Cooling for Ryzen 5 2600

[IcyFox]

Hey there, recently got a Ryzen 5 2600 and installed it in the case with the stock cooler. Someone suggested that I should get an aftermarket cooler since the stock one isn't very good and my case is quite small. However, I'm slightly scared of installing an aftermarket cooler, especially now that the motherboard is already in the case. Additionally, my PC will be regularly transported by car every month, so the weight of an aftermarket CPU cooler is a big concern. What would you guys suggest? Should I just stick with the stock cooler or do you have any other suggestions in mind?

Thanks for any answers!

[SpookyCitrus]

If you are not overclocking the CPU then the stock cooler should be perfectly fine. The AMD Wraith stock coolers are actually very good in terms of cooling their respective CPUs at stock speeds.

[WoodenMarker]

What are your load temps?

Is the stock cooler too noisy?

[IcyFox]

8 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

If you are not overclocking the CPU then the stock cooler should be perfectly fine. The AMD Wraith stock coolers are actually very good in terms of cooling their respective CPUs at stock speeds.

Alright, thanks. Just wanted to make sure

[steelo]

15 minutes ago, IcyFox said:

Hey there, recently got a Ryzen 5 2600 and installed it in the case with the stock cooler. Someone suggested that I should get an aftermarket cooler since the stock one isn't very good and my case is quite small. However, I'm slightly scared of installing an aftermarket cooler, especially now that the motherboard is already in the case. Additionally, my PC will be regularly transported by car every month, so the weight of an aftermarket CPU cooler is a big concern. What would you guys suggest? Should I just stick with the stock cooler or do you have any other suggestions in mind?

Thanks for any answers!

I have a Ryzen 5 2400G overclocked to 3.9 ghz on all cores and the stock cooler rarely allows the CPU to get above high 60's-70C

[IcyFox]

2 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

What are your load temps?

Is the stock cooler too noisy?

The only real load I have tested was GTA V, and the temps were usually around the 65 degrees C mark, sometimes going up to 70 but never higher. Though I think this has more to do with the case not being able to dissipate the heat (I'm replacing the slow stock fans that came with it) and my hot R9 280x, which I am also replacing for a GTX 1660 Ti shortly... Noise really isn't an issue, the case is optimized for silence anyways...

[IcyFox]

1 minute ago, steelo said:

I have a Ryzen 5 2400G overclocked to 3.9 ghz on all cores and the stock cooler rarely allows the CPU to get above high 60's-70C

Really? It has the same cooler as the 2600 right? Mine runs at those temps not overclocked. Do you have a large case with good airflow?

[WoodenMarker]

2 minutes ago, IcyFox said:

The only real load I have tested was GTA V, and the temps were usually around the 65 degrees C mark, sometimes going up to 70 but never higher. Though I think this has more to do with the case not being able to dissipate the heat (I'm replacing the slow stock fans that came with it) and my hot R9 280x, which I am also replacing for a GTX 1660 Ti shortly... Noise really isn't an issue, the case is optimized for silence anyways...

Your temps seem fine. You can run a synthetic stress test like OCCT to see how much hotter it gets. 

[steelo]

14 minutes ago, IcyFox said:

Really? It has the same cooler as the 2600 right? Mine runs at those temps not overclocked. Do you have a large case with good airflow?

I think it uses the wraith cooler...whatever it is, it's the stock cooler that came with it. I do have 2 intake and 1 exhaust fans running, so that seems to help a bit.

 

I'm not an expert by any stretch, but what voltage is your CPU running at? Reason why I asked, my ASRock MB defaulted to 1.4v (If I remember correctly) which was a bit too high for stock settings. After lowering it, CPU temps went down quite a bit.

[IcyFox]

1 minute ago, WoodenMarker said:

Your temps seem fine. You can run a synthetic stress test like OCCT to see how much hotter it gets. 

What kind of temperatures should I expect or rather, what is too high of a temperature in the test?

[steelo]

15 minutes ago, IcyFox said:

What kind of temperatures should I expect or rather, what is too high of a temperature in the test?

I think anything ~40C idle is good, but I'd be weary if temperatures exceed 75-80 C under full load. Your temperatures seem to be well within safe tolerances.

[IcyFox]

16 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

Your temps seem fine. You can run a synthetic stress test like OCCT to see how much hotter it gets. 

Okay, I ran OCCT for a solid 10 minutes. The maximum temperature was 88 C, although I think the problem is in the case. My case has a sort of door in the front, and opening it always led to a decrease in temperatures. If I would have run it for longer, the temps would probably go higher as the exhaust fan isn't able to dissipate the heat due to a low RPM (only runs at like 900 RPM max). Are these temps okay or should I do something about it?

P.S. Graphics card contributes to the overall temps in the case a lot, since it runs around 50 C idle...

