Next-gen question

[Weedflu]

1 minute ago, Eigenvektor said:

flop = floating operations per second. A measure of performance for non-integer numbers.

I have a lot to learn , thanks

[cj09beira]

 

6 minutes ago, Weedflu said:

I have a lot to learn , thanks

in easier terms its around 25% faster than current navi cards.

(flops is a good measure for performance within the same architecture but doesn't always correlate 100% with gaming performance, as it represents max math processing power and ignores all possible inefficiencies )

[Weedflu]

1 hour ago, VegetableStu said:

no one knows. there's the possibility that nvidia might be doing a die shrink (7nm at samsung's) on the 30 series, so that gives two possibilities: either more transistors for the same die area (i.e. more performance), or making the die smaller (i.e. more power efficient and smaller cards)

 

the xx80 should be slated to launch in 2020 (no time frame so far). this year's has been the refresh year, so the cycle should be consistent unless nvidia has a surprise/upset either way

 

wait, after Ryzen 3000? there's 7nm+ on that (Zen 3 Ryzen 4000), so other than (i'm guessing) better power efficiency there's not much known.

 

Intel's side there's rumours of a core count increase (10-core i9 on regular desktop), but since they're still stuck on 14nm i wouldn't expect any miracles outside of multicore

 

no idea. you can probably hit up camelcamelcamel or PCPartPicker to see the price history of existing or previous parts, but other than that it's just speculation. wouldn't hurt to think it'll be more expensive, since it's a progressing piece anyway, but if it doesn't then at least there's that surprise. 

 

AMD and Intel probably targets specific months, but their schedule isn't made public on Google Calendar.

 

the only known timeframe is AMD's HEDT stuff this coming november, other than that there hasn't been whispers of anything at all

 

get the part you need now, unless you can afford to wait it out (although if you're wanting to wait an entire year, you're overthinking this). a month (or two) is fine to wait it out, but as of now there aren't dates for whatever you're looking at.

 

the day your PC goes obsolete is the day you buy it. i say this as an owner of a 6800K. it's trampled on by any R5 from AMD, but on its own it's still usable. it's still great for editing and having multiple programs in the background. it's lacking in rendering, so my next upgrade is targeting that (and november isn't far away. i won't be getting it that soon though). if you're comparing your stuff to the bleeding edge you'll never be satisfied.

 

for what it's worth, the X299 slashing shouldn't be happening anytime soon again.

Sorry  ut didn't get this part "the xx80 should be slated to launch in 2020" what do you mean by slated?.

[Weedflu]

25 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

 

in easier terms its around 25% faster than current navi cards.

(flops is a good measure for performance within the same architecture but doesn't always correlate 100% with gaming performance, as it represents max math processing power and ignores all possible inefficiencies )

I get the idea that Nvidia has a thing for 80' cards, i only know 680 that i had was good, then 1080ti really good if not their best card ever? And now 2080ti is good but i guess could have been a little bit better? Im not sure if u know the history of the nvidia cards but do they usually release the 90xx 10xx 20's the same year? If so that means it would take a long time for let's say 3080ti to be here, I might aswell go for 2080ti as soon I see a price drop 

[samcool55]

46 minutes ago, Weedflu said:

Yea I mean with abit of common sense, a company or person doing something new for the first time, i don't expect Intel doing a super amazing GPU for their first release, i meen it's possible but very unlikely, my best guess is that it will be like a flop and mabey in the future they might do amazing with some more experience.

Thing is, it's not their first GPU, they have been selling iGPU's for decades (low-power and low performance) and they have been somewhat ok. I mean their first and only dGPU was 2 decades ago, Intel has been in the GPU market for a LONG time, but just basic simple stuff so who knows what they can pull off.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/i740.c1288

Also, saying it's going to be a flop is a reasonable guess, but how much of a flop? Like barely reaching RX 580 speeds or similar like AMD right now? (5700XT level) Or maybe 2080 level, nobody knows what their aim is. Also price and thermals will all matter to know which position it will get in the market. And they did snipe some awesome people from AMD and Nvidia so who knows what the effect of that will be.

[Weedflu]

3 minutes ago, samcool55 said:

Thing is, it's not their first GPU, they have been selling iGPU's for decades (low-power and low performance) and they have been somewhat ok. I mean their first and only dGPU was 2 decades ago, Intel has been in the GPU market for a LONG time, but just basic simple stuff so who knows what they can pull off.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/i740.c1288

Also, saying it's going to be a flop is a reasonable guess, but how much of a flop? Like barely reaching RX 580 speeds or similar like AMD right now? (5700XT level) Or maybe 2080 level, nobody knows what their aim is. Also price and thermals will all matter to know which position it will get in the market. And they did snipe some awesome people from AMD and Nvidia so who knows what the effect of that will be.

Oh, well i decided i will let 2019 run out and keep my eyes open in 2020, and if i see late releases then i just buy i9 or R9, just not sure which one i will get, i will mostly do gaming, and at the end of the day i know both CPU's will work for good for the next 5 to 10 years before i will upgrade again, and mabey go for 2080ti and just ride that out untill ye it stops working with what I do, the problem I have is that if i buy something i might say to myself why didn't i pick the other one i mean before it was obvious to me that I pick Intel, due they were the one most people had Amd was not on the map, but now it feels like 50/50

[LeSheen]

15 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

no info on Intel's GPU

Not completely true I thought they tweeted they will have raytracing. However they didn't tell if it would be software or hardware accelerated.

But that's about all that's known about it.

[Weedflu]

1 hour ago, LeSheen said:

Not completely true I thought they tweeted they will have raytracing. However they didn't tell if it would be software or hardware accelerated.

But that's about all that's known about it.

Didn't they say 3950x would come out in September?

[LeSheen]

15 minutes ago, Weedflu said:

Didn't they say 3950x would come out in September?

What does that have to do with the intel GPU? I think you got some posts mixed up.

[Jurrunio]

39 minutes ago, Weedflu said:

Didn't they say 3950x would come out in September?

that got pushed back, both because of yield issues (not enough full 8-core working dies) and lack of competition (Cascade-Lake-X still cost more for the same core count)

 

2 hours ago, LeSheen said:

Not completely true I thought they tweeted they will have raytracing. However they didn't tell if it would be software or hardware accelerated.

But that's about all that's known about it.

All GPUs that support DX12 are supposed to run raytracing, at least with software method and are terribly slow.