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Time to Ditch Chrome??

Alan G
By Alan G
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17 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Are you saying false information or are you more saying I have nothing to hide so why should I care kind of thing?

Both.

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8 minutes ago, Dr. Historic Low said:

Both.

False information is actually a good thing and that's a way of hiding. By creating digital noise you can alter the profile about you making the information fake. Secondly if you have nothing to hide why are they spying on you in the first place? What if I told you all your purchases you make were influenced and not really your own? 

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8 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

What if I told you all your purchases you make were influenced and not really your own? 

Not sure what you mean here.

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On 6/22/2019 at 12:04 AM, Bramimond said:

It was never time to switch to Chrome, actually. People just did anyway. It's designed to spy on you from the ground up. Just like every other service from Google. If you get something for free, you are the product and all that.

 

Keep an eye out for qutebrowser. It's looking very promising, once extensions are supported. I'm already using it for sites I trust. It's an amazing experience, if you're a power user.

 Thanks for mentioning qutebrowser.  I had never heard of it before and it looks interesting from a project standpoint.  I will be watching the developement of it going forward.  Have you been following the Vivaldi browser much?  I was a big fan of Opera back in the day so I jumped on Vivaldi as soon as I heard about it.  It's now my favorite browser.

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15 minutes ago, Dr. Historic Low said:

Not sure what you mean here.

The power of data mining is pretty insane. Even in physical stores 

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7 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

The power of data mining is pretty insane. Even in physical stores

What does this ^... have to do with this > "What if I told you all your purchases you make were influenced and not really your own?"

 

Still unclear of what this means.

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13 minutes ago, Dr. Historic Low said:

What does this ^... have to do with this > "What if I told you all your purchases you make were influenced and not really your own?"

 

Still unclear of what this means.

When you think you are buying something because you wanted it or think it's the best option when in reality it was heavily influenced without you knowing

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tbh I would consent to a softer version of adblock that doesn't rely on any filtering API. Instead it would just be a list of websites that use overly intrusive doodads should as email subscription popups and autoplaying videos and I could get a 'you wont like this site' warning before I click thru to any site that is on that list. 

Now content producers don't have to worry about me stealing their bandwidth and I don't have to worry about crappy pages that make my phone act weird or are overly vexing to read. We both win. 

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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

it was heavily influenced without you knowing

Influenced by what(that I wouldn't know already is influencing the purchase)? When I buy food, it's because I'm hungry. When I buy a game, it's because it's on sale for dirt cheap and I did heavy research of what it's all about. I'm not getting your drift at all.

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8 hours ago, Waffles13 said:

I vastly prefer it that way. Every site has a different design and a different purpose, so there's no reason to assume that 150% zoom on one site = 150% zoom on another in terms of usability.

 

Not saying that either was is inherently better, but there's an argument either way. 

You can do it both ways in chrome

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On 6/21/2019 at 10:04 PM, BuckGup said:

Great joke. You are never safe with things like fingerprinting, flash cookies, WebRTC leak, and facebook cross site tracking. Firefox with select known addons, plus linux, plus a pi hole, and a VPN are getting you closer but using chrome at all is a bad idea

Honestly wasn't really impressed by pihole. I tried it a few months back. It's basically just DHCP with a (poorly) managed blocklist. You can achieve the same if you import the blacklist yourself. Since it's just blocking certain ips, it cant alter the layout of webpages so pages end up looking weird because of missing ads.

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9 hours ago, Dr. Historic Low said:

Influenced by what(that I wouldn't know already is influencing the purchase)? When I buy food, it's because I'm hungry. When I buy a game, it's because it's on sale for dirt cheap and I did heavy research of what it's all about. I'm not getting your drift at all.

Influenced by marketing by the companies. The flyers you get in the mail for stores like target are tailored to you specifically. They’ll have some similarities across the board but if they know you are googling a lot of things about camping they’ll focus more on camping supplies being discounted with the coupons.

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4 hours ago, LeSheen said:

Honestly wasn't really impressed by pihole. I tried it a few months back. It's basically just DHCP with a (poorly) managed blocklist. You can achieve the same if you import the blacklist yourself. Since it's just blocking certain ips, it cant alter the layout of webpages so pages end up looking weird because of missing ads.

