Upgrade from i5 7600k to R3600 or i5 9600kf / Wait for 10th gen??

[Rijsberman]

Hi there!

 

I am kinda stuck. I currently have an i5 7600k plus a GTX 1080 TI, but I play fortnite competitively. Sadly fortnite relies on CPU a LOT. My friend with only a ryzen 3600 is destroying me and a friend since we have i5 7600k's.

 

Now I am inbetween buying a ryzen 3600 or I5 9600KF. Both would run me the same here in NL, motherboards and CPU will be same total price. I use it 95% of the time for gaming. I do already have a BeQuiet Pure Rock, so no need to buy a new cooler, I can just go 5GHZ with this one. In benchmarks I see the i5 performing like 8-10% better on OC, however I am wondering if the extra threads on ryzen matter for gaming??

 

Next june I will probably upgrade to the new gen ryzen AND a new GPU if there is a strong new alternative. I also think that maybe the I5 9600kf would hold his value better when trying to resell?

 

Should I wait for Intel 10th gen desktop CPU's?? They should be announced AND released somewhere the coming like 2 months?????? Anyone?:(

 

[Oalei]

i would go for ryzen because why would i want a F CPU on intel only for a 8-10% when i can get a 5 3600 and have better performance in everything else (maybe not for some cases).

[Streetguru]

14 minutes ago, Rijsberman said:

My friend with only a ryzen 3600 is destroying me and a friend since we have i5 7600k's.

Unless your frame rate is very unstable and stutters and stuff I don't think it's the CPU....

 

Otherwise Intel would be a bit faster, but if you do streaming or something the R5 3600 is really hard to beat.

If you get fast memory on Ryzen like 3200mhz CL 14-CL16 or 3600mhz CL16 you might get a decent boost depending on the game.

but please don't tell me you have a 1080ti for only a 1080p 144hz display...

 

 

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

23 minutes ago, Rijsberman said:

Now I am inbetween buying a ryzen 3600 or I5 9600KF.

another intel i5 ? you can only expect it running 2~3 gens and being same situation as you right now

[Rijsberman]

4 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Unless your frame rate is very unstable and stutters and stuff I don't think it's the CPU....

 

Otherwise Intel would be a bit faster, but if you do streaming or something the R5 3600 is really hard to beat.

If you get fast memory on Ryzen like 3200mhz CL 14-CL16 or 3600mhz CL16 you might get a decent boost depending on the game.

but please don't tell me you have a 1080ti for only a 1080p 144hz display...

 

 

The Ram i'm using is: G.Skill Aegis F4-3000C16D-16GISB , I was not too informed on RAM when I bought that, I thought all the 3000mhz would be the same. But upgrading that one to 3200mhz I don't find it worth. Then it would be smarter going for ryzen 7 or i7, but I don't want that yet.

Yeah it stutters a lot sadly, I run like 270 fps max, the lows are on like 100 ish and some drops I can see in the counter to 60-90. I was using the ti for 1440p 144hz, then I switched to 1080p 240hz when I was doing well in competitive. Now I sold the 240hz and I am waiting for an LG27GL850   Also got my PC hooked up to my 4k 55inch oled when I play some casual controller games here and there.

 

What would you say about that Ram? Currently at work I'll try to watch the vid inbetween. One thing I did see btw with Intel is that the 0.1% lows can be worse than having a ryzen, but with the ryzen you do trade in some overall performance. Also seen on gamer nexus, that frame consistency benchmark

[Rijsberman]

1 minute ago, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

another intel i5 ? you can only expect it running 2~3 gens and being same situation as you right now

Yeah but probably in june I will get a ryzen 4000 series, I need it now for the coming 8 months + so that my fortnite is optimal since I play it a lot and also earn money with it. (or Intel 10th gen if that comes out soon /// if that 10nm performance will be dope. Depends fully on the ryzen vs intel battle

[porina]

24 minutes ago, Rijsberman said:

Now I am inbetween buying a ryzen 3600 or I5 9600KF. Both would run me the same here in NL, motherboards and CPU will be same total price. I use it 95% of the time for gaming. I do already have a BeQuiet Pure Rock, so no need to buy a new cooler, I can just go 5GHZ with this one. In benchmarks I see the i5 performing like 8-10% better on OC, however I am wondering if the extra threads on ryzen matter for gaming??

