Temps: i5-9600k + AIO

[PeaceSMC]

Hello everyone!

I just mounted new AIO cooling for my CPU (i5-9600k): Silentium Navis 240 RGB

My temps seems relatively high, but I have no good point of reference to tell. Can you please tell me if these temps are fine for AIO + i5-9600k?

 

I made two tests in the OCCT, one with stock clock (4,4GHz):

and one slighthly OC'd (4,7GHz):

 

CPU fans curve is set for default.

I'd be greatful if you could help me confirm if these temps are good for this setup!

[PopsicleHustler]

It seems way too high. I owned 8600k, it was running a lot cooler at 4.8Ghz under mid range air cooler(H7 Quad Lumi).

 

What fan setup do you have? Is your pump running ok? What voltage do you use for overclock.

[PeaceSMC]

11 minutes ago, PopsicleHustler said:

It seems way too high. I owned 8600k, it was running a lot cooler at 4.8Ghz under mid range air cooler(H7 Quad Lumi).

 

What fan setup do you have? Is your pump running ok? What voltage do you use for overclock.

I haven't modify the voltage, it's stock (I guess 1.37).

Im using fans from default AR5X case. Pump - no idea how to check if it's working correctly.

Voltage from the test:

Settings from XTU:

[xg32]

just because u didnt touch the voltage doesn't mean it's stock, 4.7 at 1.37v on full load can draw something like 150w, 80C is normal

[PeaceSMC]

1 minute ago, xg32 said:

just because u didnt touch the voltage doesn't mean it's stock, 4.7 at 1.37v on full load can draw something like 150w, 80C is normal

Sorry, I'm not much of an overclocker. I just moved CPU frequency in XTU to 4,7GHz, so I assumed it's stock. I added voltage chart in previous post.

[PopsicleHustler]

2 minutes ago, PeaceSMC said:

Sorry, I'm not much of an overclocker. I just moved CPU frequency in XTU to 4,7GHz, so I assumed it's stock. I added voltage chart in previous post.

My god, it jumps over 1.4v, thats insane. You have to manually set the voltage to minimum at which CPU is stable. Otherwise you will damage the chip.

[PeaceSMC]

6 minutes ago, PopsicleHustler said:

My god, it jumps over 1.4v, thats insane. You have to manually set the voltage to minimum at which CPU is stable. Otherwise you will damage the chip.

Jesus, I intentionally didn't modify anything in places where "modyfing this can damage your CPU" popup showed, how could that be possible after just making few changes in "Basic Tuning" tab?! And that's just after I moved it + 0.1GHz - that's insane! That means I shouldn't use XTU or what?

 

And what does it say about the temps then?

[PopsicleHustler]

32 minutes ago, PeaceSMC said:

Jesus, I intentionally didn't modify anything in places where "modyfing this can damage your CPU" popup showed, how could that be possible after just making few changes in "Basic Tuning" tab?! And that's just after I moved it + 0.1GHz - that's insane! That means I shouldn't use XTU or what?

 

And what does it say about the temps then?

Voltage is what determines temperature increase when overclocking. You have to manually set CPU core voltage in the bios. Leaving it on "Auto" is not a good idea because as you can see, your PC puts its in the dangerously high territory. At 4.7Ghz, you should be fine with voltage below 1.3V - 1.25 or similar. Also set LLC (Line Load Calibration) somewhere in middle ground.

 

And just in general, when you're overclocking your CPU, its best to set everything manually. Using pre-set or "Ez overclocknig" tabs in Bios is usually not the best idea. Its best to have full control over your system. That obviously means you have to do a bit of homework on overclocking.

[PeaceSMC]

4 minutes ago, PopsicleHustler said:

Voltage is what determines temperature increase when overclocking. You have to manually set CPU core voltage in the bios. Leaving it on "Auto" is not a good idea because as you can see, your PC puts its in the dangerously high territory. At 4.7Ghz, you should be fine with voltage below 1.3V - 1.25 or similar. Also set LLC (Line Load Calibration) somewhere in middle ground.

 

And just in general, when you're overclocking your CPU, its best to set everything manually. Using pre-set or "Ez overclocknig" tabs in Bios is usually not the best idea. Its best to have full control over your system. That obviously means you have to do a bit of homework on overclocking.

Well okey, let's forget overclocking then. Still - why my CPU is running turbo up to 4,4 GHz instead of advertised 4.6 on stock settings? Is it normal?

 

And what can I do about my cooling? Is it working correctly?

[PopsicleHustler]

7 minutes ago, PeaceSMC said:

Well okey, let's forget overclocking then. Still - why my CPU is running turbo up to 4,4 GHz instead of advertised 4.6 on stock settings? Is it normal?

 

And what can I do about my cooling? Is it working correctly?

CPU turbo is something I never understood. I usually overclock CPUs manually and forget about it. I think Turbo Boost is reliant on CPU usage, cooling and your motherboard.

 

Oh and BTW. In that screen of XTU that you've posted, it says "Core Voltage Adaptive". That means your PC will automatically chnage your CPU voltage to whatever it thinks is best. So your temperatures might be higher than they need to be because of that.

 

But in general your cooling works fine. I thought your pump or airflow was bad, but its that excessive core voltage that heats your CPU. 

[PeaceSMC]

1 minute ago, PopsicleHustler said:

CPU turbo is something I never understood. I usually overclock CPUs manually and forget about it. I think Turbo Boost is reliant on CPU usage, cooling and your motherboard.

