ryzen 3 3200 gpu ?

[Brown_Hammer]

i just bought the 3 3200g and 8 gb ram 3000hz will get an other one for the dual channel but i'm just wondering would the 1660 ti will be enough to run games at high graphics without fps drops ? ( apex , AC Ode ) ,, i'm just aiming at stability . like i do hate when fps gets dropped from 60 to 45 for example. 

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

3 minutes ago, Brown_Hammer said:

i just bought the 3 3200g and 8 gb ram 3000hz will get an other one for the dual channel but i'm just wondering would the 1660 ti will be enough to run games at high graphics without fps drops ? ( apex , AC Ode ) ,, i'm just aiming at stability . like i do hate when fps gets dropped from 60 to 45 for example. 

no no &no

why would you buy a apu and get a gpu at first place?

1x 8gb ram ... just bad

every game has frame drop!

 

btw 1660ti is fine at 1080p 60+ stable fps

[boey]

If you're experiencing the FPS drop from 60-45 with your 3200g, then getting another 8gb 3000mhz ram, and overclocking/reducing timings will probably reduce that frame drop quite a bit. With an APU, both your GPU and CPU have to share memory bandwidth from the DDR4, and going for only 1x8GB pretty much starves both of memory bandwidth. Not a good idea.

 

Basically, prioritize another stick of RAM because even with 1660Ti, you will see frame stutter on 1x8GB ram.

[WoodyWoo]

21 minutes ago, Brown_Hammer said:

i just bought the 3 3200g and 8 gb ram 3000hz will get an other one for the dual channel but i'm just wondering would the 1660 ti will be enough to run games at high graphics without fps drops ? ( apex , AC Ode ) ,, i'm just aiming at stability . like i do hate when fps gets dropped from 60 to 45 for example. 

An APU especially 3rd gen ryzen will be a fine performer with setting set to medium low 1080p setting. dont buy a 1660ti buy more ram and faster ram,l its a much better investment. I would recommend the G.Skill Sniper X 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory, its a good choice and would also be better if you upgrade from an APU to A CPU and GPU. also games like Apex dont really need high graphics to play better.

[mariushm]

The performance of the integrated graphics will really be affected by running in single channel.

You'll get about 2x the fps in SOME games with dual channel ram, and usually around 10-20% extra performance in pretty much everything

 

If you're trying to save some money, maybe look for a RX 580 used or even new, for 1080p it should be fine

[Brown_Hammer]

thank u guys. appreciated

[Mathieu9836]

Apex is very CPU dependant, get a faster kit of 3600mhz 2x8gb kit, my 2400G liked fast memory. You can always buy a dedicated GPU later it's worth the money and the CPU won't bottleneck a 1660ti and maybe not a 2060. FYI I'm running a 2700 and an RX 580, i play a lot Apex legends these day and get a static 60fps at 1080 Ultra settings.

[Princess Luna]

Buying a Ryzen 3 3200G which is Zen+ (2000 series) to then pair it with a GTX 1660 Ti really is a pretty awful decision along side using single channel memory in 2019.

[Mathieu9836]

2 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

Buying a Ryzen 3 3200G which is Zen+ (2000 series) to then pair it with a GTX 1660 Ti really is a pretty awful decision along side using single channel memory in 2019.

But why? When you don't have the money to build a PC with a dedicated GPU you have the option to build it with an APU, and then later buy a GPU. Single channel memory is a bad idea tho...

[mariushm]

For one thing, the processor is manufactured in the 12nm process, not the newest 7nm process the Ryzen 3rd generation cpus  are made with.

It's Zen+, not Zen 2 , so it may not overclock as well as the other Ryzen 3rd generation series and doesn't support as high memory frequencies.

The integrated graphics is always using 8 pci-e lanes, so the processor exposes only 8 pci-e lanes to the first pci-e slot in your computer. So, even though it's a pci-e x16 slot, you only have 8 pci-e lanes.

For most video cards, there's very little performance drop by running the video card in pci-e x8 mode instead of pci-e x16 but nevertheless there is some very tiny performance loss.

 

You can buy pci-e video cards from eBay or other places for under 10$ ... if you really don't have the budget you can get something temporary

As an example, here's a 6$ (plus shipping) nVidia Quadro NVS295 with 2 displayport connectors : https://www.ebay.com/itm/nVidia-Quadro-NVS295-256MB-GDDR3-PCIe-x16-FH-VCQ295NVS-X16/401732148333

 

Or 5$ (plus shipping, and you'd need a 2-3$ DMS59->2xDVI adapter cable) AMD HD 6350: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Scheda-Grafica-AMD-Radeon-HD-6350-Pcie-x16-512MB-DMS-59-Volle-Altezza-637995-001/392430955171

 

[Brown_Hammer]

17 hours ago, Mathieu9836 said:

But why? When you don't have the money to build a PC with a dedicated GPU you have the option to build it with an APU, and then later buy a GPU. Single channel memory is a bad idea tho...

that was my point thx mate and ya i'll get an other 8 gb ram soon 

[vinhle158]

On 9/25/2019 at 3:34 PM, Brown_Hammer said:

i just bought the 3 3200g and 8 gb ram 3000hz will get an other one for the dual channel but i'm just wondering would the 1660 ti will be enough to run games at high graphics without fps drops ? ( apex , AC Ode ) ,, i'm just aiming at stability . like i do hate when fps gets dropped from 60 to 45 for example. 

my Cybergame Cafe work with i7 4790 - 16gb ddr3 - gtx 1060gb and run hardcore game PUBG with 100fps config High Setting 1080p

i think so your system perfectly for apex legend,over watch... but ryzen about balance not good so than intel cpu...