Not really it’s a DNS so you can do a lot more like DNSC for security and it works on devices were you can’t install a tradition blocklist. The website scaling I agree but you can then use a local blocker to fix that

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13 hours ago, f22luke said:

 Thanks for mentioning qutebrowser.  I had never heard of it before and it looks interesting from a project standpoint.  I will be watching the developement of it going forward.  Have you been following the Vivaldi browser much?  I was a big fan of Opera back in the day so I jumped on Vivaldi as soon as I heard about it.  It's now my favorite browser.

As far as I know Vivaldi is closed source, so I won't be using it. Also as far as I know it's based on the Chrome engine, which is another reason I won't be using it.

 

I got burned on Opera before, I won't make that mistake again. It was a nice browser but than features disappeared with no ways of bringing them back, since it's closed source.

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2 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Influenced by marketing by the companies. The flyers you get in the mail for stores like target are tailored to you specifically. They’ll have some similarities across the board but if they know you are googling a lot of things about camping they’ll focus more on camping supplies being discounted with the coupons.

What on earth are you talking about dude? I don't get flyers in the mail. I don't Google things about camping and then buy camping supplies out of nowhere for no reason. The only marketing I come across is ads on YouTube and not once do I even see what the ad is because I skip it 100% of the time. And it certainly doesn't involve camping equipment. And if it did, I'm not an idiot dude. I don't buy something based on things dangled in front of me. That's like knowing what a loot box does if you were to buy one. I simply have no clue.

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9 minutes ago, Dr. Historic Low said:

What on earth are you talking about dude? I don't get flyers in the mail. I don't Google things about camping and then buy camping supplies out of nowhere for no reason. The only marketing I come across is ads on YouTube and not once do I even see what the ad is because I skip it 100% of the time. And it certainly doesn't involve camping equipment. And if it did, I'm not an idiot dude. I don't buy something based on things dangled in front of me. That's like knowing what a loot box does if you were to buy one. I simply have no clue.

That’s not what I’m talking about either. It goes much deeper than a YouTube ad that is shown based upon something you searched. The camping supply thing was just an example. It applies to anything you buy 

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On 6/22/2019 at 5:24 PM, Vulkan HeStan said:

opera is based off the chromium engine

i didnt know that. but oh well, it is better than google chrome (imo) so it can base iteself off of whatever it wants as long as it stays good

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20 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

It applies to anything you buy 

"Influenced by marketing by the companies." I am not influenced by marketing. Plain and simple. I've told you examples of things I buy and marketing has nothing to do with these purchases. I also haven't visited a Target store in well over a decade.

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15 minutes ago, Dr. Historic Low said:

"Influenced by marketing by the companies." I am not influenced by marketing. Plain and simple. I've told you examples of things I buy and marketing has nothing to do with these purchases. I also haven't visited a Target store in well over a decade.

I think your missing the main point here, I think what BuckGup is trying to say is that your buying decisions are not entirely your own because of a more low level influence which has been exerted on you your entire life.

<example>Look at the coke you just bought, why did you buy it, was it because you were thirsty and wanted a coke, why not a Pepsi? why not water?</example>

It's not just about the single decision you as a savvy consumer have made, sure you bought that game on sale, but did you really need it, or did the trailer for it look really good and you've been waiting for it to go on sale?

The real problem with advertising isn't that you see it an immediately go MUST HAVE PRODUCT HUR DUR HERE'S MA CARD!!! It's more that you've mostly forgotten the commercial you actually saw about the game, but you remember "that looked pretty cool" the tail of memory on advertisements are much longer than the memory of the actual ad and it effects your subconscious in a much bigger way than most people will recognize, especially when they view themselves as a savvy consumer, it's hard to admit you can be swayed by these things.

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Most people are just cheap and lazy, it's why so many use stupid Google products. It's not like they are that superior and everyone depend on them that much. I ditched all of Google's shit and miss exactly none of them. I use other products and services and they are just as good and I'm not giving them a pass just coz I hate Google. They really do work well.

 

Chrome gained such massive user share because it's bundled with so many things and it's done in shitty aggressive way like prechecked checkboxes in installers. avast! was really shitty in this regard as it was shilling damn Chrome with every program update and they weren't the only ones. They now have their own Chromium based browser, but they still offer it during installation. Like almost every PC with avast! installed also had Chrome because of it, whether users were using it or not, because it was preticked and ppl just don't read. I know coz I installed avast! and Firefox for those users. And they all had fucking Chrome icon on dekstop too next time I was fixing their systems.

 

That has nothing to do with influence and all with aggressive pushing of the product.

