The Speed of Obseletion

[The_Mudgel]

So I'm currently reading a compTIA A+ study guide and you can tell that it was printed years ago. There are some good ones, things like IDE being the most popular type of data connector for HDD. However, the best one is a sentence where the writer sounds amazed that CPU's can have 8 cores. And here we are now looking at 64 core CPU's now. It just made me realize how far we've come in such a short amount of time. You can tell this book was initially written around 2013/2014. We've literally squared the number of cores in 5 years.

[Crunchy Dragon]

2 minutes ago, The_Mudgel said:

You can tell this book was initially written around 2013/2014.

Not if IDE was the HDD standard, that died off and was replaced by SATA in the early/mid 2000s.

Both of my Athlon 64 motherboards(socket 939) feature both SATA and IDE, and those CPUs released in 2004.

 

Look at literally any motherboard from 2010-14, I guarantee none of them will have IDE.

Have a look at Intel P67 boards, no IDE in sight. That chipset released in 2011.

[The_Mudgel]

I was going off an article about WD stopping the shipping of them that was published in 2013 along with a 2016 copyright. This guy's credentials also put him most likely in the networking side of computers which generally means enterprise and that means older hardware and standards.

[doomsriker]

13 minutes ago, The_Mudgel said:

I was going off an article about WD stopping the shipping of them that was published in 2013 along with a 2016 copyright. This guy's credentials also put him most likely in the networking side of computers which generally means enterprise and that means older hardware and standards.

smh sata? You mean the standard we used back in the day before m.2?  (i'm kidding obviously) 

[corrado33]

In fact, I'd say you couldn't be more wrong. The advancement of technology over the past... 2-5 years has significantly slowed down. A high end intel processor from 2014 had 8 cores and 16 threads at 3 GHz with a turbo of 3.5 GHz. A high end intel processor from today has.... you guessed it.... 8 cores and 16 threads at 3.6 GHz with a max turbo in the high 4.8-4.9 GHz range. Now, if you drop down to a 6 core 12 thread processor from 2014, you get roughly the same speeds as the modern chips are running.

 

Intel has done barely anything since skylake has been released. They've refreshed it and refreshed it and refreshed it, and now they're just throwing more cores on there like "well we can't make it any faster, so... uh.... more cores?"

[Cyracus]

16 minutes ago, corrado33 said:

The advancement of technology over the past... 2-5 years has significantly slowed down

Intel's hit a big stumbling block, sure, but AMD came out guns blazing and are claiming their next cpu's are set to steal some performance crowns from Intel, and not just in the price to performance category, gonna be interesting once reviewers get them. But Intel hadn't been pushing consumer cpu's anywhere near the extent that they could've because they had minimal incentive to, but they've been doing a lot in performance per watt, particularly important for mobile. When it's all said and done they can only manage to shrink current processes so much until they have to figure out a new process, but until they do their improvements may have to be somewhere other than transistor size

[Ithanul]

11 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Not if IDE was the HDD standard, that died off and was replaced by SATA in the early/mid 2000s.

Both of my Athlon 64 motherboards(socket 939) feature both SATA and IDE, and those CPUs released in 2004.

 

Look at literally any motherboard from 2010-14, I guarantee none of them will have IDE.

Have a look at Intel P67 boards, no IDE in sight. That chipset released in 2011.

Yep, I had built a computer back during 2009 or 2010 (can't remember exact year), and the board had both IDE and SATA.  The DVD/CD drive in the build used the IDE connection while HDD used the SATA.

 

Sounds like an older A+ study guide book the OP is looking through for sure.

[aezakmi]

10 hours ago, campy said:

Hardware that can maybe run modern software from a compatibility standpoint but not much further. A 775 Pentium 4 and 6600GT with a gig of ram will probably still run Windows 10, it's just gonna suck.

Windows 10 is what is sucks, I mean even on modern high end hardware sucks and it's plagued with errors and bugs

 

the 775 P4 with the 6600GT would still be useful as a NAS with Windows 7 for example, not XP because its network protocols aren't compatible with the W7 ones

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

i know obsession and obsolescence, but what is this new word Obseletion? 