It depends on the game. Here you have to make a choice, do you want something balanced overall, or something that might be more optimised for fortnite? I'd suggest looking at fortnite specific benchmarks if that is what's more important to you.

 

Also, are you sure it is the performance of the game on hardware? Maybe your other friend is just a lot better? 

 

24 minutes ago, Rijsberman said:

Should I wait for Intel 10th gen desktop CPU's?? They should be announced AND released somewhere the coming like 2 months?????? Anyone?:(

Not that I followed it, but all seems pretty quiet on the Intel side. If they do release anything it'll not be that different from what's available now as their 10nm is prioritised for mobile and server.

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, Rijsberman said:

The Ram i'm using is: G.Skill Aegis F4-3000C16D-16GISB , I was not too informed on RAM when I bought that, I thought all the 3000mhz would

Both platforms will benifit from faster memory, you can try overclocking your RAM sometime, just don't go too far past like 1.4V, 3000mhz is plenty though

Do you do streaming on top of playing it competitively? If not you should probably start.

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

Just now, Rijsberman said:

Depends fully on the ryzen vs intel battle

the thing is intel dropped hyperthreading even on 9th gen i7, I dont know what you could expect on the new mid range cpus

[191x7]

How about a used 7700K?

[Rijsberman]

1 minute ago, porina said:

It depends on the game. Here you have to make a choice, do you want something balanced overall, or something that might be more optimised for fortnite? I'd suggest looking at fortnite specific benchmarks if that is what's more important to you.

I could not really find proper 1440p low settings competitive fortnite benchmarks sadly, but from what I found the intel outperforms (On 5ghz OC, without OC it is the same performance) 

 

2 minutes ago, porina said:

Also, are you sure it is the performance of the game on hardware? Maybe your other friend is just a lot better? 

Haha yeah I am very sure, the situation started a few days ago, I made him a 3600 + 5700XT build like a month ago. Our other friend has a gtx 1070 with an i5 7600k on 1440p, I was currently on 1080p with the 1080ti and i5, the ryzen friend is on 1440p too. He was outperforming both of our fps by like a 50-70% margin. I am the one who plays competitively so we were just discussing ingame fps counters and we got destroyed by him

 

3 minutes ago, porina said:

Not that I followed it, but all seems pretty quiet on the Intel side. If they do release anything it'll not be that different from what's available now as their 10nm is prioritised for mobile and server.

Yeha VERY curious if it will happen, but it would fall in the release schedule tho. No refresh seems unlogical after amd's moves

[Rijsberman]

1 minute ago, 191x7 said:

How about a used 7700K?

I checked benchmarks and the 8th/9th gen i5's outperform the 7700k sadly, specifically a lot in Fortnite. The used market here is SHIT too  everything is gone in a second

[Stormseeker9]

Considering a 3600 can perform on par with a 8700; go ryzen 

[Rijsberman]

1 minute ago, Stormseeker9 said:

Considering a 3600 can perform on par with a 8700; go ryzen 

I have the cooler to OC the 9600kf to 5ghz and outperform the 3600 by 8-10% ish tho

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, Rijsberman said:

I have the cooler to OC the 9600kf to 5ghz and outperform the 3600 by 8-10% ish tho

I wouldn't give up the huge advantage in multi-threaded workloads just for a bit higher than 200+fps

Also more threads may let you have higher 1% and .1% lows.
 

 

[porina]

9 minutes ago, Rijsberman said:

Yeha VERY curious if it will happen, but it would fall in the release schedule tho. No refresh seems unlogical after amd's moves

To clarify, I wasn't saying they wont release anything, but more that they don't have anything radically new to offer. There are rumours about a 10 core consumer part but otherwise the rest of the range is likely another re-re-refresh and not really different from what you can buy now.

[Rijsberman]

HMM And what do you guys think I should do Mobo-wise if I get the ryzen 3600? Good thing is I can just mount my pure rock on it so the cooler is at least ready. 