[WoodenMarker]

1 minute ago, IcyFox said:

Okay, I ran OCCT for a solid 10 minutes. The maximum temperature was 88 C, although I think the problem is in the case. My case has a sort of door in the front, and opening it always led to a decrease in temperatures. If I would have run it for longer, the temps would probably go higher as the exhaust fan isn't able to dissipate the heat due to a low RPM (only runs at like 900 RPM max). Are these temps okay or should I do something about it?

P.S. Graphics card contributes to the overall temps in the case a lot, since it runs around 50 C idle...

Those temps are pretty high. What case and fans are you using? 

A better would help but may still be heavily limited by the case cooling. 

[steelo]

16 minutes ago, IcyFox said:

Okay, I ran OCCT for a solid 10 minutes. The maximum temperature was 88 C, although I think the problem is in the case. My case has a sort of door in the front, and opening it always led to a decrease in temperatures. If I would have run it for longer, the temps would probably go higher as the exhaust fan isn't able to dissipate the heat due to a low RPM (only runs at like 900 RPM max). Are these temps okay or should I do something about it?

P.S. Graphics card contributes to the overall temps in the case a lot, since it runs around 50 C idle...

How many fans are you running? I'd also go into UEFI and see what voltage your CPU is running at...I found that my motherboard manufacturer defaulted to 1.4v and I was able to lower it to 1.25v which reduced temps by a good 10 C. 

 

I did find adding an exhaust fan helped a lot, my RX570 runs at about 50 C idle and easily goes up near 70-80 C.

[IcyFox]

1 minute ago, WoodenMarker said:

Those temps are pretty high. What case and fans are you using? 

A better would help but may still be heavily limited by the case cooling. 

Antec P5 for the case, with two LC Power CF-120 mm fans in the front (although they get suffocated by the solid panel in the front) and the stock Antec 120 mm fan that came with the case, which has really low RPM...

[steelo]

1 minute ago, IcyFox said:

Antec P5 for the case, with two LC Power CF-120 mm fans in the front (although they get suffocated by the solid panel in the front) and the stock Antec 120 mm fan that came with the case, which has really low RPM...

Have you tried playing with your fan speed in UEFI? I found that running in 'energy efficient' mode (or however it's labeled in UEFI) really caused the case to heat up.

[WoodenMarker]

2 minutes ago, IcyFox said:

Antec P5 for the case, with two LC Power CF-120 mm fans in the front (although they get suffocated by the solid panel in the front) and the stock Antec 120 mm fan that came with the case, which has really low RPM...

Those aren't very good fans and I'd recommend upgrading your case fans first. 

Where are you shopping / located? Budget?

[IcyFox]

The fans are running at turbo, so basically max speeds in the Asus Bios. Voltage is also at 1,2V so that isn't the problem.

 

For the fans, do you think the LC Power ones are bad too? I was planning on replacing the exhaust but could go for new intake ones as well. The budget really isn't that important, I am going to order the graphics card from Germany though (Mindfactory)

[steelo]

16 minutes ago, IcyFox said:

The fans are running at turbo, so basically max speeds in the Asus Bios. Voltage is also at 1,2V so that isn't the problem.

 

For the fans, do you think the LC Power ones are bad too? I was planning on replacing the exhaust but could go for new intake ones as well. The budget really isn't that important, I am going to order the graphics card from Germany though (Mindfactory)

You definitely need better fans then but I still worry about the airflow in the front of the case. I think you always want positive pressure, meaning more intake airflow than exhaust. I've always heard Noctua and Corsair make decent fans, but I'm not an expert in this area so I'll let other posters provide suggestions on which ones are the best.

[WoodenMarker]

16 minutes ago, IcyFox said:

For the fans, do you think the LC Power ones are bad too? I was planning on replacing the exhaust but could go for new intake ones as well. The budget really isn't that important, I am going to order the graphics card from Germany though (Mindfactory)

They seem like generic case fans which aren't well suited for a restrictive front panel like that on the P5. I'm not sure if they were an upgrade from the stock case fan besides the higher rpm and adding an extra fan. 

 

Because of the side ventilation behind the side panel only being near the bottom, the top fan at the front probably isn't doing much for cooling so it's hard to tell how much better 2x 120mm's than 1x 140mm if at all especially when looking at performance / noise. 

1x NF-P12 for rear exhaust and 2x NF-P12 for front intake may provide better performance simply due to the higher rpm: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/VNBTwP/noctua-nf-p12-redux-1700-pwm-708-cfm-120mm-fan-nf-p12-redux-1700-pwm

It's probably more economical and not far off to just use a NF-P14S for front intake though: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/8r9KHx/noctua-case-fan-nfp14sredux1500pwm

 

If you're aiming for cheap performance, you could just try replacing the rear fan with a Slipstream first before deciding on whether or not to replace more fans: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/kP2kcf/scythe-case-fan-sy1225sl12sh

 

If temps are still too high, you may just need a better cooler. 

The Gammaxx 400 is a good option: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/hJFPxr/deepcool-cpu-cooler-gammaxx400

If you want something quieter, the Mugen 5 Rev. B is better: https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Scythe-Mugen-5-Rev-B-Tower-Kuehler_1133900.html

[IcyFox]

26 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

They seem like generic case fans which aren't well suited for a restrictive front panel like that on the P5. I'm not sure if they were an upgrade from the stock case fan besides the higher rpm and adding an extra fan. 

