Which processor to buy?

[Mitjaba]

Hello!

I'm a newbie when it comes to building a pc. I recently built a new pc still keeping my oldp processor and motherboard. 

Now I'm buying a new motherboard and and the processor. 

My pc components for now:

-A shitty gigabyte motherboard

-Intel core i5 6400

-Rx590

-Furyx 16gb 2400

-Kingstom value ram 4gb 2400 

-Samsung evo 860 ssd 

-Kingston 240gb ssd just for running windows

-Toshiba hdd 1tb

-Cooler master masterwatt 650w

 

I want to game at 1080p max settings if possible. Now I'm getting around 40fps in Assassin's Creed odyssey. My processor is working on 100% and my gpu on around 45%.

 

I have a budget of around 200-250 dollars for a new processor and a maximum of 100 for the motherboard.

 

I was thinking: ryzen 5 3600 or ryzen 7 2700x or intel core i5 9400f. I'm not sure if switching to intel is a smart idea because of my "slow" ram. I would happily switch, don't get me wrong, but I'm not sure how the ram speed would affect performance.

I'm open to any suggestion about a processor. Any other ideas? Recommendations? Advice? Please!

 

Btw as i've mentioned I'm a noob and I'm not sure if I would know how to manualy adjust all the ram setting etc. Please keep that in mind. 

 

Thank you! :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TensorVortex]

it's a difficult requirement, 1080p at max, my 2080TI couldn't do it on some games.

 

What you need for improving ur gaming experience is a variable refresh rate gaming monitor.

[Brent744]

Intel actually runs better with slower RAM. To get the full benefits of Ryzen you'll want faster RAM (at least 3000mhz) however Intel has always run great even with slower memory.

I love Intel however, you cannot go wrong with the Ryzen 7 2700X at the moment as its currently selling at the same price as the 3600 with some retailers. The i5 9400f is a good choice too, but I believe the 2700X will keep your PC going for 8 years or so without having to worry about the cpu again.

[cried22]

25 minutes ago, Brent744 said:

Intel actually runs better with slower RAM. To get the full benefits of Ryzen you'll want faster RAM (at least 3000mhz) however Intel has always run great even with slower memory.

I love Intel however, you cannot go wrong with the Ryzen 7 2700X at the moment as its currently selling at the same price as the 3600 with some retailers. The i5 9400f is a good choice too, but I believe the 2700X will keep your PC going for 8 years or so without having to worry about the cpu again.

Lol any proof that Intel runs better with slower ram? Not true.

[Brent744]

 

10 hours ago, cried22 said:

Lol any proof that Intel runs better with slower ram? Not true.

I used to have a i5 7600k build with 2400mhz RAM and an R5 2600 build with 2400mhz RAM. In gaming the i5 7600k performed far better than the R5 2600. I eventually upgraded the R5 2600 RAM to 3200 after reading the benefits on various forms. After benching both again they seemed to be on the same level of performance. I have proof in the form of an excel spreadsheet somewhere on my home server. Just curious, what benchmarks have you completed?

[Columbo]

The 7600K is a flagship intel processor that is not outdated. If you were comparing a 4560 or an i3 to Ryzen 2600. That would be another story. Ryzen does better with faster ram. Intel does better with faster ram but doesn't need it. The improvement on the Ryzen side is greater because of their memory controller. A better comparison would be a Ryzen 3600 because Intel was still significantly ahead of Ryzen until Zen 2. Max benefit for Ryzen is 3600mhz because of memory dividers introducing memory latency. I think 3700mhz is technically the best you could theoretically do without memory dividers becoming an issue. 

[Princess Luna]

11 hours ago, cried22 said:

Lol any proof that Intel runs better with slower ram? Not true.

While memory is equally important to Intel and AMD, it is known that AMD *needs* it even more.

 

If OP does not want to buy new memory maybe the 9400F is the adequate choice, it also means he can buy a cheap b360 board... it should help a ton but won't be the most ideal solution.

 

Now a few things to note, the RX590 will indeed fail to max settings *every* game on 1080p even if you're targeting 60fps to my understanding and ideally OP should make a decent R5 3600 based build with a decent B450 motherboard and decent memory.

[Jimjamesjimothy8]

14 hours ago, TensorVortex said:

it's a difficult requirement, 1080p at max, my 2080TI couldn't do it on some games.

 

What you need for improving ur gaming experience is a variable refresh rate gaming monitor.

Your 2080ti couldn't max out 1080p? That card is meant for 4k on high/ultra settings.

[Mathieu9836]

If you have to buy another motherboard AND cpu i would grab a 3600 or 2700 over an Intel just because you will still be able to upgrade in the futur, i would keep the memory you have even if it's slow and buy new sticks when you can afford them. The RX590 can handle most game 1080p ultra at around 50-65 FPS, i have the RX580 and get around 45-50fps in Arma 3 which is very good for the view distance set to almost maximum. I also play Apex Legends and Pubg at about 70-90fps.

[TensorVortex]

4 hours ago, TrainFan2019 said:

Your 2080ti couldn't max out 1080p? That card is meant for 4k on high/ultra settings.

no it cannot, why are you surprised?

