that can do it in hardware. But then again, there was a lot of whining about this gen being a small performance upgrade, so they might focus on traditional performance over ray tracing.

5 minutes ago, Weedflu said:

that way i might not post a forum post because now I have 1% more knowlage about a word or brand name, u get me?

Kind of. The thing is, it's pretty well known at this point that Cascade Lake X etc are coming, and it's a fair guess they're going to be faster. But by how much isn't really known until there are benchmarks from reviewers. They should be worth it, considering that Intel is pretty much halving the prices compared to the previous gen, but they're still on the expensive side. So it's not really clear if they're worth it over AMD or if they're worth waiting for.

[Weedflu]

3 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

no one knows. there's the possibility that nvidia might be doing a die shrink (7nm at samsung's) on the 30 series, so that gives two possibilities: either more transistors for the same die area (i.e. more performance), or making the die smaller (i.e. more power efficient and smaller cards)

 

the xx80 should be slated to launch in 2020 (no time frame so far). this year's has been the refresh year, so the cycle should be consistent unless nvidia has a surprise/upset either way

 

wait, after Ryzen 3000? there's 7nm+ on that (Zen 3 Ryzen 4000), so other than (i'm guessing) better power efficiency there's not much known.

 

Intel's side there's rumours of a core count increase (10-core i9 on regular desktop), but since they're still stuck on 14nm i wouldn't expect any miracles outside of multicore

 

no idea. you can probably hit up camelcamelcamel or PCPartPicker to see the price history of existing or previous parts, but other than that it's just speculation. wouldn't hurt to think it'll be more expensive, since it's a progressing piece anyway, but if it doesn't then at least there's that surprise. 

 

AMD and Intel probably targets specific months, but their schedule isn't made public on Google Calendar.

 

the only known timeframe is AMD's HEDT stuff this coming november, other than that there hasn't been whispers of anything at all

 

get the part you need now, unless you can afford to wait it out (although if you're wanting to wait an entire year, you're overthinking this). the day your PC goes obsolete is the day you buy it. i say this as an owner of a 6800K. it's trampled on by any R5 from AMD, but on its own it's still usable. it's still great for editing and having multiple programs in the background. it's lacking in rendering, so my next upgrade is targeting that (and november isn't far away. i won't be getting it that soon though). if you're comparing your stuff to the bleeding edge you'll never be satisfied.

 

for what it's worth, the X299 slashing shouldn't be happening anytime soon again.

Thanks alot for your time sharing with me, i will look into it more, and this gave me more information then i expected.

[emosun]

I can see there's a disconnect between people who have been building computers so long they have been burned but generation leaps , and people who haven't had that happen yet.

[cj09beira]

on the cpu side dont expect anything that would make buying today a bad choice, on the gpu side, prices are WAY out of hand, and current raytracing tech wont age well at all (just not powerful enough), the next gen of cards in 2020 should be a lot better due to 7nm on nvidia's side and improved navi on amd's.

 

there are also those that say that because the consoles will use a (~13Tflop) navi gpu with raytracing, and that raytracing is using a quite different approach which is alot more flexible, nvidia's approach might stop getting support really soon.

[Weedflu]

19 minutes ago, Eigenvektor said:

Basically "traditional graphics". Since they're ahead of AMD, my guess would be that they'll try to get a performance lead in ray tracing before AMD even has a product that can do it in hardware. But then again, there was a lot of whining about this gen being a small performance upgrade, so they might focus on traditional performance over ray tracing.

Kind of. The thing is, it's pretty well known at this point that Cascade Lake X etc are coming, and it's a fair guess they're going to be faster. But by how much isn't really known until there are benchmarks from reviewers. They should be worth it, considering that Intel is pretty much halving the prices compared to the previous gen, but they're still on the expensive side. So it's not really clear if they're worth it over AMD or if they're worth waiting for.

Yea i guess Intel got the message about their prices was sky high, and they must have been getting alot of shit with the ray-tracing, this might make them do a better job for the next part.

[Weedflu]

2 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

on the cpu side dont expect anything that would make buying today a bad choice, on the gpu side, prices are WAY out of hand, and current raytracing tech wont age well at all (just not powerful enough), the next gen of cards in 2020 should be a lot better due to 7nm on nvidia's side and improved navi on amd's.

 

there are also those that say that because the consoles will use a (~13Tflop) navi gpu with raytracing, and that raytracing is using a quite different approach which is alot more flexible, nvidia's approach might stop getting support really soon.

Sorry but what is 13Tflop?, i might be totally wrong but is it threads flop?.

 

Okay so, i might just wait 2020 and see how much the price drop for i9 and R9 and hopefully see more info on what the new CPU has, if price drops i mabey buy one of the i9 R9 and wait for more info on the GPU cards. As far as I know the CPU will work for years before you really need to upgrade them right? GPU on the other hand might need more upgrade depending on, i see people change GPU way more then CPU, i don't know mabey im wrong.

[Eigenvektor]

13 minutes ago, emosun said:

I can see there's a disconnect between people who have been building computers so long they have been burned but generation leaps , and people who haven't had that happen yet.

I would say it's not so bad anymore. When I first started building computers by the time you where done it was pretty much obsolete the moment something new came out because it would either be 100% faster or 50% cheaper.

 

My advice would be: If there's something new in the (very) near future, wait until you get reviews then decide if it's worth it. If it's in the far future (Zen 3, Navi+1, RTX 3xxx, ...) just ignore it, unless you can wait that long. Then look it up once it's out before making a decision. Don't base you decision on rumors of what could be.

 

Especially on the GPU side stuff is in flux, because AMD will also bring out ray tracing but no one knows if it's console specific, usable on Windows (DXR?) and how quickly games in general will pick it up.

[Weedflu]

56 minutes ago, samcool55 said:

Well Intel is according to rumors going to enter the GPU market next year so who knows wtf will happen.

It might be a complete disaster that runs hot AF and has crappy drivers, or it might be a great succes and competing with the 2080ti, we have NO idea.

We can make some educated guesses what Nvidia will do but the thing is, we don't know what AMD will do because Navi might be the first architecture that competes with nvidia in the high-end market since years but we have no clue if that will actually happen. If ryzen is anything to go by, they might? Add Intel to the mix and it's a complete mystery what the GPU market will do.

 

CPU wise, everything is still pointing in Intel being in full panic mode and unable to compete so this will probably slow down AMD progress wise because the competition isn't as big of a threat anymore as it used to be.

 

Also, AMD told us that they will support AM4 until 2020 at least, if they extend that number just get whatever you can get now CPU wise that makes sense for your budget and requirements and stick with that (at least AMD wise because whatever brings the future will just be a bios-update and a drop-in replacement for whatever motherboard and ram you have).

Yea I mean with abit of common sense, a company or person doing something new for the first time, i don't expect Intel doing a super amazing GPU for their first release, i meen it's possible but very unlikely, my best guess is that it will be like a flop and mabey in the future they might do amazing with some more experience.

[Eigenvektor]

6 minutes ago, Weedflu said:

Sorry but what is 13Tflop?, i might be totally wrong but is it threads flop?.

flops = floating operations per second. A measure of performance for non-integer numbers.

tera flops is basically "trillion floating operations per second"