M.2 SSD or Conventional SSD question.

[Tieox]

HI all.

 

I am after another SSD for rapid storage, problem is my 2 SSD slots in my NZXT 340 are full and I would prefer to keep using this case, the 2 3.5inch bays are both full too.  

 

I am pondering whether to get a normal non NVMe SSD M.2 drive (capacity 1TB) which would fit into my H170 Pro Gaming motherboard, or perhaps a conventional SSD and doing a Linus and taping it to the back of the motherboard tray?

 

Thoughts on if that is a bad idea or not?

[minibois]

You can surely tape it somewhere, SSD's don't have moving parts so can't hurt anything.

Otherwise, an M.2 SSD comes in two varieties:

- (Fast) NVME/PCIE SSD

- (Normal speed) SATA SSD

 

If you still want similar specs/prices are a 2.5" drive, you can go for the M.2 SATA variety drives.

[Mateyyy]

I really don't think there's any reason why you shouldn't go with an M2, but I'd go for an NVMe drive, unless you find a SATA one for that much cheaper.

[berberries]

yes if you can get an M.2 sata drive for much cheaper than a m.2 NVMe drive, go ahead with the sata. if the price difference is really small might as well get the NVMe as it is much faster. If you can find a conventional 2.5" ssd for much cheaper go for it. you can just tape it somewhere in your case or actually since ssds dont have any moving parts you can just let it sit at the bottom of a case or rest on a bundle of cables.

[Tieox]

Sounds solid, I don't have the use case for NVMe plus their is talk online about heat issues? spotted a cheap used m.2 SSD in a store with a solid warranty near where I live so will be getting it shortly  

 

Thanks all.

[Kenjo]

6 hours ago, Kierax said:

Sounds solid, I don't have the use case for NVMe plus their is talk online about heat issues? spotted a cheap used m.2 SSD in a store with a solid warranty near where I live so will be getting it shortly  

 

Thanks all.

There is only a "heat issue" if your airflow is poor, the "new" Kingston A2000 series is almost on par with a Sata ssd when it comes to price... paid 1390:- (sek, swedish currency) for mine. and the speeds are 2200 read 2000 write mb/s that is .. compared to a sata ssd that is almost 3 x the speed since normal sata ssd is around 550-600mb/s. 

If you have populated your m.2 slot you can always buy a pci-e adapter card, Asus has one for around 300-400 sek that can hold 4 x m.2 nvme drives

[Tieox]

On 9/12/2019 at 6:16 AM, Kenjo said:

There is only a "heat issue" if your airflow is poor, the "new" Kingston A2000 series is almost on par with a Sata ssd when it comes to price... paid 1390:- (sek, swedish currency) for mine. and the speeds are 2200 read 2000 write mb/s that is .. compared to a sata ssd that is almost 3 x the speed since normal sata ssd is around 550-600mb/s. 

If you have populated your m.2 slot you can always buy a pci-e adapter card, Asus has one for around 300-400 sek that can hold 4 x m.2 nvme drives

My internal thermals are decent enough just concerns from reviewers on YouTube about installing heatsinks on NVMe drives.  

[hello_there_123]

On 9/12/2019 at 1:16 AM, Kenjo said:

and the speeds are 2200 read 2000 write mb/s that is .. compared to a sata ssd that is almost 3 x the speed since normal sata ssd is around 550-600mb/s. 

Don't base speeds off the manufacturer's advertised r/w. They advertise peak sustained seq QD32, which nets the highest r/w but most consumers will never dream of doing that intensive of a workload. The most important consumer metric is 4k QD1 rand r/w. 

[Kenjo]

5 hours ago, hello_there_123 said:

Don't base speeds off the manufacturer's advertised r/w. They advertise peak sustained seq QD32, which nets the highest r/w but most consumers will never dream of doing that intensive of a workload. The most important consumer metric is 4k QD1 rand r/w. 

Yes but i should reach the same speeds in a quick test / long test or any test that they have performed , i know real world experience is different but if i cant achive the same test results then there is something wrong.... 

Your statement is abit like buying a car that is advertised to do 200mp/h but when you drive it , it only reaches 100mph  ... speed limit stops you from actually driving that fast on public roads but if you purchased it to drive on Nurnberg ring you should reach 200mph regardless.... ok bad comparison but i assume you understand what i mean... 