 

I was googling on if ryzen 4000 will have the same socket but couldn't really find a good answer. IF the mobo of this gen will be compatible with 4000 then I can just keep the Mobo in and go for an EASY upgrade coming june? 

 

I guess the gigabyte's 450's a re a good series for a budget, however the micro atx are all way cheaper and im wondering If I can just go with a micro. Anyone with good advice on this?

[Rijsberman]

https://www.megekko.nl/product/4286/239536/AMD-Socket-AM4-Moederborden/Asrock-Fatal1ty-B450-Gaming-K4-moederbord

 

https://www.megekko.nl/product/4286/237341/AMD-Socket-AM4-Moederborden/Asrock-B450-PRO4-moederbord

 

Those two I found but I see at least one has 2933 mhz listed for RAM and not 3000, not sure if that will be a problem

[Rijsberman]

55 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

I wouldn't give up the huge advantage in multi-threaded workloads just for a bit higher than 200+fps

That was one of my concens too, dropping threads. You seem experienced with those 20k posts, will a 3 year old pure rock give any problems using it  on the ryzen 3600? I don't think fans need driver or smt but I have no experience in this matter

[porina]

26 minutes ago, Rijsberman said:

I was googling on if ryzen 4000 will have the same socket but couldn't really find a good answer. IF the mobo of this gen will be compatible with 4000 then I can just keep the Mobo in and go for an EASY upgrade coming june? 

If it is DDR4 they will stick with AM4 again. If they move to DDR5 it will mean a change is required. Don't know how far along DDR5 is before hitting consumer use.

 

21 minutes ago, Rijsberman said:

Those two I found but I see at least one has 2933 mhz listed for RAM and not 3000, not sure if that will be a problem

B450 mobos were made when CPU supported ram speeds were lower. Chances are it'll be ok anyway. I've run 3600+ ram on my B450 and X370 boards and Zen 2 CPUs, with recent bios. The only concern is if the board as sold has a new enough bios to support the new CPUs, if not that will be more work to get around.

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, Rijsberman said:

That was one of my concens too, dropping threads. You seem experienced with those 20k posts, will a 3 year old pure rock give any problems

Long as the  cooler has an AM4 bracket, or they send you an AM4 bracket it'll be fine.

It might even just reuse the AM3+ bracket if it's the kind that clips onto the plastic around the CPU socket like AMD's stock coolers.

[Stormseeker9]

1 hour ago, Rijsberman said:

I have the cooler to OC the 9600kf to 5ghz and outperform the 3600 by 8-10% ish tho

9600kf is pointless.

especially having ryzen currently. 

[Rijsberman]

6 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Long as the  cooler has an AM4 bracket, or they send you an AM4 bracket it'll be fine.

I just found out that Pure rock and Pure rock slim are compatible, ALL the other ones like the dark rocks are not. So I don't need to get an extra bracket. That is very nice  

 

10 minutes ago, porina said:

B450 mobos were made when CPU supported ram speeds were lower. Chances are it'll be ok anyway. I've run 3600+ ram on my B450 and X370 boards and Zen 2 CPUs, with recent bios. The only concern is if the board as sold has a new enough bios to support the new CPUs, if not that will be more work to get around.

Hm so I should send a message to the webshop asking if it has the newest bios? Is there maybe a MOBO that is maybe 10-15 eu more expensive but has the right bios?

[Rijsberman]

1 minute ago, Stormseeker9 said:

especially having ryzen currently. 

I dont have ryzen currently?

[porina]

3 minutes ago, Rijsberman said:

Hm so I should send a message to the webshop asking if it has the newest bios? Is there maybe a MOBO that is maybe 10-15 eu more expensive but has the right bios?

What mobo did you use in your friends 3600 build?

 

I don't know what's a good way to manage this risk. Some mobos allow you to flash without booting normally so picking one of those might be safer. In my case, I already had previous generation CPU on hand so I could use those to update normally. Check if AMD still do the book kit thing (they send you old CPU to use for update, then you send it back) but it would be additional time and effort to get running if you went that route.