[Kilrah]

3 minutes ago, TensorVortex said:

no it cannot, why are you surprised?

 

I don't think I've run into a game that didn't run well at 1080p ultra yet... on my 1070. So there must be something wrong with your setup. Or strange games.

[TensorVortex]

5 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

 

I don't think I've run into a game that didn't run well at 1080p ultra yet... on my 1070. So there must be something wrong with your setup. Or strange games.

nothing is wrong. you turn everything to max on any AAA game nowadays is not going to give you more than 144fps on 2080ti.

[Jimjamesjimothy8]

5 hours ago, TensorVortex said:

nothing is wrong. you turn everything to max on any AAA game nowadays is not going to give you more than 144fps on 2080ti.

not 1080p though

[TensorVortex]

1 hour ago, TrainFan2019 said:

not 1080p though

1080p

[Zberg]

12 hours ago, TrainFan2019 said:

Your 2080ti couldn't max out 1080p? That card is meant for 4k on high/ultra settings.

 

7 hours ago, TensorVortex said:

no it cannot, why are you surprised?

Ya man I dunno if you got a bad one or are bottlenecked in your system, but that should not be the case except in rare exceptions.  My 2080ti gets 165 fps in many (definitely not all games, damn you control) games, and all but the most taxing AAA games (esp with RTX on) get very high frame rates...at 1440p.  1080p it would blow them all out of the water.  Hell my 2070 blows most games out of the water at 1080p.  

 

Either you got a bad card or something in your system is holding you back.  Cooling/ventilation, RAM, super slow CPU...something aint right there.

[BigRom]

On 10/3/2019 at 5:25 AM, TensorVortex said:

it's a difficult requirement, 1080p at max, my 2080TI couldn't do it on some games.

 

What you need for improving ur gaming experience is a variable refresh rate gaming monitor.

Impossible the 2080Ti struggles at 1080p, even my ancient GTX1060 is more than capable of delivering at 1080p gaming (180-200 pfs for e-sports titles, 60-100 fps for games like FIFA/NBA on highest settings)

 

Something is wrong with that card if it can't do 1080p

[TensorVortex]

46 minutes ago, BigRom said:

Impossible the 2080Ti struggles at 1080p, even my ancient GTX1060 is more than capable of delivering at 1080p gaming (180-200 pfs for e-sports titles, 60-100 fps for games like FIFA/NBA on highest settings)

 

Something is wrong with that card if it can't do 1080p

fifa nba does not count as modern AAA title from graphic point of view. Check out any graphic card review and you will see what frame rate they get for these cards. And they don't usually use fifa coz it gets too high frame rate it doesn't differentiate high end and low end cards. Check out shadow of the tomb raider etc. 

[BigRom]

1 minute ago, TensorVortex said:

fifa nba does not count as modern AAA title from graphic point of view. Check out any graphic card review and you will see what frame rate they get for these cards. And they don't usually use fifa coz it gets too high frame rate it doesn't differentiate high end and low end cards. Check out shadow of the tomb raider etc. 

The games isn't the point, the point is that at 1080p resolution even budget cards like RX570 would be more than capable unless you want to go for uber-high refresh rates like 240Hz in which case you're more likely to be limited by the CPU anyway

 

The 2080Ti is a card meant for 4k or high frame rate 1440p gaming. 1080p is child's play for it. Even SOTTR @ 1080p it should be getting north of 100fps and close to 144

[dizmo]

I'd probably see if you can sell your RAM and pick up something faster, and go with the Ryzen choice. If you're mostly gaming go with the 3600, if you do video work, then the 2700x. Max settings is a little lofty for a goal, there's a lot of high end cards that can't even accomplish that.

 

Welcome to the forum.

 

13 hours ago, Mathieu9836 said:

If you have to buy another motherboard AND cpu i would grab a 3600 or 2700 over an Intel just because you will still be able to upgrade in the futur, i would keep the memory you have even if it's slow and buy new sticks when you can afford them. The RX590 can handle most game 1080p ultra at around 50-65 FPS, i have the RX580 and get around 45-50fps in Arma 3 which is very good for the view distance set to almost maximum. I also play Apex Legends and Pubg at about 70-90fps.

Well, not necessarily. I think this is the last year that AMD is going to use this socket, so really, you'd have similar upgrades if you went with the Intel chip.

41 minutes ago, BigRom said:

The games isn't the point, the point is that at 1080p resolution even budget cards like RX570 would be more than capable unless you want to go for uber-high refresh rates like 240Hz in which case you're more likely to be limited by the CPU anyway

 

The 2080Ti is a card meant for 4k or high frame rate 1440p gaming. 1080p is child's play for it. Even SOTTR @ 1080p it should be getting north of 100fps and close to 144

The games is exactly the point; some games are easy to run, others aren't. You saying you can get high frame rates on games that could run on a potato doesn't really matter. There are, indeed, games that won't reach 144hz when you max the settings out, regardless of what card you have.

For example:

• Deus Ex Mankind Divided
• Total War: Warhammer 2
• Assassin's Creed Origins