 

Oh and BTW. In that screen of XTU that you've posted, it says "Core Voltage Adaptive". That means your PC will automatically chnage your CPU voltage to whatever it thinks is best. So your temperatures might be higher than they need to be because of that.

 

But in general your cooling works fine. I thought your pump or airflow was bad, but its that excessive core voltage that heats your CPU. 

Ok, so just to be sure, these are results with fixed voltage (this is some kind of build-in BIOS OC mode, but it makes voltage fixed) :

Are these fine for this GPU and this AIO?

[PopsicleHustler]

1 minute ago, PeaceSMC said:

Ok, so just to be sure, these are results with fixed voltage (this is some kind of build-in BIOS OC mode, but it makes voltage fixed) :

Are these fine for this GPU and this AIO?

Yeah, thats more like it. Although temperature is still high. I never used OCCT, so I don't know what setting you're using to stress test. 

 

Can you record temps when playing games or something?

[PeaceSMC]

Just now, PopsicleHustler said:

Yeah, thats more like it. Although temperature is still high. I never used OCCT, so I don't know what setting you're using to stress test. 

 

Can you record temps when playing games or something?

Sure!

 

Tests on FHD Ultra presets, 4,4GHz and 1.25V.

Warhammer Vermintide 2: avg ~55, max ~60 (probably could go a little more higer in high demanding scenarious)

Ranbow Six Siege: avg ~65, max ~68

CS:GO: avg ~60, max ~63

[PopsicleHustler]

7 minutes ago, PeaceSMC said:

Sure!

 

Tests on FHD Ultra presets, 4,4GHz and 1.25V.

Warhammer Vermintide 2: avg ~55, max ~60 (probably could go a little more higer in high demanding scenarious)

Ranbow Six Siege: avg ~65, max ~68

CS:GO: avg ~60, max ~63

It could be down to quality of this AiO. But temps aren't bad for what they are. There is nothing to worry about.

[PeaceSMC]

1 minute ago, PopsicleHustler said:

It could be down to quality of this AiO. But temps aren't bad for what they are. There is nothing to worry about.

Yes, the temps are quite low for the games, but I wonder if they are correct for what you should expect from an AIO?

 

It's my first AIO system and I expected temps to be even lower tbh. Just wanted to know if I demanded too much from a budget AIO or maybe I've done something wrong or something's not working correctly? Are these normal temps for an AIO cooled 9600k?

 

Unfortunately I didn't think about making tests on my air cooler before mounting AIO so I could compare.

[PopsicleHustler]

1 hour ago, PeaceSMC said:

Yes, the temps are quite low for the games, but I wonder if they are correct for what you should expect from an AIO?

 

It's my first AIO system and I expected temps to be even lower tbh. Just wanted to know if I demanded too much from a budget AIO or maybe I've done something wrong or something's not working correctly? Are these normal temps for an AIO cooled 9600k?

 

Unfortunately I didn't think about making tests on my air cooler before mounting AIO so I could compare.

Those temps are high for an AiO. As I said, I had 8600k overclocked to 4.8Ghz that ran similar temps under mid range air cooler.

[PeaceSMC]

3 minutes ago, PopsicleHustler said:

Those temps are high for an AiO. As I said, I had 8600k overclocked to 4.8Ghz that ran similar temps under mid range air cooler.

I just checked with the video I was recording on my air cooler (BeQuiet Pure Rock) this morning, on the same settings with AIO I get almost same temps, 1-2 degrees difference max... (AIO, No AIO)

 

So how can I troubleshoot this?

[PopsicleHustler]

Just now, PeaceSMC said:

I just checked with the video I was recording on my air cooler (BeQuiet Pure Rock) this morning, on the same settings with AIO I get almost same temps, 1-2 degrees difference max...

 

So how can I troubleshoot this?

Try re-applying thermal paste. Make sure your pump is working correctly.

[PeaceSMC]

1 minute ago, PopsicleHustler said:

Try re-applying thermal paste. Make sure your pump is working correctly.

How can I check if pump is working correctly?

[PopsicleHustler]

1 minute ago, PeaceSMC said:

How can I check if pump is working correctly?

Make sure its plugged into pump or CPU fan header on the motherboard. Get HWMonitor and see what RPM it is running at.

[PeaceSMC]

43 minutes ago, PopsicleHustler said:

Make sure its plugged into pump or CPU fan header on the motherboard. Get HWMonitor and see what RPM it is running at.

I think my AIO doesn't have PWM controlled pump. Here's the manual, which possibly confirms that

spc-navis-rgb-120-240-280-aio-manual-c.pdf

 

Btw: wouldn't pump failure lead to much much higer temps?

[PeaceSMC]

1 hour ago, PopsicleHustler said:

Try re-applying thermal paste

Re-applyed the thermal paste, results didnt seem to change (this is 1.2V):

[xg32]

temps look FINE for a 9600k on full load, it's just a case of overestimating an AIO. 9th gen is fine up to 90C

[PopsicleHustler]

2 hours ago, PeaceSMC said:

Re-applyed the thermal paste, results didnt seem to change (this is 1.2V):

Those results are A LOT better than previous ones at 1.2V

 

In your previous test, temperatures were in mid 80s. On this test, your temperatures stay in low/mid 60s. So it was bad thermal paste.

[PeaceSMC]

6 hours ago, PopsicleHustler said:

Those results are A LOT better than previous ones at 1.2V

 

In your previous test, temperatures were in mid 80s. On this test, your temperatures stay in low/mid 60s. So it was bad thermal paste.

I think your are misinterpreting the chart. Please notice that temps are on the left y axis, right y axis is CPU usage. And looking at that first 2 mins are almost the same on both charts.