If you buy something that states X or Y it MUST achive X n Y in the same tests as the manufacturer advertises otherwise its a breach of advertisement laws/rules

To early in the morning 

 

[Kenjo]

9 hours ago, Kierax said:

My internal thermals are decent enough just concerns from reviewers on YouTube about installing heatsinks on NVMe drives.  

Yeah i know what your saying.. thats why when i tested the board out of the case i had a 90mm fan blowing directly onto the m.2 drive and still couldnt reach higher than 850-900mb/s yet windows reported pci-e gen 3 x4 but the actual speeds i achived was more like pcie gen 2 x2 at best

 

[hello_there_123]

9 hours ago, Kenjo said:

If you buy something that states X or Y it MUST achive X n Y in the same tests as the manufacturer advertises otherwise its a breach of advertisement laws/rules

Yes, the manufacturer measured PEAK SUSTAINED SEQ QD32 with probably BINNED NAND and/or controller. Most consumers only care about 4K QD1 rand r/w. That's where the E16 drives are much closer to the E12 drives than the manufacturer's rated r/w would suggest.

[hello_there_123]

9 hours ago, Kenjo said:

Yes but i should reach the same speeds in a quick test / long test or any test that they have performed , i know real world experience is different but if i cant achive the same test results then there is something wrong.... 

You're agreeing with me here. 

[Kenjo]

40 minutes ago, hello_there_123 said:

You're agreeing with me here. 

Yes i am and im talking about Benchmarks not real world.. if its rated to do 3500mb/s in Samsung Magician then i expect to achive that or atleast 3300Mb/s NOT 900mb/s ... and we are straying from the inital question of which board is the better / more reliable 

 

[Kenjo]

48 minutes ago, hello_there_123 said:

You're agreeing with me here. 

sorry im drunk on god knows what since i dont drink .. i was so sure you answered my thread about motherboards.... /leaving thread

 

[Tieox]

4 hours ago, Kenjo said:

sorry im drunk on god knows what since i dont drink .. i was so sure you answered my thread about motherboards.... /leaving thread

 

[Kenjo]

7 hours ago, Kierax said:

I know , i was so sure it was 1 of my posts about having slow speeds on my nvme drives  hopefully i havent offended anyone  

[Thready]

On 9/11/2019 at 1:18 PM, berwynhan said:

yes if you can get an M.2 sata drive for much cheaper than a m.2 NVMe drive, go ahead with the sata. if the price difference is really small might as well get the NVMe as it is much faster. If you can find a conventional 2.5" ssd for much cheaper go for it. you can just tape it somewhere in your case or actually since ssds dont have any moving parts you can just let it sit at the bottom of a case or rest on a bundle of cables.

I'm laughing because I have my dad's SSD sitting on the bottom of the case. 

 

OP I would go for capacity over speed. Get whichever gives you most capacity for the price. And if you have to go 2.5, then just tape it somewhere secure in the case.

[Tieox]

On 9/16/2019 at 2:37 PM, Thready said:

I'm laughing because I have my dad's SSD sitting on the bottom of the case. 

 

OP I would go for capacity over speed. Get whichever gives you most capacity for the price. And if you have to go 2.5, then just tape it somewhere secure in the case.

Interesting point, the m.2 I was going to buy was sold before I arrived, so nice when that happens after you phone ahead and get told it's put away for your arrival. 

 

Never-mind, but I am on the hunt for a cheap 1TB SSD, shopping in the UK if anyone has any suggestions it would be really appreciated.  Especially since one of my externals is ticking now and then so I am dumping it's data on my already limited capacity internal drives. 

[Thready]

3 hours ago, Kierax said:

Interesting point, the m.2 I was going to buy was sold before I arrived, so nice when that happens after you phone ahead and get told it's put away for your arrival. 

 

Never-mind, but I am on the hunt for a cheap 1TB SSD, shopping in the UK if anyone has any suggestions it would be really appreciated.  Especially since one of my externals is ticking now and then so I am dumping it's data on my already limited capacity internal drives. 

I mean, with regular everyday usage you will be fine with a SATA SSD. There aren't really many apps that take advantage of NVME speeds.

[Tieox]

I'm aiming towards getting another Samsung 850/860 just a 1TB variant.  And using 3M tape to put it behind the mobo tray.  Cheers all.