MSI X570 Prices out in EU

[Koxicain]

Hey guys i just noticed the prices on Amazon.de for some of the MSI boards.
The leak from Komplett was approximately 200 euros higher than this.

 

https://www.amazon.de/MSI-MEG-X570-Godlike-DDR4/dp/B07ST23K9B/ref=sr_1_14?__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=30LTW66Y9DBFH&keywords=x570+motherboard&qid=1560854887&s=gateway&sprefix=X570%2Caps%2C175&sr=8-14

 

https://www.amazon.de/MSI-X570-Gaming-Plus-DDR4/dp/B07SYSXQSY/ref=sr_1_8?__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=30LTW66Y9DBFH&keywords=x570+motherboard&qid=1560855865&s=gateway&sprefix=X570%2Caps%2C175&sr=8-8

 

"EDIT"

Products are now removed from Amazon.de 

 

[ManosMax13]

Post this in tech news too. I dont understand tho amd got all its fame for being a better value for money option than intel and having cheaper mobos. Why are they trying to change that?

[Koxicain]

1 minute ago, ManosMax13 said:

Post this in tech news too. I dont understand tho amd got all its fame for being a better value for money option than intel and having cheaper mobos. Why are they trying to change that?

This has nothing to do with AMD. This is simply because of PCIE Gen 4. X470 will still work perfectly fine with 3rd Gen ryzen but PCIE gen 4 requires better pcb material and more attention so thats why its more expensive.

But i will do

[CiBi]

Thats like 120€ for each USB port at the back.

For real 5 USB ports, on this board!?!?

[ManosMax13]

1 minute ago, Koxicain said:

This has nothing to do with AMD. This is simply because of PCIE Gen 4. X470 will still work perfectly fine with 3rd Gen ryzen but PCIE gen 4 requires better pcb material and more attention so thats why its more expensive.

But i will do

Even if you are right. There was a leak some days ago about ryzen prices in romania and they were absurd to say the least. I dont know if Romania has high prices in general but if the prices are real Amd will become more expensive than Intel.

 

Took me long to find it:

 

[Koxicain]

3 minutes ago, CiBi said:

Thats like 120€ for each USB port at the back.

For real 5 USB ports, on this board!?!?

Do you need more ? 
Mouse, Keyboard, Webcam, Streamdeck, Phone? 

[Koxicain]

1 minute ago, ManosMax13 said:

Even if you are right. There was a leak some days ago about ryzen prices in romania and they were absurd to say the least. I dont know if Romania has high prices in general but if the prices are real Amd will become more expensive than Intel.

 

Took me long to find it:

 

Thats in Denmark, from one of the most expensive sites. Denmark is A lot more expensive than most other countries when it comes to electronics. 
Im from Denmark so i know

[ManosMax13]

3 minutes ago, Koxicain said:

Do you need more ? 
Mouse, Keyboard, Webcam, Streamdeck, Phone? 

Keyboard has 2 usb ports,webcam,microphone,phone or usb storage,amp for headphones and what if someone wants a vr you need 2 usb ports at least for that...

[ManosMax13]

2 minutes ago, Koxicain said:

Thats in Denmark, from one of the most expensive sites. Denmark is A lot more expensive than most other countries when it comes to electronics. 
Im from Denmark so i know

Oh thanks goodness.

[Arika]

5 minutes ago, Koxicain said:

Do you need more ? 
Mouse, Keyboard, Webcam, Streamdeck, Phone? 

bahahahahahahha

 

let's go through mine.

 

1. Mouse
2. Keyboard
3. External ssd
4. External HDD1
5. External HDD2
6. External HDD3
7. Xbox 1 controller/device connection
8. Razer Orbweaver
9. Logitech x52
10. Track IR
11. Additional keyboard
12. DSD Trackzilla Button Box

then on a separate charging hub

1. Headset charger
2. general usb-c charger
3. Samsung Galaxy Tab s2
4. iPad
5. general micro USB charger
6. general micro USB charger

[Koxicain]

1 minute ago, ManosMax13 said:

Keyboard has 2 usb ports,webcam,microphone,phone or usb storage,amp for headphones and what if someone wants a vr you need 2 usb ports at least for that...

Most cases has Font USBs aswell. Ppl can always buy a hub tbh

[Koxicain]

1 minute ago, Arika S said:

bahahahahahahha

 

let's go through mine.

 

1. Mouse
2. Keyboard
3. External ssd
4. External HDD1
5. External HDD2
6. External HDD3
7. Xbox 1 controller/device connection
8. Razer Orbweaver
9. Logitech x52
10. Track IR
11. Additional keyboard
12. DSD Trackzilla Button Box

then on a separate charging hub

1. Headset charger
2. general usb-c charger
3. Samsung Galaxy Tab s2
4. iPad
5. general micro USB charger
6. general micro USB charger

What board do you have with that many USB ports? 