[Mathieu9836]

2 hours ago, Brown_Hammer said:

that was my point thx mate and ya i'll get an other 8 gb ram soon 

You loose a lot of performance with only 1 stick of 8gb RAM, your average FPS will increase a fair amount on dual channel with 3000 or 3200mhz with decent timings. Try to set VSOC to around 1.1v-1.15v a see how the GPU can be overclocked, i was able to run my 2400G to 1500mhz which was a very good improvement over stock and the CPU to a static 3.9ghz. I was getting around 40-60fps depending games with low to medium settings.

[BTGbullseye]

1 hour ago, Mathieu9836 said:

You loose a lot of performance with only 1 stick of 8gb RAM, your average FPS will increase a fair amount on dual channel with 3000 or 3200mhz with decent timings. Try to set VSOC to around 1.1v-1.15v a see how the GPU can be overclocked, i was able to run my 2400G to 1500mhz which was a very good improvement over stock and the CPU to a static 3.9ghz. I was getting around 40-60fps depending games with low to medium settings.

DO NOT USE 2400g VOLTAGES WITH THE 3000 CHIPS!!! ESPECIALLY NOT THE 3200g!!! (Also, I got my 2400g Vega 11 up to 1625MHz, along with 4 core OC to 4.1GHz)

[Mathieu9836]

1.15 volts on SOC is within safe zone..... CPU clockspeed is always different from board to board and cpu to cpu, i got the same 2400G running at 3.9ghz stable on a DS3H with 1.45volts and i was able to run it on a 4.1ghz on a Crosshair VII with 1.35 volts with cooler temps. I'm not sure but the 3200G and the 2200G are pretty much the same chip with higher baseclock.

Edit: many people run their 3400G and 3200G with the same VSOC  and CPU voltage then the 2400G and 2200G with great success.

[BTGbullseye]

11 minutes ago, Mathieu9836 said:

Edit: many people run their 3400G and 3200G with the same VSOC  and CPU voltage then the 2400G and 2200G with great success.

Yeah, and they're going to burn up their chips at those voltages, and possibly the VRMs too if they're not careful. It may take a few months, but it'll happen.

[Mathieu9836]

Curious to know how you burn VRMs with a 4 core chip and how you burn a chip within safe voltage

[BTGbullseye]

5 minutes ago, Mathieu9836 said:

Curious to know how you burn VRMs with a 4 core chip and how you burn a chip within safe voltage

Just set a 3000 series chip to those voltages and overclocking as mentioned, and you'll get it on some of the low-mid, and all of the low tier boards.

[Mathieu9836]

2 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

Just set a 3000 series chip to those voltages and overclocking as mentioned, and you'll get it on some of the low-mid, and all of the low tier boards.

We are talking about a 4 core chip, not a 3950X. There is no way on earth that you will fry even the lowest end VRM (Gigabyte B450\X470 VRMs) with a 2200G\2400G\3200G or a 3400G, those are 4 cores CPUs with a 65W TDP. Even a B450 DS3H can handle them just fine with minimal air flow. 75% of so called mid range boards have VRMs just decent enough for a stock 3700X and yet nobody complain about their dead boards.

[BTGbullseye]

17 hours ago, Mathieu9836 said:

We are talking about a 4 core chip, not a 3950X. There is no way on earth that you will fry even the lowest end VRM (Gigabyte B450\X470 VRMs) with a 2200G\2400G\3200G or a 3400G, those are 4 cores CPUs with a 65W TDP. Even a B450 DS3H can handle them just fine with minimal air flow. 75% of so called mid range boards have VRMs just decent enough for a stock 3700X and yet nobody complain about their dead boards.

Dude, just trying to overclock any 3000 series on a low tier board will overload the VRMs...

[Mathieu9836]

You should explain why then because i'm very curous about the answer.... do you even know that the VRM does.

[BTGbullseye]

Because low tier motherboards have low tier VRMs or VRM cooling... And when that happens, putting too much stress on the VRMs can burn them out.

 

Do I need to link you to a course on thermodynamics, or can you understand how this happens without that?

[Godkidd]

On 9/25/2019 at 4:43 PM, boey said:

If you're experiencing the FPS drop from 60-45 with your 3200g, then getting another 8gb 3000mhz ram, and overclocking/reducing timings will probably reduce that frame drop quite a bit. With an APU, both your GPU and CPU have to share memory bandwidth from the DDR4, and going for only 1x8GB pretty much starves both of memory bandwidth. Not a good idea.

 

Basically, prioritize another stick of RAM because even with 1660Ti, you will see frame stutter on 1x8GB ram.

I have ryzen 3200g and 8 gb ram. What would you guys recommend?

Buy a graphics card?

Or Just buy another stick of 8 gb ram for dual channeling and over clock apu and ram?without graphics card for higher fps. Thank you

[BTGbullseye]

13 minutes ago, Godkidd said:

I have ryzen 3200g and 8 gb ram. What would you guys recommend?

Buy a graphics card?

Or Just buy another stick of 8 gb ram for dual channeling and over clock apu and ram?without graphics card for higher fps. Thank you

I would suggest both. Dual channel RAM improves framerates by as much as 15%, and that's on a dedicated GPU... WAY more if you're using integrated.

 

Any dedicated GPU from the last 4 years will have massively better performance, though there is no need to upgrade the CPU itself at this point. (it's a very decent CPU, despite the elitists that will tell you otherwise)

[Godkidd]

I would also go for both definitely but Im low on budget now ang gpu cost more