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Looking for some thoughts on a new build I'm going to be working on at some point in the very near future. Haven't built anything from scratch for about 6 year now, which of course is practically a lifetime in terms of anything tech. Been watching some of Linus's videos on youtube and familiar with the forum, so figured I'm get myself joined and see what feedback I can get.

 

So first of all my aim

 

I will be using the build for general use, but also for development using visual studio, SQL Server etc. I can often have a few instances of each of these running, so I want a fairly quick build (that and the fact Im impatient by nature so don't like to wait for things to happen lol). I'm not really a gamer, but when I occasionally do play games it will tend to be things like Civ5, Warhammer and the likes. So while I do want it to be able to play games, I don't need the god of all, get a mortgage, graphics cards. 

Visually, Im not really bother too much by being able to see inside the case. Don't want something that looks like its been dragged out of the 90s, but then in the same respect shiny light up aesthetics that look like they belong on the enterprise are not too high up on the agenda either. One thing however that is important to me is that it is as quiet as it can be, without compromising too much its capability.

 

So here is the thoughts so far

 

  • Case - Corsair Carbide 600Q  
  • Processor - Intel core I7 8700K
  • CPU Cooler - Corsair H30
  • Motherboard - Asus Prime Z370 A II Coffee Lake ATX 
  • Memory - 2 x 16GB Corsair vengeance Black LPX DDR4
  • HDD - 512gb Samsung Evo 970 + 1tb WD black edition
  • Graphics - MSI NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti GAMING X 4G 4 GB GDDR5
  • PSU - Corsair HX Series HX750 750W

 

Case is the one thing I'm not sure on, as it seems to be one which is hard to get comparisons on when looking at "silent" cases.

 

Any feedback much appreciated

 

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Trying to keep under £1400 if I can, and want to stick to the intel side.

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17 minutes ago, Pho3nix said:

very near future

Here's your challenge:

 

Some parts have a very short life span of production, and might go poof! inside of ~4 to ~6 months. Depends on how far along they have been already in their lifecycle.

 

So...how soon is "very near future"?

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6 minutes ago, Pho3nix said:

Trying to keep under £1400 if I can, and want to stick to the intel side.

sure? treadripper would give you one heck of a value...

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51 days LOL. And yeah, I know how ridiculously accurate that sounds lol

Just now, Radium_Angel said:

So...how soon is "very near future"?

 

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Just now, LukeSavenije said:

sure? treadripper would give you one heck of a value...

100%. Been back and forth between AMD and Intel for years previously, and each time I have, I've regretted the AMD. Therefore determined Im not making that mistake again. 

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Unless you really want to overclock, don't bother with an unlocked cpu. The i7-8700 clocks are within 100 MHz of a stock i7-8700K so performance is quite similar.

 

Intel has announced new Coffee Lake refresh cpu. Not sure when they will actually make an appearance. The i7-9700 looks interesting. No idea if it will bench better than an i7-8700.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£322.50 @ Aria PC) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Universal 65 CFM CPU Cooler  (£48.94 @ CCL Computers) 
Motherboard: ASRock - H370 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£96.78 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£227.58 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£226.39 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4 GB SSC GAMING ACX 3.0 Video Card  (£187.20 @ SmartTeck.co.uk) 
Case: Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case  (£78.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£77.93 @ Ebuyer) 
Total: £1266.31
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-08 21:49 GMT+0000

80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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3 minutes ago, brob said:

Unless you really want to overclock, don't bother with an unlocked cpu. The i7-8700 clocks are within 100 MHz of a stock i7-8700K so performance is quite similar.

 

Intel has announced new Coffee Lake refresh cpu. Not sure when they will actually make an appearance. The i7-9700 looks interesting. No idea if it will bench better than an i7-8700.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£322.50 @ Aria PC) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Universal 65 CFM CPU Cooler  (£48.94 @ CCL Computers) 
Motherboard: ASRock - H370 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£96.78 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£227.58 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£226.39 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4 GB SSC GAMING ACX 3.0 Video Card  (£187.20 @ SmartTeck.co.uk) 
Case: Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case  (£78.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£77.93 @ Ebuyer) 
Total: £1266.31
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-08 21:49 GMT+0000

Will take a look through some of those parts. Thanks for taking the time to do that. Very much appreciated :) 

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor £322.50 @ Aria PC
CPU Cooler ARCTIC - Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/White) CPU Cooler £29.99 @ AWD-IT
Motherboard Gigabyte - Z390 UD ATX LGA1151 Motherboard £112.38 @ Aria PC
Memory G.Skill - Sniper X 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory £274.57 @ Amazon UK
Storage Crucial - MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive £123.19 @ Box Limited
Video Card Sapphire - Radeon RX 580 4 GB NITRO+ Video Card £196.40 @ Alza
Case be quiet! - SILENT BASE 601 | WINDOW BLACK ATX Mid Tower Case £103.99 @ Aria PC
Power Supply BitFenix - Whisper M 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply £88.85 @ SmartTeck.co.uk
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total £1251.87
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-08 21:56 GMT+0000  
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Threadripper 1920X 3.5 GHz 12-Core Processor £326.98 @ Laptops Direct
CPU Cooler ARCTIC - Freezer 33 TR (Black/White) CPU Cooler £37.30 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard Asus - PRIME X399-A EATX TR4 Motherboard £291.32 @ Aria PC
Memory G.Skill - Sniper X 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory £274.57 @ Amazon UK
Storage Crucial - MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive £123.19 @ Box Limited
Video Card Sapphire - Radeon RX 580 4 GB NITRO+ Video Card £196.40 @ Alza
Case be quiet! - SILENT BASE 601 | WINDOW BLACK ATX Mid Tower Case £103.99 @ Aria PC
Power Supply Corsair - RMx 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply £92.99 @ AWD-IT
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total £1446.74
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-08 21:58 GMT+0000  

