Laptops are dead

[ediscommon]

I HAD THIS THICK TEXT AND EFFFFF IT. GODAMIT. just pasting a LTT youtube link breaks all and even erases text. 

bullet points it is:
> less and less people using laptops (living in major city in central europe; except apple laptops, its hard to buy one)

> makers are dumping laptops and they don't even have enough marketplace to sell
> everyone underestimated the work you can do in a mobile phone
> Stuff like Stadia or even PS4 Remote Play are changing how you perceive handheld devices.

> makers do less and less laptops
> Can't wait to hook my mobile phone to a screen and etc and be just one "desk-top" PUN [android already do that; resurgence of ipads and stuff because they already have a screen????!!!!)

> PORTABLE LIGHTWEIGHT SCREENS
> The group of people that move around with a laptop is decreasing; except programmers buying thinkpads. 
 

 

AS i see it, laptops are dead, either for basic use or even gaming (when we talk in about the general use).
What we should push is really is Super SoCs. 

PS: i'm sorry for this badly made post but was trying to post a video from LTT and all i got was hell. I give up.

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, ediscommon said:

 

They also haven't improved design wise since the release of the X220 or T420 thinkpads.

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, Arika S said:

would love to know where these "stats" come from since they are all wrong

Most likely a combination of surface level observation and sensationalist articles.

 

Except for the gaming laptop part. IIRC, the gaming portion of the PC market is growing healthily, even though during the downward part of the market cycle.

[Euchre]

Plug a phone into a keyboard to replace your laptop or desktop? See the Motorola Atrix. No, they don't make those anymore. Nobody cared. Want to recreate the effect yourself? Put your phone in a charging easel (you can charge wirelessly, right), connect a keyboard via Bluetooth, and cast to a display. Go ahead, do it. You'll find it goes about as well as things did with the Atrix.

 

Now, there are some people that do this kind of thing, but it is pretty rare. Most people can't be bothered to do it, because it doesn't really give you the laptop or desktop experience, or because they don't feel a need to leave the all in the hand experience they already have.

 

I wanted to like the idea of the Atrix, and of 'docking' a smartphone to act as a laptop or even desktop replacement, but it just doesn't really suit. Maybe some day someone will find a way to make it work gracefully, but we're not there yet.

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, Euchre said:

 

Samsung Has Dex, and google will probably just build something like that into android at some point.

 

If we ever get phones that dual boot android and windows 10 ARM that'd be amazing.

As if you have a 90Wh battery pack in a laptop shell you can just hook your phone up to, you probably have a 30 hour screen on time device there.

[Drak3]

Just now, Streetguru said:

Samsung Has Dex

And it's nigh worthless on the S and Note phones.

 

So was Microsoft Continuum.

 

And Ubuntu Convergence.

[Euchre]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

if you have a 90Wh battery pack in a laptop shell you can just hook your phone up to, you probably have a 30 hour screen on time device there

Sure, because the screen is literally less than half the diagonal size of a normal laptop, let alone less than a third the diagonal size of a normal desktop screen.

[Streetguru]

Just now, Drak3 said:

And it's nigh worthless on the S and Note phones.

 

So was Microsoft Continuum.

 

And Ubuntu Convergence.

Well sure but that's because nothing has really been built around it, and it has some issues with some apps still only working in "mobile" mode.

If you could restart your phone and get a windows desktop instead of that it might be worth something.

[Streetguru]

Just now, Euchre said:

Sure, because the screen is literally less than half the diagonal size of a normal laptop, let alone less than a third the diagonal size of a normal desktop screen.

Uh, no like there some kickstarter for it.

 

But it's just a laptop that's powered by your phone basically, with it's own screen/keyboard/battery and probably an extended I/O.

 

You'd just hook up your phone via USB-C and use it as the processor.

[Drak3]

Just now, Streetguru said:

Well sure but that's because nothing has really been built around it

Not true. The amount of common apps that work in DeX is not trivial.

 

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

If you could restart your phone and get a windows desktop instead of that it might be worth something.

Then you'd have what is effectively an Atom system.

 

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

Uh, no like there some kickstarter for it.

 

But it's just a laptop that's powered by your phone basically, with it's own screen/keyboard/battery and probably an extended I/O.

 

You'd just hook up your phone via USB-C and use it as the processor.

There have been multiple that made it to market.

 

They failed. Hard.

 

 

Because the general populous doesn't care and enthusiasts lost interest after a week.

[Streetguru]

6 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

 

You basically need the software and support to catch up for them to be useful to people.

It would probably be most useful in the business world sold as a bundle to start, or for people who travel a lot, but don't need any real performance from their laptop.

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

1 hour ago, ediscommon said:

> Can't wait to hook my mobile phone to a screen and etc and be just one "desk-top" PUN [android already do that; resurgence of ipads and stuff because they already have a screen????!!!!)