 

Because of the side ventilation behind the side panel only being near the bottom, the top fan at the front probably isn't doing much for cooling so it's hard to tell how much better 2x 120mm's than 1x 140mm if at all especially when looking at performance / noise. 

1x NF-P12 for rear exhaust and 2x NF-P12 for front intake may provide better performance simply due to the higher rpm: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/VNBTwP/noctua-nf-p12-redux-1700-pwm-708-cfm-120mm-fan-nf-p12-redux-1700-pwm

It's probably more economical and not far off to just use a NF-P14S for front intake though: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/8r9KHx/noctua-case-fan-nfp14sredux1500pwm

 

If you're aiming for cheap performance, you could just try replacing the rear fan with a Slipstream first before deciding on whether or not to replace more fans: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/kP2kcf/scythe-case-fan-sy1225sl12sh

 

If temps are still too high, you may just need a better cooler. 

The Gammaxx 400 is a good option: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/hJFPxr/deepcool-cpu-cooler-gammaxx400

If you want something quieter, the Mugen 5 Rev. B is better: https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Scythe-Mugen-5-Rev-B-Tower-Kuehler_1133900.html

Just out of curiosity, what makes these Noctua fans better than the LC Power ones? They do have the same RPM... 

[IcyFox]

20 hours ago, WoodenMarker said:

They seem like generic case fans which aren't well suited for a restrictive front panel like that on the P5. I'm not sure if they were an upgrade from the stock case fan besides the higher rpm and adding an extra fan. 

 

Because of the side ventilation behind the side panel only being near the bottom, the top fan at the front probably isn't doing much for cooling so it's hard to tell how much better 2x 120mm's than 1x 140mm if at all especially when looking at performance / noise. 

1x NF-P12 for rear exhaust and 2x NF-P12 for front intake may provide better performance simply due to the higher rpm: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/VNBTwP/noctua-nf-p12-redux-1700-pwm-708-cfm-120mm-fan-nf-p12-redux-1700-pwm

It's probably more economical and not far off to just use a NF-P14S for front intake though: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/8r9KHx/noctua-case-fan-nfp14sredux1500pwm

 

If you're aiming for cheap performance, you could just try replacing the rear fan with a Slipstream first before deciding on whether or not to replace more fans: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/kP2kcf/scythe-case-fan-sy1225sl12sh

 

If temps are still too high, you may just need a better cooler. 

The Gammaxx 400 is a good option: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/hJFPxr/deepcool-cpu-cooler-gammaxx400

If you want something quieter, the Mugen 5 Rev. B is better: https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Scythe-Mugen-5-Rev-B-Tower-Kuehler_1133900.html

Okay, I have looked on Mindfactory and will order the fans. Additionally, I will get the Cryorig H7, since the Mugen doesn't/barely fits my case due to its height. Do you have any other recommendations for fixing my airflow/temperature issues?

[WoodenMarker]

1 hour ago, IcyFox said:

Okay, I have looked on Mindfactory and will order the fans. Additionally, I will get the Cryorig H7, since the Mugen doesn't/barely fits my case due to its height.

The Mugen 5 Rev. B is better and fits fine. Manufacturers usually stay on the conservative side when it comes to specifications so things work together as specified. 

Here's an example: 

21 hours ago, IcyFox said:

Just out of curiosity, what makes these Noctua fans better than the LC Power ones? They do have the same RPM... 

They have a bit higher rpm but just about everything is different asides from the form factor. The fan blades are different as well as there being more of them, and different motors / bearings. I haven't used the CF-120's but they look suspiciously like the generic case fans that aren't very good.

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[IcyFox]

2 hours ago, WoodenMarker said:

The Mugen 5 Rev. B is better and fits fine. Manufacturers usually stay on the conservative side when it comes to specifications so things work together as specified. 

Here's an example: 

They have a bit higher rpm but just about everything is different asides from the form factor. The fan blades are different as well as there being more of them, and different motors / bearings. I haven't used the CF-120's but they look suspiciously like the generic case fans that aren't very good.

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Alright, will order the Mugen 5 then along with the Noctua fans. Another experiment I did today was I took the side panel off and ran OCCT for a solid 3 hours. The max temperature hit was 84 C, with the processor mostly hovering around the 82 C mark. Am I wrong to assume that this somewhat proves that the case airflow is the problem with the high temperatures?

[WoodenMarker]

12 minutes ago, IcyFox said:

I took the side panel off and ran OCCT for a solid 3 hours. The max temperature hit was 84 C, with the processor mostly hovering around the 82 C mark. Am I wrong to assume that this somewhat proves that the case airflow is the problem with the high temperatures?

If removing the side panel lowers temps dramatically, then case cooling is probably holding it back, The drop you saw wasn't huge but substantial enough that the case could probably use some better airflow.