[Crunchy Dragon]

2 hours ago, Ithanul said:

Yep, I had built a computer back during 2009 or 2010 (can't remember exact year), and the board had both IDE and SATA.  The DVD/CD drive in the build used the IDE connection while HDD used the SATA.

 

Sounds like an older A+ study guide book the OP is looking through for sure.

Yeah, 2011 seems to be the point where IDE died off for good.

With good reason, SATA1 was miles faster than IDE ever was.

 

OP: I sincerely hope you don't plan to take the A+ 901 and 902 exams based off of what you learned in this book.

[solarflare]

23 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Not if IDE was the HDD standard, that died off and was replaced by SATA in the early/mid 2000s.

Both of my Athlon 64 motherboards(socket 939) feature both SATA and IDE, and those CPUs released in 2004.

 

Look at literally any motherboard from 2010-14, I guarantee none of them will have IDE.

Have a look at Intel P67 boards, no IDE in sight. That chipset released in 2011.

SATA has been the standard since 2003 era I will admit it wasn't being completely utilized at first but by 2004-2005 all new systems were using sata 1 or 2

[Crunchy Dragon]

On 2/6/2019 at 11:37 PM, The_Mudgel said:

This guy's credentials also put him most likely in the networking side of computers which generally means enterprise and that means older hardware and standards.

Another thing I'd add: if your credentials are more network-geared, you shouldn't be writing a guide that's basically an intro to computers.

[Jon Jon]

I love that we are talking about the mid 2000s here, since I feel like since multi-core CPUs hit the mainstream consumer market, the speed of obsolescence has slowed down drastically.

 

Honestly, I think of some CPUs from the 2009-2012 and how they are honestly still viable even today outside of extreme compute tasks.

 

We are talking about the AMD Phenoms, Core 2 Quads, Nehalem / Sandy Bridge Core i series, and AMD bulldozer/piledriver CPUs.

 

For basic computing, these are still capable and work fine on clean machines with SSD storage.

 

They are even honestly fine for some basic gaming if you are just targeting 1080p60 with lower settings in many cases.

 

You would have never seen this in the 90s or 00s. I remember when I first got into this and every CPU and GPU generation we were getting 50%+ performance bumps almost guaranteed, and in some cases much larger so, at the same price points of the previous generations. Now, it's almost not even that exciting, especially in the GPU space.

 

The hobby has gotten so cheap because of it. You don't need to upgrade every year to keep up with latest and greatest like back in the day.

[LinusOnLine]

On 2/7/2019 at 5:37 AM, The_Mudgel said:

I was going off an article about WD stopping the shipping of them that was published in 2013 along with a 2016 copyright. This guy's credentials also put him most likely in the networking side of computers which generally means enterprise and that means older hardware and standards.

If you are talking servers they would have used SCSI and neither IDE nor SATA. So who wrote your A+ book?

[LinusOnLine]

It was more fun back when you would put a bunch of processors in to the same server instead of having multiple cores. Or the insanely fun blade servers!

[Guest]

On 2/7/2019 at 5:27 PM, The_Mudgel said:

So I'm currently reading a compTIA A+ study guide and you can tell that it was printed years ago. There are some good ones, things like IDE being the most popular type of data connector for HDD. However, the best one is a sentence where the writer sounds amazed that CPU's can have 8 cores. And here we are now looking at 64 core CPU's now. It just made me realize how far we've come in such a short amount of time. You can tell this book was initially written around 2013/2014. We've literally squared the number of cores in 5 years.

Probably around 2004-2006 this was made. Maybe earlier. 

[Jon Jon]

Maybe even a little later.

 

Multi-core CPUs really weren't a thing until The Athlon64 X2s and Opterons got it.

 

I would say this must have been dated around 2009-2010.

 

This is when quad-core CPUs did start becoming more main stream (I remember I built my 2010 Phenom II X4 965 based rig back in 2010 and that was considered an awesome build) and Opterons started getting eight core variants.

 

That book is severely out of date for sure, mostly because A LOT has changed.

 

Really, I imagine any modern Comptia book is heavy Windows 10 / Windows Server 2012+ / Office 365 focused.