That was done before. Remember Windows Continuum and people weren't interested at all. Laptops will still be relevant for people who need to get legitimate work done. If laptops were dead, it should've happened years ago when tablets caught on. 

[Fasauceome]

Would love to know where you got this info. Have seen mobile computing alive and well in the laptop form factor, with no huge pricing shift outside of tech advancements honestly (cheaper screens of good quality, more efficient devices for smaller battery and chassis needs, etc)

[dizmo]

For any serious work, it's going to be a very long time before phones take over. Not so much because of the technology behind them, but because of the people who are currently in power, who want things done a certain way, and don't want that to change. As soon as that generation is out of places of power, then we might see more work done on mobile devices like phones. That doesn't necessarily mean it's better, mind you, just different.

 

Dumping laptops? What exactly do you mean? That they're making tons of models and just throwing them out there hoping they'll sell?

You know, that's not how successful companies operate. I'm sure they've done their research, and the models they put out are there because there's demand for them. Might there be no demand in the city you live in? Sure, that's a possibility. However that doesn't mean the models don't sell well elsewhere. Think of it like a sweater. Sure, sweaters might not sell well in California. A naive Californian might even say "sweaters are useless! No one buys them." However they sell in truckloads in colder states.

 

You say there are fewer and fewer laptops, and yet I look at companies like Lenovo and their portfolio is as big as it's ever been.

You seem to neglect probably the largest group of consumers for laptops; students. I still see every student with a laptop.

 

Were you typing out your original post on your phone, and it somehow erased it?
Maybe a laptop would have suited you better

[thrasher_565]

if anything the pc is dead. same with consoles. laptops are just as powerful as a pc. and statia is trying to replace the hardware all together. (don't think it will work for now) only thing pc have right now is vr but you could just use a laptop for that now too so...

[SupaKomputa]

Here in asia, laptop still dominates. New computer users tend to just buy budget laptops rather pc, that they can use anywhere (college students).

High speed Free wifi is everywhere even in mcd or kfc. No wifi? Just tether your phone, bandwidth are cheap.

I still see a lot of students working on their assignment on the hallway with their laptop opened.

New laptop models are coming out each year, i don't see the signs of it declining.

The one that should replace laptops, tablets, seems stagnated. Only samsung and apple made them.

People still like to use the clicky keyboards it seems.

[Donut417]

20 hours ago, thrasher_565 said:

nd statia is trying to replace the hardware all together.

Wont happen in the US. ISP's have Caps, like large ISP's like Comcast and AT&T. Not to mention something like 15 to 20% of Americans live in rural areas that dont really have broadband. As they can get 3 Mbps DSL, Satellite or if they are lucky some kind of LTE connection. 

 

 

The trend I see is many people just use their phones. But you got the people like me that prefer the full desktop experience. Plus I need AT LEAST 2 monitors. Then you got the students that need a laptop or desktop for school work. 

[thrasher_565]

38 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Wont happen in the US. ISP's have Caps, like large ISP's like Comcast and AT&T. Not to mention something like 15 to 20% of Americans live in rural areas that dont really have broadband. As they can get 3 Mbps DSL, Satellite or if they are lucky some kind of LTE connection. 

 

 

The trend I see is many people just use their phones. But you got the people like me that prefer the full desktop experience. Plus I need AT LEAST 2 monitors. Then you got the students that need a laptop or desktop for school work. 

ya i no that's why i said statia wont work or altlest for most people. if its not statia it will be another company that will do streaming.

[Donut417]

Just now, thrasher_565 said:

ya i no that's why i said statia wont work or altlest for most people. if its not statia it will be another company that will do streaming.

There have been a few that have tried. They all FAIL. ISP's are jerks, and they will continue being Jerks till the end of time. None of these types of services will work. As long as throttling and data caps exist these service will never thrive. 

[thrasher_565]

3 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

There have been a few that have tried. They all FAIL. ISP's are jerks, and they will continue being Jerks till the end of time. None of these types of services will work. As long as throttling and data caps exist these service will never thrive. 

i dont no at some point it might just be free or cheap as there just collect your data to sell anyway. for now its likes that but anything can happen. i my self hate phones so im all for a pc till the end. but vr could repace it someday were you dont have to type you just enther a room and all people on mic's and can see them. heck the enet we no today is slowly going away old stuff is de listed there fewer stuff there then use to be. take paintball there use to be so many pic;s and forms and such and most are gone.... so if you want info on pc there will be a subscription you will have to pay. want a food recapy oh need a subscription for that. that whay they can heave regulate what info is out there.

[Drak3]

21 hours ago, thrasher_565 said:

laptops are just as powerful as a pc

They REALLY aren't. The thermal and power constraints of the form factor guarantee that the only laptops that are as powerful as high end desktops are the size of an ITX desktop.