[ManosMax13]

Just now, Koxicain said:

What board do you have with that many USB ports? 

Many manyyyy  usb hubs... 

[Koxicain]

Just now, ManosMax13 said:

Many manyyyy  usb hubs... 

Yeah  Well i dont mind 5 USB's on the back. I have 4 on the front aswell. If i need more i would get a hub anyways to have better cable management

[Arika]

4 minutes ago, Koxicain said:

What board do you have with that many USB ports? 

board has 6 usb 3.0 and 2 usb 2.0

asrock z270m-itx/ac

one of those ports goes to a 7 port powered hub

 

and the charging hub is an Anker Powerport

[porina]

Has there been any indication at all about X570 boards under 200 euros or dollars? I've never spent this much on a top consumer chipset board before. That is top chipset, not top board. This is looking likely to cost more than Intel HEDT boards I've bought...

[imcaspar]

Seems like buying a 9900k and an EVGA Z390 Dark (One of the best OC boards) would be way cheaper than a 3700x and a proper board.

[ManosMax13]

Just now, Arika S said:

board has 6

asrock z270m-itx/ac

one of those ports goes to a 7 port powered hub

 

and the charging hub is an Anker Powerport

 

1 minute ago, Koxicain said:

Yeah  Well i dont mind 5 USB's on the back. I have 4 on the front aswell. If i need more i would get a hub anyways to have better cable management

Doesnt having a lot of usb ports in a hub running just from a single usb port decrease performance?

[porina]

Just now, ManosMax13 said:

Doesnt having a lot of usb ports in a hub running just from a single usb port decrease performance?

There's limited bandwidth to be shared, but many items don't really use a lot anyway.

[Arika]

Just now, ManosMax13 said:

 

Doesnt having a lot of usb ports in a hub running just from a single usb port decrease performance?

depends entirely what is plugged into it. it goes back to a single usb 3.0 so still has 5gbps bandwidth. the hub has

 

2 of the HDDs

keyboard

x52

button box

track IR

mouse

 

the 2 HDDs have the highest bandwidth requirement which is maaaybe 2gbps IF they were both at 100%, which they never are.

 

and everything else has such a minimal requirement that it does not matter

[Koxicain]

12 minutes ago, ManosMax13 said:

 

Doesnt having a lot of usb ports in a hub running just from a single usb port decrease performance?

Yeah but only storage devices use the speed anyways. So if its just for Mouse keyboard etc. you have plenty of speed.

[Koxicain]

13 minutes ago, caspar! said:

Seems like buying a 9900k and an EVGA Z390 Dark (One of the best OC boards) would be way cheaper than a 3700x and a proper board.

If you only want 3700x buy a X470 instead. X570 isnt really needed till past 3900x and if you want PCIE gen 4. 

[Koxicain]

17 minutes ago, porina said:

Has there been any indication at all about X570 boards under 200 euros or dollars? I've never spent this much on a top consumer chipset board before. That is top chipset, not top board. This is looking likely to cost more than Intel HEDT boards I've bought...

I believe once Intel HEDT boards get PCIE Gen 4 they will be even more expensive

[ravenshrike]

16 minutes ago, Koxicain said:

If you only want 3700x buy a X470 instead. X570 isnt really needed till past 3900x and if you want PCIE gen 4. 

The top level boards are meant for LN overclocking. Besides, everyone knows if you really want to OC you go ITX.

[porina]

1 minute ago, Koxicain said:

I believe once Intel HEDT boards get PCIE Gen 4 they will be even more expensive

Mobo pricing is going up everywhere, Gen 4 or not. I'm really hoping Intel go beyond 4 channel ram on next HEDT platform, but that's another story. I think Z170 was about the last "cheap" top consumer chipset mobo generation, less than say 150 euro equivalent. My 1st Ryzen board (X370) was above that, and entry level z_70 boards are in the 150+ ball park. I kinda skipped on X470 for that reason. Now Anandtech had described "mid range" X570 boards as around $250... I know manufacturers want to showcase their best, but what about low end X570? If there are no lower models, the mid range is the new low end.

 

Basically I don't want a nerfed chipset for any new generation system I build. So when Ryzen 2000 came out, 300 chipset was not an option as it missed the extra turbo clock thing, but 450 and 470 were not that different otherwise (for single GPU use). Outside of competitive benching, I run stock as I do need 24/7 stability. Do we have a definitive feature list for 570 vs 470 and Zen 2? Apart from PCIe 4.0, are there any features that will be missing if not using 570? And so far no mention of 550 chipset? For 300 series the 50/70 came out at same time. I think it did for 400 too, but not this time?