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23 minutes ago, enigmakahn said:

I think your missing the main point here

You're, not your.

23 minutes ago, enigmakahn said:

your buying decisions are not entirely your own because of a more low level influence which has been exerted on you your entire life.

If they're not my decisions, who's decisions are they?

23 minutes ago, enigmakahn said:

Look at the coke you just bought, why did you buy it, was it because you were thirsty and wanted a coke, why not a Pepsi? why not water?

I don't buy Coke. I don't buy Pepsi. I don't buy water. I'll drink all 3 though.

23 minutes ago, enigmakahn said:

sure you bought that game on sale, but did you really need it, or did the trailer for it look really good and you've been waiting for it to go on sale?

I don't watch game trailers. I buy games when they hit rock bottom, dirt cheap prices. Around $0.19 to as high as say, $9.00. I paid around $9.00 for The Division with all the DLC expansion packs included. I've put in over 400 hours into it ever since. Well worth the $9.00. Did I watch a game trailer before I bought it? No. Did I watch an Angry Joe Show review on it? Yes. Did I watch dozens of game play videos on it? Yes. It looked like something I would enjoy, so I bought it. Absolutely no advertising went into why I bought it.

23 minutes ago, enigmakahn said:

It's more that you've mostly forgotten the commercial you actually saw about the game, but you remember "that looked pretty cool" the tail of memory on advertisements are much longer than the memory of the actual ad and it effects your subconscious in a much bigger way than most people will recognize, especially when they view themselves as a savvy consumer, it's hard to admit you can be swayed by these things.

I don't watch commercials. I don't even have cable.

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1 minute ago, Dr. Historic Low said:

You're, not your.

If they're not my decisions, who's decisions are they?

I don't buy Coke. I don't buy Pepsi. I don't buy water.

I don't watch game trailers. I buy games when they hit rock bottom, dirt cheap prices. Around $0.19 to as high as say, $9.00. I paid around $9.00 for The Division with all the DLC expansion packs included. I've put in over 400 hours into it ever since. Well worth the $9.00. Did I watch a game trailer before I bought it? No. Did I watch an Angry Joe Show review on it? Yes. Did I watch dozens of game play videos on it? Yes. It looked like something I would enjoy, so I bought it. Absolutely no advertising went into why I bought it.

I don't watch commercials. I don't even have cable.

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I forgot the internet is full of Top minds that can't be influenced. 

Though points for the catching my grammar, you're just sad. 

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Just now, enigmakahn said:

I forgot the internet is full of Top minds that can't be influenced. Though points for the catching my grammar, you're just sad. 

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1 hour ago, Dr. Historic Low said:

"Influenced by marketing by the companies." I am not influenced by marketing. Plain and simple. I've told you examples of things I buy and marketing has nothing to do with these purchases. I also haven't visited a Target store in well over a decade.

 

38 minutes ago, enigmakahn said:

I think your missing the main point here, I think what BuckGup is trying to say is that your buying decisions are not entirely your own because of a more low level influence which has been exerted on you your entire life.

<example>Look at the coke you just bought, why did you buy it, was it because you were thirsty and wanted a coke, why not a Pepsi? why not water?</example>

It's not just about the single decision you as a savvy consumer have made, sure you bought that game on sale, but did you really need it, or did the trailer for it look really good and you've been waiting for it to go on sale?

The real problem with advertising isn't that you see it an immediately go MUST HAVE PRODUCT HUR DUR HERE'S MA CARD!!! It's more that you've mostly forgotten the commercial you actually saw about the game, but you remember "that looked pretty cool" the tail of memory on advertisements are much longer than the memory of the actual ad and it effects your subconscious in a much bigger way than most people will recognize, especially when they view themselves as a savvy consumer, it's hard to admit you can be swayed by these things.

This ^^^

 

Stores now use wifi to track your phone in the store paired with cameras and microphones to see how the product design is working. Stores don't organize shelves by just putting things on them or by weight. Companies pay more for better line of site and where in the store they are placed. They have heatmaps of traffic and can shift it with discounts and sales to also test new products to see how they fair on "new" customers. I had no clue how deep things got until I had to write an ethics paper on privacy and the length stores go to is pretty insane. I think Dr. Historic is a great example of someone who thinks marketing has no affect on them when in reality it's a great case as they are unaware to the extent they are influenced. Not saying everything is not their own thought but you'd be surprised.

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