to give you a suggestion and a idea

 

amd has changed a lot since the fx cpus, ryzen has been incredible so far

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8 minutes ago, Pho3nix said:

100%. Been back and forth between AMD and Intel for years previously, and each time I have, I've regretted the AMD. Therefore determined Im not making that mistake again. 

Ryzen/Threadripper actually performs really well in tasks like programming and other multi-core tasks, and I do agree AMD before Ryzen/Threadripper was pretty shit.

You can get a Threadripper 1920X which will perform much better than the i7-8700 (infact, 80% better in multi-core and about the same in single-core), and it has 12 cores.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Threadripper 1920X 3.5 GHz 12-Core Processor  (£326.98 @ Laptops Direct) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.69 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (£109.09 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X399 AORUS PRO ATX TR4 Motherboard  (£291.36 @ Ebuyer) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£119.98 @ Laptops Direct) 
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£69.19 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£54.97 @ CCL Computers) 
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 580 4 GB NITRO+ Video Card  (£210.79 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case  (£111.40 @ Alza) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£93.99 @ Box Limited) 
Total: £1387.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-08 22:02 GMT+0000

 

 

Ryzen 7 3700X / 16GB RAM / Optane SSD / GTX 1650 / Solus Linux

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Most programming tasks are not highly multithreaded. 

80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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24 minutes ago, brob said:

Most programming tasks are not highly multithreaded. 

not even when you have multiple instances open?

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anything that use CUDA or any Nvidia only standard?

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Most programming tasks indeed are not multicore, and to be honest for the most part any multicore work that I do it would mainly be in order to speed up the processing of something like an EDI task to process more than one item at a time, and would work to whatever limits the operating system imposed on it. In short, whether using 6 or 12 cores, I would likely max it out intentionally in that kind of scenario based on the programming work I generally undertake.

 

That said though, I will certainly have a look into the above. Likelyhood is, I will still stick with the i7 if Im honest, but no harm in taking a look. Its the reason why I have set myself a date to purchase and not purchasing before that point. I've been impulsive previously, and I just end up switching things and spending a fortune due to not being diligent in the first place.

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11 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

not even when you have multiple instances open?

Not really. For the most part programming is highly interactive which essentially limits activity to the speed of the user. Compiling, linking, assembly type tasks are, with a few exceptions single threaded. So even running a large build is not going to benefit from more cores. Performance is more affected by IPC and clock speeds.

80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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3 hours ago, brob said:

Not really. For the most part programming is highly interactive which essentially limits activity to the speed of the user. Compiling, linking, assembly type tasks are, with a few exceptions single threaded. So even running a large build is not going to benefit from more cores. Performance is more affected by IPC and clock speeds.

In that case, I'd just get something like a 1900X as a placeholder and wait until Zen 2.

Ryzen 7 3700X / 16GB RAM / Optane SSD / GTX 1650 / Solus Linux

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Cheers for the help guys. This is what I have gone for in the end. Can still see me ending up with a different case at some point, on account of being a child when it comes to keep changing things LOL. This will do me for a good starting point back with a PC

 

Case: be quiet! - Silent Base 601
PSU: Seasonix Focus plus 80+ gold 550w modular
MBoard: ASRock H370 pro4 ATX
Proc:- I7 8700K
Cooler: Arctic Freezer 33 eSports One
Memory: 32GB Corsair Vengence LPX DDR4
Drive: 1tb Samsung 970 Evo M.2
Graphics: MSI Geforce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Gaming X

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The i7-8700K is an unlocked cpu. It is better paired with a z370 or z390 motherboard. The H370 Pro motherboard would be better paired with an i7-8700.

80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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13 hours ago, brob said:

The i7-8700K is an unlocked cpu. It is better paired with a z370 or z390 motherboard. The H370 Pro motherboard would be better paired with an i7-8700.

Already purchased now. Should be here today :D LOL

 

I got that one as it outperforms the 8700. Not by much, granted. Overclocking isn't something I will be doing. It will be going in with the stock settings and staying at that. Never really had an interest in overclocking, and would probably just purchase another processor before deciding to do so. In all honesty, for what I do on the machine, its overkill in the first place, but I don't like waiting for things LOL. I'm primarily using it for development in visual studio.

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Thanks for you help guys. Now time for me to catch up on 6 years of being behind on PC hardware, and a LOT of cable tidying around my desk LOL

 

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